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Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by lastmessenger: 3:44pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
@ pastorAio if understand you clearly your post suggest that you believe in total anihilation of the ungodly. |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by PastorAIO: 3:44pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
lastmessenger: This notion of future reward/punishment is a real spanner in the works. In my opinion it is one of the biggest stumbling blocks to people seeking spiritual maturity. I cannot recall the odu in ifa but I recall verse that say human perfection will be achieved when the thief refuses to steal for no other reason than he can feel the pain that the owner will experience when he discovers his property is gone. In other words when you do good because it is your nature to do good rather than for ulterior motives, that is when spiritual maturity is achieved. 3 Likes |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by PastorAIO: 3:48pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
lastmessenger: Nope, that's not what I said. I said total annihilation would be a better solution than eternal torture. The sinner did not beg God to create him. So why after creating him must he now suffer eternally? God bears all the responsibility here. If God can't achieve his purpose with man then he should just return man back to the nonexistence where he brought man from. 1 Like |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by CAPTIVATOR: 3:56pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
PastorAIO: My Brother ..... I agree with you that at a time MAN DOESNT EXIST !!! YET THE PENALTY FOR SIN IS " DEATH" rom 6:23 !!! Death: /opposite of live, non-existent, cease to exist, no longer alive/ !!! No wonder we say God can never die ! Wich means God cannot cease to exist . BUT where did God say Adam himself will return to when he dies ?? |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Weah96: 3:58pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
lastmessenger: But they didn't believe in specific Gods. Like I said, believing in God is completely different from believing that the God wrote a book. Atheists don't have any particular problem with deists. However, once you start waving that book around, and claiming that God was the author, then you're talking foolishness. 1 Like |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by honourhim: 4:06pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
PastorAIO: PastorAIO: Personally there are people that i dont engage in argument with because they make strong and balanced points and you are one of them. I only like to hear their opinion on issues, ask one or two questions (if any) just to pick more points from them. Your points are quite balanced and understandable here than people who go about quoting scriptures anyhow and misapplying it just to showcase God as one all loving man who cannot carry out severe judgment on evil at all. And yes like you said, me too i prefer total annihilation of evil men but i cant because its what i prefer begin to manipulate the scripture anyhow like these my brothers are doing, so as to suit my preference. It doesnt change anything rather it is self deceit. |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Hiswordxray(m): 4:32pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
frosbel:I mean I touch his heart. And it feels good to make God smile. God is the most emotional being in the whole universe. There was a time I watch a someone gave become born again. And as I stood there and watch God suddenly made me feel exactly what he was feeling. His love for that newly born again was so overwalming. As the person was saying the prayer I literaly felt like a father who just had a child, holding this new born baby in his hands he fell in love with the baby. He felt like he would do anything for his baby and even give the whole world to the child. After that I felt joy so great that I struggle to retrain myself. I wanted to jump and shout. God is so emotional and he desire that you know his heart. Please try to focus more on getting intimate with God. |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by lastmessenger: 4:56pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
PastorAIO:Now i understand.i think many scriptures suggest that there will be total annihilation of the ungodly. i have not settled on this anyway. 1 Like |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by honourhim: 5:02pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
lastmessenger: Based on what you read from those biased site given to you. . it will only satisfy your emotions but what will be remains. |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by PastorAIO: 5:09pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
honourhim: After emotions, what else is there? 1 Like |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by honourhim: 5:18pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
PastorAIO: . The real thing. I mean, believing in total annihilation wont make it to be if it is not what is on ground. |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by PastorAIO: 5:25pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
honourhim: Neither will believing in Hell make it to be if it is not what is on ground. |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by lastmessenger: 5:38pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
Please try and read them first before concluding that i am working with sentiments. The author never brought his thoughts and arguments outside the bible. The only thing he did is that he interpreted scriptures outside the traditional beliefs. Well like i said i am still reading and seeking knowledge and by his grace i will settled on this. honourhim: |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by PastorAIO: 5:41pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
lastmessenger: Please, I'd like to read these sites. Could you post the link here? |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by lastmessenger: 5:41pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
