mbaemeka:


My friend, Jesus ascended twice. You would have to ignore clear scriptures to suggest otherwise and if you reduce the discussion to coagulated blood and jars then it would be preposterous and absurd.

Now, I told you something and you should do well to study it. There is NOTHING that suggests any of these things being explained in Hebrews didn't happen in Heaven. The question you should ask yourself was who was in heaven to see these things and explain them? There are somethings that the book of Hebrews said that are only found in the book, without which we would NEVER have known or understood Christ's priestly role. So you should do well to get the full picture.

mbaemeka:


What I meant is the MSG mistranslated that verse. It is not an aberration. Some translators did so according to their own understanding, some of which were erroneous.

The AMP for example, said "through the power of the Holy spirit". How else will anyone say a woman got pregnant except by the power of some other person?

vooks:

1. Abraham offering tithe to him is not necessarily a sign of submission to him as a king. Dude was a priest of the Most high at the same time.

Your hypothesis is;
1. Jesus is Child of the Holy Ghost
2.Jesus is the Prince of Peace
3. Melchizedek is King of Peace

CONCLUSION
Melchizedek is Holy Ghost

mbaemeka:

Abraham did not relate with any other priest the same way, and you cannot say that Melchizedek was the only priest of the most high God.

Zikkyy:

"after the power of an endless life" has nothing to do with Melchizedek, it refers to Christ divine nature.

mbaemeka:

WRONG again. The bible said "Just like Melchizedek, there arose another priest who was made after the power of an endless life". You can juxtapose it with the first description saying "neither having beginning of days nor END OF LIFE".

Zikkyy:


The Hebrews writer focus was on the priesthood (as defined by the character/nature of the priest). Jesus did not come 'after' Melchizedek, his priesthood resembles that of Melchizedek.



in arguing your case for theophany, you deliberately ignore the fact that Melchizedek was also a priest. Can you please tell us if the Holy Ghost is also a priest of the most high God. or maybe you are saying Melchizedek was never a priest?



That's the point. Jesus did not come after the order of anybody ( i don't even understand what you mean by 'order'). The reference to Melchizedek is to show resemblance (based on perception).

mbaemeka:

After his order means exactly AFTER HIS ORDER.

vooks:



Sir, you have to stretch imagery to absurdity to sustain an even worse absurdity called double ascension theory. Somebody told me that Oyakhilome is against graphics depicting Holy Spirit as a dove.



Equally there some things in Romans without which we would NEVER have understood things like the future of Israel, relationship between the covenants and so forth. Point is Hebrews carrying unique teachings is nothing to dwell on here.

Christ NEVER ascended with his blood to heaven at no time to offer nothing. The sacrifice and blood was offered and finished at calvary. You can do me a favor and state your biggest conviction on this and I will rebut it right here

vooks:
I believe we both don't worship no translation nor paraphrase. We are brothers

The point is anybody arguing that since Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is his father and this is evidenced by Jesus being the prince of peace while Holy Spirit/Melchizedek is King of Peace is not making any sense

Zikkyy:


I am not aware of any other priest (of the most high God). Maybe you can help.

Zikkyy:




What i read you say here is that Christ claim to 'endless life' flows from his priesthood similar to/(after the) order (priestly type) of Melchizedek.

15 "And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life".

The Levi priest become priest according to the Mosaic law. i.e. one based on succession from father to son (carnal commandment). Christ claim to a priesthood that is eternal flows from his immortality.

vooks:
I believe we both don't worship no translation nor paraphrase. We are brothers

The point is anybody arguing that since Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is his father and this is evidenced by Jesus being the prince of peace while Holy Spirit/Melchizedek is King of Peace is not making any sense

mbaemeka:

WRONG again. The bible said "Just like Melchizedek, there arose another priest who was made after the power of an endless life". You can juxtapose it with the first description saying "neither having beginning of days nor END OF LIFE".

mbaemeka:

The Jews don't see Melchizedek as still occupying his office- they didn't even know much about him. It was God almighty that said Jesus will be a priest forever just like Melchizedek.

mbaemeka:


So let me take you step by step. The scriptures will tell which idea is absurd.

