The list seems prepared with the motive to target ordinary Muslim professional, using various illegal clandestine networks funded by the Country’s unaccountable oil billions
Mohammad Pervez Bilgrami
A list containing the names of 85 “terrorist” organizations was issued recently in the name of United Arab Emirates President His Highness Sheikh Khalifa Bin Zayed Al Nahyan.
The UAE “terror” list included major violent-militant groups such as Al Qaeda, Boko Haram and ISIL as well as political and civil liberty movements, including the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). In the UAE’s weird wisdom, humanitarian organizations like Islamic Relief Worldwide and one of the highly-respected bodies of the Islamic world, the International Union of Muslim Scholars (IUMS) headed by prominent scholar Sheikh Yusuf Al Qardawi, are also “terrorists.”
One is really forced to question the intellectual level of decisions makers in the UAE, where foreigners constitute more 90 percent of the population. Has the uncontrolled consumerism practiced by the UAE powers that be destroyed their capacity to think rationally?
The terror list also had the names of many European and American Muslim organizations known for their social and charitable work and interfaith dialogue programs such as the Muslim Association of Britain (MAB) and The Cordoba Foundation (TCF).
It is important to understand the tribal mindset in the UAE, their notions of honor, their medieval control-freak nature and their obsessions. Disconnected from the people, the powers that be also suffer from abnormal fears, which drive them to act in the manner they have done in preparing the “terror” list.
The UAE leadership looks bent on antagonizing everyone and wants to pull more and more people in their petty fights with individuals, groups and nations. It is important for other governments to frankly tell the UAE officials to buzz off when they get too ridiculous. The “terror” list is certain to be used by the authorities to gather more information on people they do not like and this could put at risk the lives of people involved in normal political, social and humanitarian work.
The list seems prepared with the motive to target ordinary Muslim professional, using various illegal clandestine networks funded by the Country’s unaccountable oil billions. The UAE will claim that the people related to the organizations are terrorists. As the Gulf country lacks political institutions and an independent judicial system, you cannot expect justice there.
The amateurish Gulf rulers, who seem to have some natural animosity towards knowledge and learning (the tendencies that existed in the region more than 1,400 years ago), are openly threatening scholars, professionals and social activists by calling them terrorists.
This must not be accepted at any level and the UAE leaders should be told clearly to change their anachronistic thinking. If there are people silly enough to listen to these unreasonable demand, they should also be exposed. In fact, the UAE, its officials and entities must be boycotted and taken to court for their whimsical acts that harm others.
In a very amusing case, the name of Finnish Islamic Congregation of Tatar Muslims - The Finnish Islamic Association (Suomen Islam-Seurakunta) was established in 1925 and believed to be the first Muslim association officially recognized by a European state - is on the list. The UAE authorities did not spare the organisation established five decades before the inception of the Emirati federation. The UAE’s founding president Sheikh Zayed Bin Sultan would have been aghast at what his sons are doing to the country.
Then the list has the name of Union of Islamic Organisations of France (L'Union des Organisations Islamiques de France, UOIF), the French chapter of the Federation of Islamic Organizations in Europe, one of the most prominent Muslim organizations in France that manages around 250 mosques . . .

The question here emerges as to why the UAE authorities included the names of some of the most respected Muslim charities and organizations in the list of groups suspected of having “terrorist” links. The list shows the post-Arab Spring mindset of the antediluvian despots. Like other Arab monarchies, the UAE is fearful of Arab freedom waves reaching its shores and the sand castles. But in the UAE’s case, it won’t be an Arab Spring in real sense as its population is heavily non-Arab and citizens have either been marginalized through repressive measures or bribed into silence.
The frightened Gulf monarchies with their myopic visions are digging their own graves by issuing bizarre decrees. This terror listing is a product of delirious minds that are unable to comprehend the real meaning of “terrorism”. At this point, the despotic UAE and other Arab monarchies led by Saudi Arabia are not interested in listening and talking. Their approach to every issue is: my way or the highway. It’s time to call their bluff.
Either those who prepared the list are hopelessly naive or the list was prepared somewhere else - for example, the Zionist workforce of the notorious US Deep State - and then sent to obtain the signature of His Highness. Either way, the intents of panicky Gulf despots are clear.
The UAE list followed the Saudi Arabian list of “terrorist” organizations published in July this year. Apart from inconsistencies and an unprofessional approach in preparing the list, the list reflects a kind of mule behavior of the effete regimes, which get offended by any mention of democracy, dignity, equality and free will.
What the Arab despots want is a worldwide licence to harass, torture, jail or murder their opponents. It’s time for others to respond to them by demanding that they learn the rules of civilized behavior. Saudi Arabia should give up its ambition of trying to convert every Muslim to its tribalistic, extremist and disorderly religious practices. Riyadh often uses Hajj visas as a tool to put pressure on fellow Muslim countries, now the UAE is getting in the habit of using its business infrastructure for similar objectives. Developing more business hubs around the UAE and exposing Saudi deceptive tactics will bring some sense to these two. Sadly, the UAE-Saudi political opportunism is an age-old problem.
It is extremely worrying that the US and other Western powers openly back authoritarian wastrels for the sake of their narrow regional interests. Modern-day imperial powers have created a two-tiered paradoxical system: a small number of victims of Western-backed despots get refuge and working freedom in the US and EU even as the false champions of freedom and democracy sturdily aid and abet repressive regimes in the Middle East and elsewhere.
Members of political and social movements like the Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt and Ennahda of Tunisia have long been working in Western countries. Now Britain is conducting an inquiry against Muslim Brotherhood under pressure from the Saudi monarchy (big buyer of British weapons), and other self-styled freedom talkers of Europe are being encouraged to harass Muslims for questioning the legitimacy of Arab despots.
Let’s see what kind of future chaos would follow in the region as a result of this madness.
http://www.worldbulletin.net/haber/149049/uae-terror-list-ridiculous-despotism-gets-more-comical

