anonimi:


I normally don't abuse people but every now & then as with all rules you make an exception.

You are such a demented fool swimming in your pool of ignorance.
We yorubas have the word, eru that means slave.
That word is different from omo odo i.e. house help.

letu:
macof do you even know that Arabs of pre-Islam era, their history and origin are highly rooted in the Kushit/Hamatic civilization eg east africa.

GenBuhari:
Does the fact that some Africans adopted Islam automatically mean that Arabs conquered Africa? I think not. If adoption of religion is proof that a nation is conquered then why did India and Arabs countries that were ruled by Britain not adopt Christianity?

Stop letting these European Devils write our history for us.

And whenever there is anything in our ancient history that is positive, then they would ascribe that to Arabs or to themselves rather than giving our ancestors the credit.

You just make sweeping unsubstantiated statements backed by no evidence other than the facts that some parts of Africa practise Islam.

macof:

Sure, when u accept a foreign religion you have put their culture as superior to urs

Only slaves dump their ancestral worship system for a strange foreign one

GenBuhari:
But where is the evidence?

thoth:


Exactly, i was trying to get OP to define slavery so that his arguments might stand out. i think he fell into the trap of linguistical distortion. Will he just make a clear definition of slavery and pull references on its nature as was witnessed by Africans in the hands of Europeans, it would be almost impossible for any sane human to link Black Africa with slavery.
His refusal to do so gave room to the filth that some European apologist posted above.

muafrika:
Even worse is when you drop your meaningful, historical African name and in exchange take a vain name of a foreign culture.

But a correction about worship. They did not bring a new God, for Christianity. They just introduced a new way of worship. You would note the name of the supreme/Creator God acknowledged by Africans remained the same in all tribes.

I once attended an ancestral worship religion? Creepy, esp when they start addressing the dead directly.

macof:

Sure, when u accept a foreign religion you have put their culture as superior to urs

Only slaves dump their ancestral worship system for a strange foreign one

GenBuhari:
It does not necessarily follow that the adoption of religion is always due to being conquered and enslaved.
There may be other reasons. I can speculate that perhaps all it requires is for a very influential African leader to convert to Islam and spread his influence.

GenBuhari:
I did at one point give a definition of slavery as being a slavery system that has been written into the law of the land. Europeans had written slavery into their law but no evidence has been found that Africans had written slavery into their law prior to the advent of Europeans.

macof:

I never said adopting foreign religion is due to enslavement..whether physically enslaved or not it's a sign of mental slavery to adopt a foreign religion that has nothing to do with ur race or ethnicity, it's totally wrong..u have jst placed ur culture as inferior

GenBuhari:
Why would we not place our culture as inferior after hundreds of years of colonialism.

macof:


And wats wrong with addressing the dead? Many movements are underway on the possibility of using modern technology to communicate with the dead

macof:


Actually before colonialism, Africans have accepted Islam and christianity in large numbers, killing themselves over different religions and betraying their people, colonialism was jst icing on the already prepared cake

thoth:


which part of Africa accepted Christianity before colonization ?

muafrika:
My cultural background is deep in the relations between the living and the dead, and am glad the culture is gradually fainting because it can get oppressive, especialy for people who treasure their peace of mind.

If we are going to discard foreign things, lets not pin point just religion, which (Christian) is not even originally European as we are neck deep in a very unAfrican worldwide political, social and economic system.

macof:


Actually before colonialism, Africans have accepted Islam and christianity in large numbers, killing themselves over different religions and betraying their people, colonialism was jst icing on the already prepared cake

macof:


Southern Nigeria...particularly Niger delta region and Igbos
Bini kingdom already had hundreds of Christians before colonialism, Infact one major factor to the empire's fall was disloyalty to the Oba and disunity among the Edos in Bini caused by their new found differences

macof:


Southern Nigeria...particularly Niger delta region and Igbos
Bini kingdom already had hundreds of Christians before colonialism, Infact one major factor to the empire's fall was disloyalty to the Oba and disunity among the Edos in Bini caused by their new found differences

thoth:


which part of Africa accepted Christianity before colonization ?

muafrika:
Egypt(orthodox), Ethiopia, (The portugees were already in East and South Africa by 1450s), though for trade reasons, they could have converted a few natives. They had a bad rep with the locals though, esp in ………….

thoth:


What Niger Delta had was people who could speak pidgin English due to earlier contact with the white man and not really converts, they killed a couple of missionaries and the colonial masters retaliated by destroying many villages and imprisonment of many elders, after that they decided to become non conformists by just ignoring the missionaries , the colonial masters replied by forced education whereby children and some adults were forcefully taken to school to learn the Cathcheism and parents who objected were imprisoned.

