happney65:


You want the status quo to remain on Guns?But the status quo should not remain on immigration right?
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raumdeuter:


This is a very unintelligent response. So because status quo on gun should remain, status quo on everything should also remain? Why not let the status quo on slavery also remain, And status quo on disenfranchising women, or status quo on same sex marriage just because status quo on guns remain.

So if you decide to stay with your wife for 40yrs means you should also stay with your car, your couch, your bedsheet, your electronics for 40yrs

Today we dare to think freely where before we did not, but however we cannot; our will to think is only a willingness to think what the media term 'a necessity' against chaos, and this is what we feel as our continuing liberty.

Can anyone imagine a more appalling caricature of freedom of thought?

Any consumer of modern media neither knows, nor is allowed to know, the purposes for which he is used, nor even the role that he is to play. Here, as in every army, the soldier obeys blindly, and war-aims and operation-plans change without his knowledge. The press today is an army with carefully organized arms and branches, with journalists as officers, and voters as soldiers.

I do not think greater subversion of a republic could ever be imagined.

Today every founding father would demand, not freedom for the press, but freedom from the press; but the politician, both democrat and republican, play a game with the media to secure all of their positions against the voter who today is best seen as the mark in the greatest confidence game ever attempted.

Until the mark rebels, the game's rigging is just his paranoia. Is the entire republic worth anyone's loyalty today? Subsets, yes, have character and lives worth defending and will defend us in return. The greatest subversion is to think ourselves, the voter, alone. We must not think the thoughts the media demand, but thoughts of what the broadest in-group that secures safety and so loyalty is.

raumdeuter:
President Obama said Thursday that while he and his wife Michelle Obama were campaigning in Iowa, the First Lady indicated that she would have wanted a gun if the couple lived in a rural area.

“At one point Michelle turned to me and said, ‘You know, if I was living in a farmhouse where the sheriff's department is pretty far away and somebody can just turn off the highway and come up to the farm,’” he said during a CNN town hall on guns in America. “‘I would want to have a shotgun or a rifle to make sure I was protected and to make sure my family was protected.’”

Obama suggested that given that his family lives in Chicago — a city that has experienced over four dozen shootings over the past week alone, according to CNN — their perspective on guns was naturally different than someone who lives in a rural area.

The difference in opinion on guns across the country, the President said, is partially because "people occupy different realities" — both in terms of location and tradition.

"There are a whole bunch of law-abiding citizens who have grown up hunting with their dads, going to the shooting range and are responsible gun owners," Obama said.

happney65:


Okay,So why should anybody,including terrorists,mentally challenged,drug addicts,and i mean anybody should be able to walk walk into a gun store and buy any type of Gun..Not just gun,A real weapon of War,Guns meant for War would be in the Hands of these people above with no issues at all..Be sincere for once and ask yourself if such make sense

Thank you

happney65:
Hunters he referred to and mostly people that live in rural areas and not yeye and people who are obsessed with Guns with little or no reason

raumdeuter:


WHy should you take their guns? Making guns illegal only ensures that the bad guys have a monopoly of guns. The man living in rural Idaho that the nearest Sherriff is 3hrs away how do you want him to protect himself

Nigeria where guns are not allowed dont thieves and robbers still get guns? Or you want the situation where Robbers will hae the guts to write a letter to your community that they are coming on a date, they will keep their appointment, Rob uninterrupted and unchallenged for 5hrs

Like I said this is America and the people have the right to their guns as provisioned by the constitution

A big percentage of Americans live in the rural area where law enforcement is thin and they need to protect themselves

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"You know what's wrong with scientific power?" Malcolm said. "It's a form of inherited wealth. And you know what assholes congenitally rich people are. It never fails."

Hammond said, "What is he talking about?"

Harding made a sign, indicating delirium. Malcolm cocked his eye.

"I will tell you what I am talking about," he said. "Most kinds of power require a substantial sacrifice by whoever wants the power. There is an apprenticeship, a discipline lasting many years. Whatever kind of power you want. President of the company. Black belt in karate. Spiritual guru. Whatever it is you seek, you have to put in the time, the practice, the effort. You must give up a lot to get it. It has to be very important to you. And once you have attained it, it is your power. It can't be given away: it resides in you. It is literally the result of your discipline.

"Now, what is interesting about this process is that, by the time someone has acquired the ability to kill with his bare hands, he has also matured to the point where he won't use it unwisely. So that kind of power has a built-in control. The discipline of getting the power changes you so that you won't abuse it.