Salaam!

Is it Muslim Brotherhood(MB) you defend as a non-terror organization? See, vedaxcool, if i begin to recount some terrors that has been perpetrated by the MB from her inception till date, from radicalizing Muslims, oppressing Copts to assassinating critics/apostates; you may begin considering deleting this thread.

usermane:
Salaam!

Is it Muslim Brotherhood(MB) you defend as a non-terror organization? See, vedaxcool, if i begin to recount some terrors that has been perpetrated by the MB from her inception till date, from radicalizing Muslims, oppressing Copts to assassinating critics/apostates; you may begin considering deleting this thread.

Yes you would be able to prove the mb are what you think they are and like UAE u would do so effortlessly, when one is blatantly dishonest, denies reality that all can see like muslims who happen to be kurd as being non muslim, tops that up with wilful ignorance that dances in the realm of islamophobia then yes you would prove to yourself that mb are what u think they are! In your world you retell yourself stories u concocted to fool non save yourself!

Do you want us to believe as those fools believe, nay they are the fools but they perceive it not! Al Qur'an.

The U.A.E terror list was not only inconsistent but also blatantly wrong in some cases. I mean a list that will rank alqeada,boko haram ,ISIL etc in the same category as CAIR,Finnish Islamic Association,IUMS,MAB etc is just not right.Makes one to suspect d motive behind this list. How is d destruction and atrocities committed by the former compatible 2 d charitable, commendable acts of human integration done by d latter.
Honestly that list was a disappointment ,which could incite hatred and suspicion towards the "good"groups
.

jiddama:
The U.A.E terror list was not only inconsistent but also blatantly wrong in some cases. I mean a list that will rank alqeada,boko haram ,ISIL etc in the same category as CAIR,Finnish Islamic Association,IUMS,MAB etc is just not right.Makes one to suspect d motive behind this list. How is d destruction and atrocities committed by the former compatible 2 d charitable, commendable acts of human integration done by d latter.
Honestly that list was a disappointment ,which could incite hatred and suspicion towards the "good"groups
.

Truly a very despotic and sickening move by UAE!

The common denominator is that ALL the terrorist organizations listed are islamic in nature.

UAE? do you even take them serious. Watch this xmas, they will erect the biggest and largest xmas tree in their Burj kilafah.

Empiree:
UAE? do you even take them serious. Watch this xmas, they will erect the biggest and largest xmas tree in their Burj kilafah.

Brother one is not surprised by their actions, it is the ramifications of their silly despotism that is more irritating, by placing many muslims groups in the western world who have continued to face all sort of accusations by elements who do not want muslims to live in the west, they place muslims in a more precarious situation.

As for their christmas tree, these silly despots fear Islam more than the west does, hadn't it not been that they live in an ocean of muslims, these people would have outlaw Islam! They know that islam and monarchy have no linkage, so why foster a religion that have no place for their criminal system?

Boko Haram like many other Islamic organizations terrorizing the world today never started as terror groups. Islamic groups' members are being radicalized and embrassing extremism each passing day.

Assuming the FG envisaged that the peaceful Jama'atu Ahlis Sunna Lidda'awati wal-Jihad would one day become the dreaded Boko Haram unleashing untold terror on the Nigerian populace and enlisted them as a terror group or outrightly banned them, muslims would have cried foulplay.

Ignorance is the foundation of poor thinking.

jiddama:
The U.A.E terror list was not only inconsistent but also blatantly wrong in some cases. I mean a list that will rank alqeada,boko haram ,ISIL etc in the same category as CAIR,Finnish Islamic Association,IUMS,MAB etc is just not right.Makes one to suspect d motive behind this list. How is d destruction and atrocities committed by the former compatible 2 d charitable, commendable acts of human integration done by d latter.
Honestly that list was a disappointment ,which could incite hatred and suspicion towards the "good"groups
.