1. John 20:17. Where was Jesus going to here? Let us start from there.

2. The teachings Hebrews carried was to help clarify on some of the things we did not understand post-resurrection. That's what I meant.

3. Hebrews 9:11-12. We can also start from here.

Zikkyy:

You forgot to add this bit in red font...
....without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God.....
It is Melchizedek that resembles Christ.

Zikkyy:


@bolded, you do agree that Melchizedek is a priest, and he is a priest forever. and you are of the opinion Melchizedek is not Jesus. so if Melchizedek is priest forever, where is his office currently?

vooks:
John 20:17 (KJV)
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Jesus says He is going to the father. What's the quarrel?

mbaemeka:


AND SAY UNTO THEM I ASCEND UNTO MY FATHER AND YOUR FATHER. . .

He Ascended that moment. That is clear enough. Was it 10 days away from Pentecost on this day?

MostHigh:


Weak interpretation.

[size=40pt]The focus is on the unending nature of his priesthood and not natural birth or death.[/size]

Goshen the false teacher.

Zikkyy:


How did a priest end up a theophany

You cannot even defend your own post. This is one of the hazard of posting other peeps opinion.

vooks:
He said he would ascend to the father. Where is it written he ascended that moment?

lanxlot:
For this Melchizedek, king of salem, priest of the most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him,
2, to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated "king of righteousness," and then also king of salem, Meaning "king of peace,"
3, WITHOUT FATHER, WITHOUT MOTHER, WITHOUT GENEALOGY, HAVING NEITHER BEGINNING OF DAYS NOR END OF LIFE, BUT MADE LIKE THE SON OF GOD, REMAINS A PRIEST CONTINUALLY.

Some persons i discussed with said He is Jesus, but idontbilivit for the following:
1, without father; Jesus had a foster father.
2, without mother, I just cannot take away the position of mary.
3, without geneology; the geneology of Jesus Was recorded in the book of matthew chapter 1 vs 1-17.
4; having neither beginning of days nor end of life. ok, this may just be the reason why some say that this Melchizedek is Christ. for Christ had no beginning, neither will he have an end.
but made like the son of God, remains a priest continually. Jesus Is'nt LIKE, He is the son of God.
what if am wrong, and if the person as described is'nt Jesus, who is He?

twosquare:
Melchizedek was a guy who lost his name in the walk of faith, after navigating through all the realms of Righteousness...he became the king of Salem and another name was conferred on him which is an order called Melchizedek. In other words, He was a king of Peace and attained that state by sojourning with a Spirit(God). No one can be a king of Salem without first becoming a father of Faith and be a king of righteousness. This man lost his earthly properties and entered into another kind of "days" which most men never entered. It is the realm of He who has neither the beginning of days nor the end of life. That's the realm of Yahweh, the realm of the Eternal One. This man who was given Melchizedek mastered eternal life and his days were not found again among the sons of men.
Melchizedek was a man who saw the kingdom in the beginning of times, and finished the course of what it entails...he became a priest(spiritual) and gave Abraham the communion, to help him in his walk of faith. The king of peace, this man who is also a king of righteousness blessed the Father of Faith. He was a man like us, but found favour to enter into the realm of God. That's the simplest way I can explain it to u.._utterance sometimes can be difficult.

mbaemeka:


Didn't you see "Go and tell them?". Why did he tell her to tell them? Why didn't he do it himself?

AlfaSeltzer:
Confused religion.

Bidam:
Is this one reading another bible

Bidam:
Is this one reading another bible

twosquare:
it is because you can't see beyond the surface.

mbaemeka:


How does he resemble the son of God?

vooks:
There is NOTHING between the lines, but you are free to full the space up with hallucinations to your perdition