"But scientific power is like inherited wealth: attained without discipline. You read what others have done, and you take the next step. You can do it very young. You can make progress very fast. There is no discipline lasting many decades. There is no mastery: old scientists are ignored. There is no humility before nature. There is only a get-rich-quick, make-a-name-for-yourself-fast philosophy. Cheat, lie, falsify-it doesn't matter. Not to you, or to your colleagues. No one will criticize you. No one has any standards. They are all trying to do the same thing: to do something big, and do it fast.

"And because you can stand on the shoulders of giants, you can accomplish something quickly. You don't even know exactly what you have done, but already you have reported it, patented it, and sold it. And the buyer will have even less discipline than you. The buyer simply purchases the power, like any commodity. The buyer doesn't even conceive that any discipline might be necessary."

Hammond said, "Do you know what he is talking about?"

Ellie nodded.

"I haven't a clue," Hammond said.

"I'll make it simple," Malcolm said. "A karate master does not kill people with his bare hands. He does not lose his temper and kill his wife. The person who kills is the person who has no discipline, no restraint, and who has purchased his power in the form of a Saturday night special. And that is the kind of power that science fosters, and permits. And that is why you think that to build a place like this is simple."

oyb:
i am a victim/survivor of robberies. i survived a home invasion some five years ago. my first thought when i faced the robbers in my house [one with some sort of home made gun, and the other with a machete, and the first thought on my mind when i faced them was 'if i had a gun'. by some mix of adrenaline, luck , divine intervention etal, i was able to knock the two baggers right over the balcony they came through.

would it have been a different story if i had a gun? maybe. but i also have two kids who get their hands on just about everything.

more to the point, the nigerian police and soldiers are clear pointer to what one can expect from legalizing guns in nigeria. they are a law unto themselves, and the only real thing separating them from nigerians is that they carry firearms. give nigerians guns, and aciddental discharges will multiply. trigger happy nigerians would be using guns as a means of oppressing and settling scores. we get into an argument, we scuffle, next thing you shoot me. i owe you money, you come to my house with a gun.

is it not this same nigeria where people douse ex boyfriends and girlfriends with acid? what do you think would happen if such people had firearms?

armed robbers writing people is about the failure of the nigerian police. if armed robbers suspect you are armed, they will just come prepared. most of those people kidnapped by evans are ibo, and i guarantee you they have guns.

there was even a case last year of some bank big wig who commited suicide. he used a gun. a pistol, which legally, he should not have had. .

this is one of my favorite quotes from jurassic park, it sums up the issue with guns
guns are simply people with no training, no discipline, no maturity, being handed the power of instant death. death without the messiness of strangling, cutting, just squeezing a trigger.
if the sandy hook guy had a knife instead of a gun, or his bare hands - how far would he have gone? the guy who shot the congressman, how far would he have gone if he had to use his fists?
all guns are doing is fulfilling tough guy fantasies. unfortunately, they have the real power to maim and kill

raumdeuter:


Good example, The only reason thieves can confidently come into your house and be relaxed and have a field day is because they know you dont have anything to hurt them, If you have a gun, They wont have that effrontery

And regarding kids, there are at least 5-10 items in your house that can kill kids if not used rightly. Car, Electric shock, knife, bleach, soap, etc can kill, Why havent your kids gone there? because you taught them how to respect those items and never abuse them. Why didnt you avoid getting those items because they can kill

Guns bring about mutual respect, when you know your neighbor is probably packing a gun, you will be careful. In America you just dont knock on the door you call people, you just dont trespass you announce your arrival, Because there is a chance of mutually assured destruction

So if Boyfriend kill girlfriend with acid. Should we also ban acid? they run over girlfriend with cars, should we also ban cars? How many things should we ban?

The big wig who killed himself with a gun, Are you saying if he didnt have a gun he wont have killed himself? The doctor who jumped into 3rd mainland nko? What should we do about th ocean? should we drain it so that people wont kill themselves in it. Blaming guns for suicide is like giving a dog a bad name just to hang it.

If Robbers come prepared they dont know how many people in the neighborhood are armed. SO you mean an estate of say 40 houses like 25 have guns, How will the letter writing robbers come? Even if they overpower 3, there are still 20 active guns waiting to engage them



The solution to a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun. The Sandy Hook guy assuming there were 5 armed guards in the school do you think he would have his field day doing whatever? To stop im they had to call police, who had to drive do you know how many kids life could have been saved with 6 armed guards

raumdeuter:


Good example, The only reason thieves can confidently come into your house and be relaxed and have a field day is because they know you dont have anything to hurt them, If you have a gun, They wont have that effrontery

And regarding kids, there are at least 5-10 items in your house that can kill kids if not used rightly. Car, Electric shock, knife, bleach, soap, etc can kill, Why havent your kids gone there? because you taught them how to respect those items and never abuse them. Why didnt you avoid getting those items because they can kill

Guns bring about mutual respect, when you know your neighbor is probably packing a gun, you will be careful. In America you just dont knock on the door you call people, you just dont trespass you announce your arrival, Because there is a chance of mutually assured destruction

So if Boyfriend kill girlfriend with acid. Should we also ban acid? they run over girlfriend with cars, should we also ban cars? How many things should we ban?