It's a Muslim country that has it's own terrorist list based on certain criteria - we should objectively research those criteria. Why are Muslims debating and condemning the U.A.E because of that. The US considers Hamas and Hezbollah terrorist organizations yet many Muslims all over the world consider them legitimate resistance movement.

How many CAIR members have been directly linked to the Muslim Brother-hood and actively or passively tunneling funds to numerous terrorist groups?

1. CAIR has numerous lawsuits against it because of several terror related charges
2. CAIR discourages Muslims from talking to FBI
3. Several former CAIR officials have been convicted of various crimes related to jihad terror
4. CAIR "disappointed" that it failed to intimidate UC Berkeley into canceling Bill Maher appearance because Bill said "Islam is the only religion that will assassinate you if you talk about it - Islam is like the mafia"

There are 1001 other reasons but the U.A.E is concerned with the support such organizations have with the Muslim Brotherhood. I suggest we look at the list more objectively. Besides, not all terrorists were born terrorists; they were normal people at some point until they start to kill others in the same of God and especially in the name of our religion

first of all UAE is not a Muslim country, its a country with a predominantly Muslim population but its system of government and policy making is not Islamic.
And to your allegations:
what is terror? how do the Emirates define terror? that 'certain criteria' which they used was it fair and principled or was it bias and unethical? and why wouldn't the list and the criteria be subject to scrutiny especially when it seems to have a fishy agenda?

personally I don't consider the USA as my marker to labelling people and groups. they are neither saints nor do they have a clean history to be jurors.besides their bone of contention as regards to the middle east always arises when they do not see eye to eye in policy making.

so are we now to just brand an organization like CAIR as a terror group just because our instinct and pseudo-psychological tink tanks believe that they are capable of degenerating to terror ?
my answer to above is no.we don't because we judge base on what we see not some some wish washy feeling.
As regards to their members allegations that is an individual action so should be treated as such and appropraite measures should be taken if found "guilty".

And you kept mentioning CAIR as I recall there were over 70 groups for what crime were the other good ones on the list for?

from your post I can see you are a Muslim; my advice:
Rasullullah s.a.w said ;do not think bad of your fellow Muslims unless they do something wrong.

I agree with you on the fact that not all terrorists are born terrorists but we need to take the right steps to ensure they are not being radicalized.and that will be another discussion entirely..........

jiddama

first of all UAE is not a Muslim country, its a country with a predominantly Muslim population but its system of government and policy making is not Islamic.

I will encourage you to do more research on the subject. There is no country that is a "Muslim" country. There are countries that base their laws and way of life using Islamic jurisprudence and Islamic law commonly called Sharia. There are countries which practice Islamic theocracy and implement strict Sharia laws i.e. Saudi Arabia and their likes. There are countries that practice Sharia laws and incorporate civil laws and the U.A.E is one of them but it's a predominantly Islamic country.

And to your allegations:
what is terror? how do the Emirates define terror? that 'certain criteria' which they used was it fair and principled or was it bias and unethical? and why wouldn't the list and the criteria be subject to scrutiny especially when it seems to have a fishy agenda?

Simple - in most cases, the association with the Muslim Brotherhood has led to Islamic terror. I can give you so many examples:

1. The Muslim Brotherhood was responsible for the assassination of Egyptian president Anwar Sadat in the 70's. I wonder how a "peaceful" group would result to assassination to it's own president.
2. The Muslim Brotherhood supreme guide Mustafa Mashhur said that Christians and Jews in Egypt should pay the jizya in the 90's. Are Egyptians Copts and Orthodox Jews not Egyptians like other Muslims in Egypt? Why should one Egyptian pay protection money to another Egyptian because they share different beliefs?
3. Ayman al-Zawahiri, the current leader of Al-Qaeda was and is a Muslim Brotherhood member. He has murdered thousands of innocent Muslims and non-Muslims because of the role he plays in this organization.
4. Muslim Brotherhood members murder copts: http://www.raymondibrahim.com/muslim-persecution-of-christians/egypt-christians-killed-for-ransom/

Naturally, the leaders of U.A.E are not ignorant. The president doesn't want to get up one morning and his country is taken over by "extremist elements". There are 1001 examples I can give.

personally I don't consider the USA as my marker to labelling people and groups. they are neither saints nor do they have a clean history to be jurors.besides their bone of contention as regards to the middle east always arises when they do not see eye to eye in policy making.

The current US administration doesn't label CAIR a terrorist organization. CAIR is not, strictly speaking, a terrorist organization: it doesn’t blow things up or exhort others to do so. It is, however, an Islamic supremacist organization with the same goals as those of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic State: the imposition of Islamic law wherever and whenever possible

so are we now to just brand an organization like CAIR as a terror group just because our instinct and pseudo-psychological tink tanks believe that they are capable of degenerating to terror?