you guys are right. only God knows his plans and ultimate truth but human will remain humans and must ask questions and seek knowledge in any area that seems dark to him.May the great God be praised. AMEN. PastorAIO: |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by lastmessenger: 5:44pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
http://www.hellhadesafterlife.com/hell PastorAIO: 1 Like |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by honourhim: 5:55pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
PastorAIO: Yes of course. Like i said before, i prefer total annihilation. But it will be a great disappointment for them to believe that there will be total annihilation only to see its not so, and of course there are verses in the bible that shows its not, so they cant say they didnt see it rather they chose to see it the other way. For me it will be a thing of joy to see there is total annihilation for evil men. |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by PastorAIO: 5:57pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by lastmessenger: 6:06pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
uwc PastorAIO: |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by CAPTIVATOR: 6:23pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
" The wicked will be no more" - Psalm 37:9 - 11 |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by honourhim: 7:28pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
lastmessenger: I ve read a little of it but i still dont agree totally with him. Yet his approach is better than the game of deceit being played by folks here in their own defence. At least i ve not seen the man say that the hell that Jesus was talking about is just the grave like the agents of deceit here do. I ve not see him blame King James translation as these guys do here. This makes some sense than the basket of deceit being dropped here and there in the name of no-hell preaching.So far these are my observations. I ll still read more when i have time and make my points where i feel like. |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Image123(m): 9:06pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
frosbel: So Paine was the most intelligent people in the world? |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Nobody: 11:10pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
Image123: More intelligent than you for sure by a million miles - |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Image123(m): 12:12pm On Dec 27, 2014 |
Image123:@frosb |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Image123(m): 12:19pm On Dec 27, 2014 |
frosbel:Calm down and don't get ahead of yourself na. Someone said that " Even the most intelligent people in the history had a belief in God." You sarcastically replied with T Paine. The simple question i asked you is if Paine was the most intelligent. Answer that, i don't claim to be intelligent duh. Also are you more intelligent than Paine? |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Image123(m): 2:46pm On Dec 27, 2014 |
Sincere questions to frosb, lastmessenger, CAPTIVATOR, aio and others who are skeptical about hell fire. Do you believe that God will send devil(s) to hell, do you believe it will be forever? |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by McSterling(m): 3:48pm On Dec 27, 2014 |
frosbel:Have you read his classic "age of reason". Wonderful writ, that writ! 2 Likes |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by sinequanon: 4:45pm On Dec 27, 2014 |
PastorAIO: An experience can be a guidance or a stumbling block depending on how you choose to relate to it. PastorAIO: Ultimately, the desire to steal is a denial of ones own "latent" creative powers. Perfection is achieved through realizing that imperfections are a denial of your infinite being. 1 Like |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by lastmessenger: 7:03am On Dec 28, 2014 |
honourhim:from your statement above then I can conclude that we are in the same page. I have never denied hell or it's existence.i am only saying that what the guy is writing in that page makes a whole lot of sense. |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by lastmessenger: 7:12am On Dec 28, 2014 |
Image123:It is possible the devil may suffer forever( for the man who deceived the whole world) but for humans who lived a few years and committed timed offence I can't say with certainty that he will be punished forever. My point is based on the sense made by the authors of the site provided by frosbel. I believe there is always a just recompense of reward for the wrong committed by humans. The idea if total anihilation of the ungodly in hell is very much possible but like I said earlier I have not settled on this. |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by honourhim: 8:08am On Dec 28, 2014 |
lastmessenger: I ve read further on the site and the man made a lot of sense. He was just explaining what is written in the bible rather than the series of denial and blame game we ve seen here. He hasn't blamed any translation so far, He hasn't said that man has no soul rather he explained what(in his believe) Jesus meant by "destroying both the body and the soul". He hasn't said anybody smuggled anything into the bible. He is not even running helter skelter over the scriptures digging up quotations anyhow(whether it fits in or not) just to support his no-hell/eternal torment teaching. He hasn't abused any pastor or church leaders for whatever reason. I think this is the first time I'm seeing a sincere explanation free of manipulations, denials and abuses on this issue. Though I do not agree totally with him, yet his approach has soft pedal me. By the grace of God I'm not going to hell fire. If the people going there are totally annhilliated, good for them and I prefer they are. If they are not then that's for them too. |
Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by lastmessenger: 8:26am On Dec 28, 2014 |
honourhim:The most important thing is to choose life. |
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