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Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by thoth: 12:33pm On Nov 18, 2014 |
anonimi: You are quite wrong in your assumption though i would blame you for being short sighted, Yorubas also have words for TV,Radio, Train and airplanes despite not having these prior to their introduction by the Europeans, igbos even have a word for earthquake despite such phenomena being impossible to occur in Africa. What the OP was trying to infer was that Slavery as we come to know it is not an African concept and by that it is wholly a European concept. From the same line of thought it would be absurd to assume that Africans would have a word for something which they've never encountered. Common sense is all you need to see the truth in OP's proposition, we never had slavery if the Afro-European atrocities is to be defined as such, since such barbarism does not exist in Africa prior to the European encounter you cannot put what Africans practice (call it anything you like but not slavery) under the same classification. It becomes laughable even downright insolent to force the narrations of the perpetrator on the victims of such atrocity, if it does nothing it removes the burden of guilt or in this case spreads it further away from the oppressor,in this unpeculiar situation whereby the oppressor and the Victor are one and the same it is naturally expected since he holds the first say to blame the victims for his atrocities, in the African case where the atrocities committed by the European is enormous and therefore undeniable all he could do therefore was to share the blame with his victims. At first they tried to put the blame on the victims by saying that they civilized Africa, that Africa was savagely before they came, such narrative seems not to hold with enlightened Africans though in wholly colonized country like Nigeria such is still believed. then they stated that they brought Christianity and education as if Africans have no religion or a form of education before them. the idea of Africans selling slaves is another punch in our collective consciousness of our African identity and if not for wholly colonized and Christianized nations all over Africa such arguments would not have existed. Anyone who accepts the European Narrative of their African sojourn is either an I.diot or a very Evil fellow not worthy of company. 2 Likes |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by macof(m): 4:13pm On Nov 18, 2014 |
letu: Well I don't know much about that, I never liked Arabs Anyway I was jst trying to get those supporting the Op eg. Rosikke to see that oral history and books tell of Africans keeping slaves even before Europeans came to Africa |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by macof(m): 4:26pm On Nov 18, 2014 |
GenBuhari:Sure, when u accept a foreign religion you have put their culture as superior to urs Only slaves dump their ancestral worship system for a strange foreign one 2 Likes |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 7:03pm On Nov 18, 2014 |
macof:Even worse is when you drop your meaningful, historical African name and in exchange take a vain name of a foreign culture. But a correction about worship. They did not bring a new God, for Christianity. They just introduced a new way of worship. You would note the name of the supreme/Creator God acknowledged by Africans remained the same in all tribes. I once attended an ancestral worship religion? Creepy, esp when they start addressing the dead directly. 1 Like |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by letu(m): 8:59pm On Nov 18, 2014 |
GenBuhari: |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 12:26am On Nov 19, 2014 |
I did at one point give a definition of slavery as being a slavery system that has been written into the law of the land. Europeans had written slavery into their law but no evidence has been found that Africans had written slavery into their law prior to the advent of Europeans. thoth: |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by macof(m): 12:33am On Nov 19, 2014 |
muafrika: And wats wrong with addressing the dead? Many movements are underway on the possibility of using modern technology to communicate with the dead |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 12:41am On Nov 19, 2014 |
It does not necessarily follow that the adoption of religion is always due to being conquered and enslaved. There may be other reasons. I can speculate that perhaps all it requires is for a very influential African leader to convert to Islam and spread his influence. macof: |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by macof(m): 8:54am On Nov 19, 2014 |
GenBuhari:I never said adopting foreign religion is due to enslavement..whether physically enslaved or not it's a sign of mental slavery to adopt a foreign religion that has nothing to do with ur race or ethnicity, it's totally wrong..u have jst placed ur culture as inferior 1 Like |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by thoth: 10:03am On Nov 19, 2014 |
GenBuhari: Househelps of various degree is accepted in the Nigerian law but slavery is not , to my understanding both class are human beings whom in one form or another bound and obligated to serve another supposedly equal(in rights) human being. If the Nigerian constitution is to make such distinction between forms of the same class and it will be altogether right if you were to define slavery with its characteristics and what it means to be a slave, from that platform will anyone who choose to oppose you make his arguments. |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 11:22am On Nov 19, 2014 |
Why would we not place our culture as inferior after hundreds of years of colonialism. macof: |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by macof(m): 4:07pm On Nov 19, 2014 |