Nope; we brand them a terror organization based on their history and leadership and their support for terrorist organization. Do you know how many CAIR members have been arrested on Islamic terrorism charges?

Here is what the U.A.E responded when asked why CAIR was labelled a terrorist organization:

Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed Al Nahyan is the United Arab Emirates’ Minister of Foreign Affairs. In this interview with Fox’s Bret Baier, he says: "Our threshold is quite low when we talk about extremism. We cannot accept incitement or funding when we look at some of these organizations. I mean, for many countries the definition of terror is that you have to carry a weapon and terrorize people. For us, it’s far beyond that. We cannot tolerate even the smallest and tiniest amount of terrorism."

I hope that throws some light on the issue.

my answer to above is no.we don't because we judge base on what we see not some some wish washy feeling.As regards to their members allegations that is an individual action so should be treated as such and appropraite measures should be taken if found "guilty".

Individual members? What are you talking about? You have a group that supports the Muslim Brotherhood agenda. A group that could demonize you if you critic Islam and attack you legally. You have a group that supports other terrorist organizations. Several members of CAIR has called for the destruction of Israel in so many words. The list is endless

And you kept mentioning CAIR as I recall there were over 70 groups for what crime were the other good ones on the list for?

You brought up CAIR in your post and I have been following CAIR for some time. I know a few people in Minnesota who family members have joined groups like Al-Shabaab in Somalia and the CAIR local council has demonized the local imam for speaking with the feds and authorities about this. My advice - pay close attention

from your post I can see you are a Muslim; my advice:
Rasullullah s.a.w said ;do not think bad of your fellow Muslims unless they do something wrong.

I don't know where you are my sister. CAIR doesn't represent me as a Muslim neither does it represent thousands of other Muslims. I can't even begin to start with the claims that CAIR has against it:

1. Steven Pomerantz, the FBI's former chief of counter-terrorism, notes that "CAIR, its leaders, and its activities effectively give aid to international terrorist groups.". That is coming from a former government official
2. There are American Muslims who reject CAIR's claim to speak on their behalf. The late Seifeldin Ashmawy, publisher of the New Jersey-based Voice of Peace, called CAIR the champion of "extremists whose views do not represent Islam"
3. Kamal Nawash, head of Free Muslims Against Terrorism, finds that CAIR and similar groups condemn terrorism on the surface while endorsing an ideology that helps foster extremism, adding that "almost all of their members are theocratic Muslims who reject secularism and want to establish Islamic states.

Perhaps the most obvious problem with CAIR is the fact that at least five of its employees and board members have been arrested, convicted, deported, or otherwise linked to terrorism-related charges and activities.

I agree with you on the fact that not all terrorists are born terrorists but we need to take the right steps to ensure they are not being radicalized.and that will be another discussion entirely

I am interested in that discussion. My stand on that is simple - some parts of Islam require a reformation.

^^
Lol username reproducing new monikers to get attention, your obsession with the muslim brotherhood is comical like UAE terror list, but. Unlike uae whose comical list is aimed towards achieving its political objectives, your comical claims follows delusions of an unstable mind and clownish banter meant to induce laughter! Manufacturing lies after lies shows how comical you have to descend in order to provide any defence to UAE actions. While I am not a spoke person for MB, neither am I their defence attorney, your lies are simply to dunce like for any human being to have brought, first MB is not responsible for the death of Anwar Sadat it is actually egypt islamic jihad a simple google search would have aid you in knowing this, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Anwar_Sadat
The MB long renounced violence that is why despite the murder and massacres of its members it has continued to maintain peaceful demonstrations as it tool to oppose the regime. You quoting anti-islamic website as proof shows is laughable, when u have sensible news links to post we would take u beyond being a clown that you are! Furthermore, usermane confusion on Jiyza and it terrorism underscores why you should limit your ignorance to yourself only! On zahawiri stop lying man!

www.globalmbwatch.com/2014/08/18/uk-media-cameron-investigation-concludes-muslim-brotherhood-terrorist-organization/


On CAIR, it is a pity that an FBI agents knows they sponsor terrorism, have evidence they do and yet no arrests nor indictment just your bear palour talks of and innuendoes! As for your few people in Minnesota, save that crap for the marines!

Lastly, the thread isn't about MB or CAIR, infact they are only two of the groups on a long list, having being ignored usermane the first time by myself, you unleashed a new username to fool yourself and get attention from the unsuspecting, your callous use of lies show you deserve pity, pity that you stand on a poor footing eternally deceiving yourself with no end in sight!

Dp

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How many CAIR members have been directly linked to the Muslim Brother-hood and actively or passively tunneling funds to numerous terrorist groups?