Niger Delta before colonialism was heavily saturated with many Deities associated with Water and those play a very crucial role on how they interprete their society.

The Bini Kingdom was one which even during colonialism had very little to do with Christianity and that reflects in their lives to this day, the distrust and insurrections that weakened the Bini empire has nothing to do with Christianity but actually has more to with many sovereign kingdoms whom were dominated,taxed and ordered about by the Bini Kingdom, remember till the Brits came Igboland has fought a really long war with the Binis and eventually settled on a tax to be paid to the Oba to avoid further wars, Olauda Equiano also mentioned that in his book. What happened was that to weaken the Bini Empire the Brits encouraged those kingdoms to disregard the Oba, stop paying taxes and confront the Binis based on promise of protection from the British Empire.

Radoillo:


Igbos? Hmmm...

I knew Christianity had made some impact in Egbaland (largely due to returnees from Sierra Leone) before colonization of that part of Africa.

Igboland though. This is new and strange to me.

Anyway, better examples of parts of Africa that were fully or partly Christian before the colonial era would have been Ethiopia, the Kingdom of Kongo, the kingdoms of Benin and Itsekiri, etc (although Christianity had basically died out in the last three places before colonization in the late 19th century).

macof:

killed a couple of missionaries And the European nations from where the missions came did nothing?
This is very unlikely as the raid of Bini by the British in 1897 was due to the killing of some British men

You should know the pope sent various messages to Different Obas at Bini, if christianity wasn't strong why would the pope send messages to the King?

GenBuhari:
Africans never traded slaves all slaves were kidnapped by the white man at gunpoint.

GenBuhari:

People should start analysing the history they are given about Africa, was the history not given to us my the white man that colonised us.

GenBuhari:

Our people who are descendants of those stolen from Africa, must stop believing they were sold.

GenBuhari:

During colonial days all Africans were considered slaves by the white man not just those shipped abroad. Why a slave master would buy slaves from their own slaves.

GenBuhari:

Why would the white man buy something that he could just simply take by force?

GenBuhari:

A simple bit of questioning and deeper thinking and analysis would soon lead one to conclude that the lie that Africans traded slaves is just not credible, especially when you remember that it is the white man's history that Africans at home and abroad were taught.

GenBuhari:

Africans were victims of genocide we never considered ourselves as slaves. We never agreed to be slaves so we reject the label of Slave. We are victims of genocide and those who called us slaves better stop using that term to describe us. It is derogatory and painful to hear. Let them stop reminding us of the genocide the committed unless it is to apologise or pay reparations.

Why do they not refer to the english being slaves of the Roman's or the jews being slaves of the nazi's .Well white man must stop wounding Africans by gloating at the genocide you committed, by constantly mentioning a genocide that you are refuse to apologise for.

Call me slave and I would call you slave back - Nonsense!!

update: 15th November 2014
If you do not hear from me in the next few weeks it probably because NL has banned me because I cannot stop saying that Ebola and HIV are hoax designed to ultimately lead us into fearfully rushing to take vaccines that would depopulate us. If the vaccines do not kill you directly it would make you infertile preventing you from reproducing.

Be rest assured that all the doctors and nurses reportedly killed by Ebola in Nigeria are paid actors who are laying low and enjoying their money as we speak.

These are the evil European and American enemies that we are allowing to write a shameful and dishonourable history for us.

thoth:


Yeah i knew about Ethiopia and Egypt but i really doubt that with the style the Europeans entered Black Africa that black Africans will just convert without serious incentives. Anyway the majority has to forced.

HumbledbYGrace:
^ ^ ^ ^

Thanks

Op I think you need to read, do a lot of reading or atleast visit your villages Maybe you can find some information there?

And we still have history repeating itself! Are you a nigerian? How many people sell their children into slavery abroad for money Everyday

The rituals

Slavery didn't come with white men please.

Shakazulu often made slaves the hostage he seized from wars and most of them were his kinsmen unless I am wrong somewhere?

See black people are not stupid. I still repeat, we tell our own stories, white men came with an easy way of sharing it that's all.

Radoillo:


OK. This part is clear. But why would you think Africans had to already have an existing internal slavery (and I believe they did have an internal slavery system, albeit small - but let's agree they didn't) before they could be driven by gain to capture and sell slaves to Europeans?