GenBuhari: Actually before colonialism, Africans have accepted Islam and christianity in large numbers, killing themselves over different religions and betraying their people, colonialism was jst icing on the already prepared cake |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 5:16pm On Nov 19, 2014 |
macof:My cultural background is deep in the relations between the living and the dead, and am glad the culture is gradually fainting because it can get oppressive, especialy for people who treasure their peace of mind. If we are going to discard foreign things, lets not pin point just religion, which (Christian) is not even originally European as we are neck deep in a very unAfrican worldwide political, social and economic system. |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by thoth: 5:36pm On Nov 19, 2014 |
macof: which part of Africa accepted Christianity before colonization ? |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by macof(m): 10:09pm On Nov 19, 2014 |
thoth: Southern Nigeria...particularly Niger delta region and Igbos Bini kingdom already had hundreds of Christians before colonialism, Infact one major factor to the empire's fall was disloyalty to the Oba and disunity among the Edos in Bini caused by their new found differences |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by macof(m): 10:18pm On Nov 19, 2014 |
muafrika: religion is the major factor here, it's the greatest hindrance to a super Africa devoid of European and middle eastern sire It's gone so far that Africans now bring up crazy and obviously false ancestral links with Arabs and Hebrews Christianity might nt be originally European but it's no Judaism, that line between the two was created by Romans 2 Likes |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 12:16am On Nov 20, 2014 |
Are you sure you are African? What of person argues so strongly to discredit their own ancestors? macof: |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 12:30am On Nov 20, 2014 |
macof: Igbos? Hmmm... I knew Christianity had made some impact in Egbaland (largely due to returnees from Sierra Leone) before colonization of that part of Africa. Igboland though. This is new and strange to me. Anyway, better examples of parts of Africa that were fully or partly Christian before the colonial era would have been Ethiopia, the Kingdom of Kongo, the kingdoms of Benin and Itsekiri, etc (although Christianity had basically died out in the last three places before colonization in the late 19th century). 1 Like |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by thoth: 6:29am On Nov 20, 2014 |
macof: What Niger Delta had was people who could speak pidgin English due to earlier contact with the white man and not really converts, they killed a couple of missionaries and the colonial masters retaliated by destroying many villages and imprisonment of many elders, after that they decided to become non conformists by just ignoring the missionaries , the colonial masters replied by forced education whereby children and some adults were forcefully taken to school to learn the Cathcheism and parents who objected were imprisoned. Niger Delta before colonialism was heavily saturated with many Deities associated with Water and those play a very crucial role on how they interprete their society. The Bini Kingdom was one which even during colonialism had very little to do with Christianity and that reflects in their lives to this day, the distrust and insurrections that weakened the Bini empire has nothing to do with Christianity but actually has more to with many sovereign kingdoms whom were dominated,taxed and ordered about by the Bini Kingdom, remember till the Brits came Igboland has fought a really long war with the Binis and eventually settled on a tax to be paid to the Oba to avoid further wars, Olauda Equiano also mentioned that in his book. What happened was that to weaken the Bini Empire the Brits encouraged those kingdoms to disregard the Oba, stop paying taxes and confront the Binis based on promise of protection from the British Empire. |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 5:26pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
thoth:Egypt(orthodox), Ethiopia, (The portugees were already in East and South Africa by 1450s), though for trade reasons, they could have converted a few natives. They had a bad rep with the locals though, esp in the East coast. Actually, the late 19th Century colonialists sent missioneries(I think they were spies) first who then wrote back and "advised" their govts to colonize the lands they visited in the guise of security, stopping slave trade, etc. (This continent was subdued by the power of the pen.) The flag followed the cross. Then Companies like the British East Indian Company followed and tricked Kings and leaders to transfer their lands to the UK crown unknowingly. The nail on the coffin was the colonial govts conversion, by law, of all lands into property of their Kingdoms. The pen was a colonial weapon against Africa. This is an era of the pen. The one who rules on paper dominates. |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by thoth: 8:23pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
muafrika: Yeah i knew about Ethiopia and Egypt but i really doubt that with the style the Europeans entered Black Africa that black Africans will just convert without serious incentives. Anyway the majority has to forced. |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by gatiano(m): 9:08pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
The europeans told the devil a lie, and the devil got so sad, he wasn't the best liar afterall. the europeans had turned devil into what he is not, and the devil could not dispute it because it turned out that they made his character so holy and pure that the devil was overwelmed. the devil ask them who are you gracious people? They answered, we are actually not gracious, we lied, lie is what we do, it is our daily endevour, we are satan, we have nothing but a time period to live, so we intend to spoil everything lieing. they said, so we got a righteous man named Jesus, and few others before him and after him, we and put our faces right on their characters, it is the most effective weapon against the black and the darker people. The devil was like woooow! "Europeans can lie" exclaimed the devil, the europeans replied, they said what? we are you devil, and you are us. ever since the devil has been looking for an escape route. 1 Like |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by macof(m): 9:55pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