If this is true, CAIR would have been shut. ICNY (Islamic Cultural Center Of New York recieves from from UAE to build largest masjid on 96st and still receives funds. ICNY<->CAIR are interlinked.

1. CAIR has numerous lawsuits against it because of several terror related charges

Maybe. But fact remains, that it could be bogus suits. If genuine, could have been shut pending investigation.

2. CAIR discourages Muslims from talking to FBI

Yes, correct. Reason for this is because fbi abuses it power by using tactics and info received from suspects during interview against them. To be safe, CAIR adviced muslims to seek council instead of talking to officer. FBI does not use recording. They use pen and paper which is easy to manipulate.

3. Several former CAIR officials have been convicted of various crimes related to jihad terror

I am not aware of this unless you speak of Holy Land Foundation durng Bush admi. And those convictions are bias, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcIdJXGQqyU

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4. CAIR "disappointed" that it failed to intimidate UC Berkeley into canceling Bill Maher appearance because Bill said "Islam is the only religion that will assassinate you if you talk about it - Islam is like the mafia"

[/s]Irrelivant

U.S. Rejects UAE Labeling of Two American Muslim Groups

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEniuPuN388

CAIR http://www.cair.com/

Empiree

If this is true, CAIR would have been shut. ICNY (Islamic Cultural Center Of New York recieves from from UAE to build largest masjid on 96st and still receives funds. ICNY<->CAIR are interlinked.

Has any ICNY members been convicted of terrorism or aiding terrorist? 5 known members of CAIR have been convicted on jihad terrorist related charges. Why does it have members that support terrorist?

Maybe. But fact remains, that it could be bogus suits. If genuine, could have been shut pending investigation

Bogus? - CAIR has filed over 150 lawsuits against government agencies, businesses and other individuals. In 2005 CAIR with-drew one of those cases when the defendant told the court that CAIR finances were linked to front groups that support Hamas. Apparently it feared exposure that would reveal its leaders connections to terrorist groups like Hamas... Although CAIR is legal under the constitution, it is important to remember that the Communist party and the neo-Nazi parties in America were legal too.

CAIR was indicted for funding Hamas - http://www.nysun.com/national/islamic-groups-named-in-hamas-funding-case/55778/

Yes, correct. Reason for this is because fbi abuses it power by using tactics and info received from suspects during interview against them. To be safe, CAIR advised Muslims to seek council instead of talking to officer. FBI does not use recording. They use pen and paper which is easy to manipulate.

Any and every American citizen has the right to remain silent. That is not what I am talking about. CAIR ask Muslims to refuse to give out information when the FBI investigates terror related charges.

I am not aware of this unless you speak of Holy Land Foundation durng Bush admi. And those convictions are bias, too.

Randall Royer a high member in CAIR was convicted of terrorism and illegal weapons charges by the department of justice - http://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2004/January/04_crm_030.htm. These are separate cases than the Holy Land Foundation. Here is another one: http://www.foxnews.com/story/2005/04/13/brothers-found-guilty-funding-hamas/

Irrelivant

No it's not irrelevant. That is CAIR tactic even against Muslims here that don't agree with them. They throw legal cases against you, demonize you in the media if you critic them. We are a society that encourages debate, critic even if it's against our religion.

U.S. Rejects UAE Labeling of Two American Muslim Groups

I responded to this yesterday but I will respond again. Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed Al Nahyan is the United Arab Emirates’ Minister of Foreign Affairs. In this interview with Fox’s Bret Baier, he says: "Our threshold is quite low when we talk about extremism. We cannot accept incitement or funding when we look at some of these organizations. I mean, for many countries the definition of terror is that you have to carry a weapon and terrorize people. For us, it’s far beyond that. We cannot tolerate even the smallest and tiniest amount of terrorism.

vedaxcool:
^^
Lol username reproducing new monikers to get attention, your obsession with the muslim brotherhood is comical like UAE terror list, but. Unlike uae whose comical list is aimed towards achieving its political objectives, your comical claims follows delusions of an unstable mind and clownish banter meant to induce laughter! Manufacturing lies after lies shows how comical you have to descend in order to provide any defence to UAE actions. While I am not a spoke person for MB, neither am I their defence attorney, your lies are simply to dunce like for any human being to have brought, first MB is not responsible for the death of Anwar Sadat it is actually egypt islamic jihad a simple google search would have aid you in knowing this, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Anwar_Sadat
The MB long renounced violence that is why despite the murder and massacres of its members it has continued to maintain peaceful demonstrations as it tool to oppose the regime. You quoting anti-islamic website as proof shows is laughable, when u have sensible news links to post we would take u beyond being a clown that you are! Furthermore, usermane confusion on Jiyza and it terrorism underscores why you should limit your ignorance to yourself only! On zahawiri stop lying man!

www.globalmbwatch.com/2014/08/18/uk-media-cameron-investigation-concludes-muslim-brotherhood-terrorist-organization/


On CAIR, it is a pity that an FBI agents knows they sponsor terrorism, have evidence they do and yet no arrests nor indictment just your bear palour talks of and innuendoes! As for your few people in Minnesota, save that crap for the marines!