The big wig who killed himself with a gun, Are you saying if he didnt have a gun he wont have killed himself? The doctor who jumped into 3rd mainland nko? What should we do about th ocean? should we drain it so that people wont kill themselves in it. Blaming guns for suicide is like giving a dog a bad name just to hang it.

If Robbers come prepared they dont know how many people in the neighborhood are armed. SO you mean an estate of say 40 houses like 25 have guns, How will the letter writing robbers come? Even if they overpower 3, there are still 20 active guns waiting to engage them



The solution to a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun. The Sandy Hook guy assuming there were 5 armed guards in the school do you think he would have his field day doing whatever? To stop im they had to call police, who had to drive do you know how many kids life could have been saved with 6 armed guards

Good example, The only reason thieves can confidently come into your house and be relaxed and have a field day is because they know you dont have anything to hurt them, If you have a gun, They wont have that effrontery

And regarding kids, there are at least 5-10 items in your house that can kill kids if not used rightly. Car, Electric shock, knife, bleach, soap, etc can kill, Why havent your kids gone there? because you taught them how to respect those items and never abuse them. Why didnt you avoid getting those items because they can kill

Guns bring about mutual respect, when you know your neighbor is probably packing a gun, you will be careful. In America you just dont knock on the door you call people, you just dont trespass you announce your arrival, Because there is a chance of mutually assured destruction

So if Boyfriend kill girlfriend with acid. Should we also ban acid? they run over girlfriend with cars, should we also ban cars? How many things should we ban?

The solution to a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun. The Sandy Hook guy assuming there were 5 armed guards in the school do you think he would have his field day doing whatever? To stop im they had to call police, who had to drive do you know how many kids life could have been saved with 6 armed guards

If Robbers come prepared they dont know how many people in the neighborhood are armed. SO you mean an estate of say 40 houses like 25 have guns, How will the letter writing robbers come? Even if they overpower 3, there are still 20 active guns waiting to engage them

oyb:
you have gone full texas.

theives are not coming confidently because i am not armed . they are coming confidently because they know police will not respond to distress calls. theres a story surulere i think of some dude with a pistol who stood his ground against a gang of robbers. he held them off until the police showed, was a hero. but what happened next? the robbers came back two weeks later, specifically for the guy. a friend of mine had the highest fence in the neighborhood, dogs the whole nine yards. theives had been robbing everyone else but him. one day he woke up with them in his bedroom. they told him ' we worked very hard to get in , and you better have something for us'. in the end your guns may deter the small boy criminals - but the hard core ones will still come.

And regarding kids, there are at least 5-10 items in your house that can kill kids if not used rightly. Car, Electric shock, knife, bleach, soap, etc can kill, Why havent your kids gone there? because you taught them how to respect those items and never abuse them. Why didnt you avoid getting those items because they can killor what you are saying to work, every single person will be packing.



1) i would not show my kids my gun in the first place. showing them a gun and telling them to respect it is moth to flame ish.
2) every other thing you mentioned will first injure. every other thing you mentioned is not designed to kill. a gun is not a dangerous tool or household agent that can injure if misused. it is a weapon designed to kill.




this mutually assured desruction sounds like every citizen in america is in some form of cold war with their neighbours. it is paranoiacs who see mutually assured destruction in unannounced visits from neighbours. if everyone has mutual respect due to MAD, that simply means everyone will be in their own little arms race. so if i want to knock on your door i buy body armor and ak. you anticipate that so you buy teflon bullets and ar 15, wash rinse repeat

violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. if the only way i can get the respect of my neighbour is by packing then i and my neighbour have some serious issues


like i said - none of those items is deigned with the sole intention of killing people or animals. a gun is a weapon. it has NO other use.




strange that you are asking for the third world ization of america. armed guards in day care centres? so what your solution is simply armed men EVERYWHERE. in cinemas, eateries, schools , hospitals. thats doesnt look like a democracy. that looks like a nation under siege. that is iraq.



1) you automatically associate having a gun with having the skills and temperament to use it effectively and responsibly. if americans had the temparment to use guns responsibly, the us we would not be having mass shootings like this. you are a nigerian. all that would happen in your neighbourhood of 25 guns is that trigger happy enforcers will be trayvonning innocent passersby.