thoth:killed a couple of missionaries And the European nations from where the missions came did nothing? This is very unlikely as the raid of Bini by the British in 1897 was due to the killing of some British men You should know the pope sent various messages to Different Obas at Bini, if christianity wasn't strong why would the pope send messages to the King? |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by macof(m): 9:57pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
Radoillo: Bini did give in to Christian missionaries even long before colonization, I remember reading Oba Eseige sending the high priest of Olokun to Europe on a mission to bring active Christian evangelism to Bini one might suspect all that was a ploy by the Oba to gain the Portuguese trust, after they had rejected to form agreements with a pagan nation but point is Edos were already converting to a foreign religion out of the desperate need and blackmail of the Europeans I won't comment on igboland, u are Igbo afterall. |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by thoth: 10:11pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
macof:i stated that they retaliated. Remember there was this competition between the Roman Catholic church and the Anglican Church. The Anglicans being favored by England as it is the state religion and the Catholics trying to make headway anyhow possible, so if certain bribes and beautiful messages exchanged hands then i will just take it as business. Mind you in almost all these kingdoms the Rulers represents the fulcrum between the people and their religious belief, so to say that a few converted can be accepted but saying that the Oba himself converted is something else. Just the kind of JuJu the present Oba with his Christian first name and many years after colonialism invokes will tell that after long period of dilution the Juju is still strong, now imagine the Obas of those times. |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by kingston277(m): 2:47am On Nov 21, 2014 |
GenBuhari:For the first couple of decades the Europeans first arrived. GenBuhari:Defiantly, but most are too lazy to question why their history is being taught to them by malevolent foreigners. GenBuhari:Oh, we were sold alright, the important question is why? GenBuhari:True but it wasn't relevant to Africans themselves at the time, Europeans never referred to them as slave to their face. GenBuhari:As I said, they first started out doing that, but got their a.sses handed to them by the African naval forces, so they had to turn to establishing trading posts. GenBuhari:It has been confirmed from both parties that slaves were sold. The real fraud is the alleged reason why they sold so many slaves. We know slaves were traded for guns, mirrors and booze, but are those really the real incentive they traded slaves or is that just anti-African propaganda. Note that there hasn't been a single quote or expression of opinion from the African people themselves during the time about the issue. GenBuhari:Second this. But the sale of slaves needs to be acknowledged aswell, and looked into further. |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 10:54am On Nov 21, 2014 |
thoth:I would say it was, subtly by combining school, and other social amenities like dispensary with church. To get into one, one needed to be "baptised" and, of course, adopt a European name. We still have those European first names, though I do not see it very often in W. Africa. All this gained more after the establishment of their govts and introduction of a tax system using European currency, forcing increase of demand for their money, qualified by cultural uptake which was woven around religion. Christianity in its purest form can adopt to ANY culture. It was just unfortunate that these and other invaders manipulated it into a cultura - politico weapon. Its human nature to corrupt even the best of ideals for their selfish purpose. |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Sheenor: 10:16am On Nov 22, 2014 |
#FACT |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Horus(m): 8:06pm On Nov 22, 2014 |
Africans must rebel against the lies and ignorance created by the European which keep the minds of African people imprisoned and their spiritual strength weak. To make it plainer, the only rebellion the African masses can win at this time is a mental revolution, which will put the African masses in mental power. Then they will have the power to do anything else that may be necessary for complete liberation and well being. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by kingston277(m): 10:25pm On Nov 22, 2014 |
HumbledbYGrace:There is no evidence anywhere that any African society sold their own kinsmen, only neigbours they went to war with each other. |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by Nobody: 10:28pm On Nov 22, 2014 |
Bwahaha... My ribs hurt for laughing out loud! What do you expect of it? When Africans aren't educated and intelligent enough to tell their true histories yet want to blame the white people for doing them some service my telling them at all. Please.... |
Re: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by kingston277(m): 10:49pm On Nov 22, 2014 |
Radoillo:There was a large internal slave system going on, they even enslaved some Arabs and even Europeans in the 11th century as well as other Africans. It was this large, well established system that Europeans joined in on an gradually took control of over time. |
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