Lastly, the thread isn't about MB or CAIR, infact they are only two of the groups on a long list, having being ignored usermane the first time by myself, you unleashed a new username to fool yourself and get attention from the unsuspecting, your callous use of lies show you deserve pity, pity that you stand on a poor footing eternally deceiving yourself with no end in sight!

I will not debate someone who is not objective and ignores facts.

slyfox5555:

Bogus? - CAIR has filed over 150 lawsuits against government agencies, businesses and other individuals. In 2005 CAIR with-drew one of those cases when the defendant told the court that CAIR finances were linked to front groups that support Hamas. Apparently it feared exposure that would reveal its leaders connections to terrorist groups like Hamas... Although CAIR is legal under the constitution, it is important to remember that the Communist party and the neo-Nazi parties in America were legal too.[/b]

I must have misunderstood this. I thought you meant govt filed suits against CAIR.

That aside, it's every one's right to file suits in USA. It doesnt matter whether it makes sense or not. Many times NYcity filed suit against me and all that times were dismissed. So it's nothing should CAIR filed suits. I don't necessarily always agree with.

And yes, muslims dont have to give info to anyone if they dont have to even if they know. It's still within constitutional rights unless and until govt issues subpoena.

Lastly, you sound to gain something from irrelevancies like these.You seem to have ulterior motives saying whatever you want. It's becoming very obvious by day.

Fact is, CAIR is legit and it's not terror organization.

slyfox5555:


I will not debate someone who is not objective and ignores facts.

Debate you? Lol sorry I created such an impression, I wouldn't waste my time, I don't do debate I simply debunk, seeing that 90% of the "facts" u stated have no evidence to back them up just your words which so far have been proven to be distortion of truth and outright lies!

vedaxcool:


Debate you? Lol sorry I created such an impression, I wouldn't waste my time, I don't do debate I simply debunk, seeing that 90% of the "facts" u stated have no evidence to back them up just your words which so far have been proven to be distortion of truth and outright lies!

Evidence - are you serious or are you blind? Did you or did you not see the links I posted?

Empiree

I must have misunderstood this. I thought you meant govt filed suits against CAIR. That aside, it's every one's right to file suits in USA. It doesnt matter whether it makes sense or not. Many times NYcity filed suit against me and all that times were dismissed. So it's nothing should CAIR filed suits. I don't necessarily always agree with.

They use the filing suit as a strategy to silence or demonize people who critic Islam. You and I can disagree - that doesn't call for a civil suit. CAIR has so many suits against so many entities for so many reasons.

And yes, muslims dont have to give info to anyone if they dont have to even if they know. It's still within constitutional rights unless and until govt issues subpoena.

The culture of encouraging Muslims not to co-operate with authorities is not a good or healthy one. So, if you witnesses a murder and a cop ask you what you saw - the cop should get a subpoena because of that?

Lastly, you sound to gain something from irrelevancies like these.You seem to have ulterior motives saying whatever you want. It's becoming very obvious by day.

I don't understand what you are getting at? Irrelevant in which way - that CAIR has and had terrorist elements?

Fact is, CAIR is legit and it's not terror organization.

Perhaps you didn't read my initial response to this, I will post it again:

The current US administration doesn't label CAIR a terrorist organization. CAIR is not, strictly speaking, a terrorist organization: it doesn’t blow things up or exhort others to do so. It is, however, an Islamic supremacist organization with the same goals as those of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic State: the imposition of Islamic law wherever and whenever possible

CAIR puts a big question mark on itself because several of it's members were indicted on terrorism charges and convicted of those charges.

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They use the filing suit as a strategy to silence or demonize people who critic Islam. You and I can disagree - that doesn't call for a civil suit. CAIR has so many suits against so many entities for so many reasons.

Trust me, it's still doesnt mean anything. I know where you are getting at with this.

The culture of encouraging Muslims not to co-operate with authorities is not a good or healthy one. So, if you witnesses a murder and a cop ask you what you saw - the cop should get a subpoena because of that?

This one is funny. Did you know that CAIR was close 'friend' of fbi for long until around 2010-2011?. CAIR dumped cooperating with them because of mistrust. They enjoyed CAIR cooperation to give info about people and suspects which put CAIR and muslims against each other. But at the same time, fbi was spying on CAIR. Thats where/how the whole disagreements started. And so, CAIR cut off relationship.

CAIR puts a big question mark on itself because several of it's members were indicted on terrorism charges and convicted of those charges.

mention their names, pls.