Mindfulness:
We have no guns in our house and we feel perfectly safe. I do not know one person in the neighborhood who owns a gun. In fact, gun laws re very strict and by comparison we have a lot less people being killed by guns here.

Good luck to you all in the wild wild west.

raumdeuter:


Texas is a beautiful place. You should live there and meet its wonderful people

Regarding your incident, The thieves came because they knew they wont be challenged either by police or by you, 2 rifles is enough to hold a whole street to ransom. When the security of my house is concerned, there are some people who wont want to wait for police to respond to calls in 10-15mins when the invader has done their worst.

The guy in SUrulere, assuming there were many others in the neighborhood who also have guns, the thieves will stay away. While growing up, I knew areas wher ex-military guys lived and Robbers always avoid those places. Why do you think they avoid those places? The robbers who struck Zenith Bank in Owerri, why did they run away? Because they were faced by good guys with a gun, Not waiting on Policemen to come

A car can kill very well, we have seen people either accidentally or intentionally kill people with cars instantly, electricity can kill instantly. Acid can kill instantly, A gun is a weapon to hunt and a weapon to protect and must be used for those purposes only

Many kids in America start going to hunt with their dads from early in life and they see the gun kill animals and they know to respect it and never touch it.

"Violence is the last resort of the incompetent" Sounds like one of those fancy liberal slogans. The reality is in the world there WILL always be violence, there will always be people who want to harm others, When liberals have found a place where no one will seek to hurt others they should let us know.

Yes why not? If you guard things that are not as precious with armed guard why cant we guard our children with it? In cinemas, eateries, schools there are security guards and if they have a gun people there will be safe. Those robbers who went to Zenith Bank in that video, if no one had challenged them what do you think they would have done? Definitely they were not there to share flowers, The staff and customers there that day would be grateful to those good guys with a gun.

Democracy involves freedom and one of the freedom granted Americans is stated in the 2nd Amendment

happney65:



They want everyone to have a Gun,But you dont want everybody to have Nuclear Weapon,when i call you guys hypocrites,una go dey vex...Lol

Mindfulness:
We have no guns in our house and we feel perfectly safe. I do not know one person in the neighborhood who owns a gun. In fact, gun laws re very strict and by comparison we have a lot less people being killed by guns here.

Good luck to you all in the wild wild west.

armyofone:
I don't see very strong/good reasons to own a gun in 2017 when we have so many high tech protections and alarm systems all around for 60 dollars or less per month.

I prefer a world where only those in the mil, police, security should have access to gun.

Americans are misusing the privilege to own gun. You argue with wifey or friends, gun. You were fired from work, gun. Not happy with another person or neighbor, gun. You don't like a person, gun. You don't like that politician, gun.
Oh well

raumdeuter:


Liberals can get nuclear weapons for everyone if they wanted. No one is stopping you. I have asked you why the Liberals didn't pass the law to ban guns when they had control of the house

raumdeuter:


Liberals can get nuclear weapons for everyone if they wanted. No one is stopping you. I have asked you why the Liberals didn't pass the law to ban guns when they had control of the house

Lies of omission are worse than fake news. They mislead purposefully and then still claim they were not wrong. The deceit is abhorrent.

ab·hor·rent [abˈhôrənt, abˈhärənt] ADJECTIVE: inspiring disgust and loathing; repugnant:

synonyms: detestable · hateful · loathsome · despicable · abominable · execrable · repellent · repugnant · repulsive · revolting · disgusting · distasteful · horrible · horrid · horrifying · awful · heinous · reprehensible · obnoxious · odious · nauseating · offensive · contemptible

I think that word sums it up nicely

Seems like a weird play by CNN here. I would have thought Lefitsts would be outraged at Dems praying as a group; unless it was to some nebulous Lady-Earth spirit chicken-duck thing

LordReed:
Ban a constitutional right really?

raumdeuter:


So what is it liberals want Republicans to do about guns?

Whatever they want Republicans to do about guns, why didnt they do it when they had control of the house, senate and presidency

KratosCorp:
CNN is abhorant.

Mindfulness:


Says the one who bullied every divorcee and single parent on family section but came here to defend an adulterer like Trump.

We love CNN. You have FoxNews. Go and watch it and stop whining like the Fake President.

KratosCorp:
You are a textbook validation of the fact that the contemporary liberalism is a chronic mental disease.

Mindfulness:



Says the one who was preaching the Bible for ten years on NL and ended up posing in his undies.

KratosCorp:

Mindfulness:



Says the one who was preaching the Bible for ten years on NL and ended up posing in his undies.

AHCB:
Good lord...