Empiree

Trust me, it's still doesnt mean anything. I know where you are getting at with this

Bro, it's easier said than done. Here is a case where CAIR asked a school to investigate a professor because he wrote a book about Islam - http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2014/04/11/muslim-advocacy-group-calls-investigation-oberlin-college-professors-bigotry/. Normally, there is no cause for this; absolutely no reason. However, CAIR has this culture of going after people who criticize Islam and that is just one example.

This one is funny. Did you know that CAIR was close 'friend' of fbi for long until around 2010-2011?. CAIR dumped cooperating with them because of mistrust. They enjoyed CAIR cooperation to give info about people and suspects which put CAIR and muslims against each other. But at the same time, fbi was spying on CAIR. Thats where/how the whole disagreements started. And so, CAIR cut off relationship.

Let me give you a typical example. Several of the jihadists involved in the WestGate attack in Kenya are Somalis from Minnesota. They include 22-year-old Ahmed Mohamed Isse of St. Paul and 24-year-old Abdifatah Osman Keenadiid of Minneapolis. In the last few years the FBI and Congress have launched probes into the radicalization of the Somali American community in Minnesota. Al Shabaab recruits young men in local mosques and ships them off to train and fight in Somalia. CAIR has interfered with the U.S. government’s investigation into this operation. Many in the local Somali community denounced CAIR's actions, saying that the group was actually discouraging them from cooperating with the FBI. Here is the story: http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/47883727.html?page=1&c=y.

During congressional testimony, the uncle of one of the missing men recruited and radicalized by Al Shabaab blasted CAIR for instructing the Somali American community not to cooperate with law enforcement and standing blindly behind the mosque that radicalized his nephew. “CAIR held meetings for some members of the community and told them not to talk to the FBI, which was a slap in the face for the Somali American Muslim mothers who were knocking on doors day and night with pictures of their missing children and asking for the community to talk to law enforcement about what they know of the missing kids, Abdirizak Bihi told the House Committee on Homeland Security

This is just another example

mention their names, pls

1. Ghassan Elashi
2. Mousa Abu Marzook
3. Randall Royer
4. Bassem Khafagi
5. Rabih Haddad

I understand. fact remains that cair is an organization in the US and it has not committed any crime as an organization. Therefore, UAE inclusion of cair on the list is pretty much irrelevant. I believe UAE is motivated by something hidden and unknown to us yet. Only time will tell. There are non Muslim organisations out there supporting terrorism state wise but because they are non Muslims, people snubbed them including you. Like I said before, I don't necessarily buy CAIR' idea of suing this or that. If however cair feel the need for it, so be it.

There are innocent Muslims spied upon for doing nothing wrong other than just being Muslims. I was myself interrogated and spied upon for 4yrs by fbi/nypd. You don't want me to tell you mine, do you?. My question to you is what exactly do you want to gain from inclusion of cair on UAE list?(

slyfox5555:




Bro, it's easier said than done. Here is a case where CAIR asked a school to investigate a professor because he wrote a book about Islam - http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2014/04/11/muslim-advocacy-group-calls-investigation-oberlin-college-professors-bigotry/. Normally, there is no cause for this; absolutely no reason. However, CAIR has this culture of going after people who criticize Islam and that is just one example.



Let me give you a typical example. Several of the jihadists involved in the WestGate attack in Kenya are Somalis from Minnesota. They include 22-year-old Ahmed Mohamed Isse of St. Paul and 24-year-old Abdifatah Osman Keenadiid of Minneapolis. In the last few years the FBI and Congress have launched probes into the radicalization of the Somali American community in Minnesota. Al Shabaab recruits young men in local mosques and ships them off to train and fight in Somalia. CAIR has interfered with the U.S. government’s investigation into this operation. Many in the local Somali community denounced CAIR's actions, saying that the group was actually discouraging them from cooperating with the FBI. Here is the story: http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/47883727.html?page=1&c=y.

During congressional testimony, the uncle of one of the missing men recruited and radicalized by Al Shabaab blasted CAIR for instructing the Somali American community not to cooperate with law enforcement and standing blindly behind the mosque that radicalized his nephew. “CAIR held meetings for some members of the community and told them not to talk to the FBI, which was a slap in the face for the Somali American Muslim mothers who were knocking on doors day and night with pictures of their missing children and asking for the community to talk to law enforcement about what they know of the missing kids, Abdirizak Bihi told the House Committee on Homeland Security

This is just another example



1. Ghassan Elashi
2. Mousa Abu Marzook
3. Randall Royer
4. Bassem Khafagi
5. Rabih Haddad

Empiree:
I understand. fact remains that cair is an organization in the US and it has not committed any crime as an organization. Therefore, UAE inclusion of cair on the list is pretty much irrelevant. I believe UAE is motivated by something hidden and unknown to us yet. Only time will tell. There are non Muslim organisations out there supporting terrorism state wise but because they are non Muslims, people snubbed them including you. Like I said before, I don't necessarily buy CAIR' idea of suing this or that. If however cair feel the need for it, so be it.

There are innocent Muslims spied upon for doing nothing wrong other than just being Muslims. I was myself interrogated and spied upon for 4yrs by fbi/nypd. You don't want me to tell you mine, do you?. My question to you is what exactly do you want to gain from inclusion of cair on UAE list?(

You haven't done justice to my response. You asked for the 5 people that were indicted; I gave them to you. You asked why CAIR tells Muslims not to work with the FBI; I responded and gave you the specific example I was referring to and you did no justice to that.

I have nothing against CAIR as an organization. I stated the U.A.E foreign minister response as to why CAIR was listed as a terrorist organization. My contention is that CAIR uses it's position as if it speaks for all Muslims like you and myself when it doesn't and sometimes it policies actually harms some of us.

Secondly, the sanctioning of free speech and demonizing of anyone that criticizes Islam by CAIR is not healthy. I am a Muslim, I will engage and debate anyone with other views about my religion without smearing them or demonizing them.

Thirdly, 5 of CAIR high ranking members were involved with terrorism. It puts the organization in a suspect position.

Regarding the FBI and NYPD surveillance; your privacy should be respected; no doubt against that. However, since Sept 9/11 - Muslims have come under the radar because it was some "Muslims" that killed our fellow Americans in the name of our religion. It's natural to be subjected to criticism, investigation and surveillance after such an attack.

slyfox5555:


Evidence - are you serious or are you blind? Did you or did you not see the links link I posted?

#fixed
If you call posting a single link, links in plural then u clearly are the one who have to question ur seriousness and whether u r in fact visually impaired! But I move further to ask, are u serious or dumb? How do u post one link which reference only one of the numerous allegations u made as evidences for all ur jibbi jabber u made? Poor u, the link couldn't even been taken serious as it comes from someone with ur type of illness! Atleast u gibberish is getting u the attention u so desperately crave!

Please leave cair alone. it's not criminal organization. Those fellas accused of wrong doing are individuals and got what they deserved. The fact that Cair was not indicted or accused, whatever you say here doesn't hold water. Cair would have been shut if it was wrong. There are many non Muslims doing worse than what you screaming over here. pls get over it. Makes no sense.

slyfox5555:


You haven't done justice to my response. You asked for the 5 people that were indicted; I gave them to you. You asked why CAIR tells Muslims not to work with the FBI; I responded and gave you the specific example I was referring to and you did no justice to that.

I have nothing against CAIR as an organization. I stated the U.A.E foreign minister response as to why CAIR was listed as a terrorist organization. My contention is that CAIR uses it's position as if it speaks for all Muslims like you and myself when it doesn't and sometimes it policies actually harms some of us.

Secondly, the sanctioning of free speech and demonizing of anyone that criticizes Islam by CAIR is not healthy. I am a Muslim, I will engage and debate anyone with other views about my religion without smearing them or demonizing them.

Thirdly, 5 of CAIR high ranking members were involved with terrorism. It puts the organization in a suspect position.

Regarding the FBI and NYPD surveillance; your privacy should be respected; no doubt against that. However, since Sept 9/11 - Muslims have come under the radar because it was some "Muslims" that killed our fellow Americans in the name of our religion. It's natural to be subjected to criticism, investigation and surveillance after such an attack.

vedaxcool:


#fixed
If you call posting a single link, links in plural then u clearly are the one who have to question ur seriousness and whether u r in fact visually impaired! But I move further to ask, are u serious or dumb? How do u post one link which reference only one of the numerous allegations u made as evidences for all ur jibbi jabber u made? Poor u, the link couldn't even been taken serious as it comes from someone with ur type of illness! Atleast u gibberish is getting u the attention u so desperately crave!

Oh boy - lunacy at it's peek

Empiree:
Please leave cair alone. it's not criminal organization. Those fellas accused of wrong doing are individuals and got what they deserved. The fact that Cair was not indicted or accused, whatever you say here doesn't hold water. Cair would have been shut if it was wrong. There are many non Muslims doing worse than what you screaming over here. pls get over it. Makes no sense.

They were individuals that worked for CAIR. How do you explained 5 different individuals in the same organization convicted of terrorism charges over different period of times? CAIR itself was indicted and mentioned as a front for funding Hamas. For now, the US has not said it's illegal neither was Neo-Nazism or KKK criminal organizations either but we all know their works.

We are discussing the list of terrorism that the UAE mentioned right? If you want to discuss what non-muslims are doing, please open a thread and we can discuss that

slyfox5555:


Oh boy - lunacy at it's peek

A word that best describes your silly claims