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There is no such thing as "Islamic terrorism" terrorism is terrorism. Stop allowing yourself to be programed.

At least if anyone will program you, don't fall cheaply

Mynd44:
There is no such thing as "Islamic terrorism" terrorism is terrorism. Stop allowing yourself to be programed.

At least if anyone will program you, don't fall cheaply

yeah we know, just as most terrorists are Muslims.

Mynd44:
There is no such thing as "Islamic terrorism" terrorism is terrorism. Stop allowing yourself to be programed.

At least if anyone will program you, don't fall cheaply

Sense!

OP, and if you're ever gonna get programmed, I pray you won't get programmed by a cartoon.
Ayamlaykorn

bigiyaro:
yeah we know, just as most terrorists are Muslims.

I have not met a lot of terrorists but I know people who are feared in their community.

One killed his mother cos she was said to be a witch

One sent a child for deliverance

Another beats his nephew to the point of collapse for silly things.

Guess what, most of them are non muslims

Let them shy away frm it or better still cover the truth in d little way they can.


Look around u... weather u like it or not, in one way or the other every terrorist group hass it's root directly or indirectly frm islam.
Is it ISIS,boko haram, taliban etc..

You just name it...

tonybosses:
Let them shy away frm it or better still cover the truth in d little way they can.


Look around u... weather u like it or not, in one way or the other every terrorist group hass it's root directly or indirectly frm islam.
Is it ISIS,boko haram, taliban etc..

You just name it...

LRA
MEND
IRA
NAZI

Those are Islamic abi?

Islam has nothing to do with violence. It is just a pity that most of non-muslim have never sit on their own to make good findings. Most of all these stories are propaganda. To cut the whole story short, it is more than a year now, I mean around late 2013 when President Obama was raising money for the ISIS calling them freedom fighter, by then Obama and his US congress were looking for all possible means to overthrow Bashar Al-asad regime, while Russia and Chinese govt stood by him telling the whole world that ISIS are not a militant but a deadly group. American govt with their allies sponsor this group with the hope of falling the rulling party, but when the group started killing their citizen they now called them a terrorist group. Western world causing unrest around the world since 1700.

Mynd44:

I have not met a lot of terrorists but I know people who are feared in their community.

One killed his mother cos she was said to be a witch

One sent a child for deliverance

Another beats his nephew to the point of collapse for silly things.

Guess what, most of them are non muslims

one took his 13 yr old girl to BH to b used a tool to kill innocent people, the other one sent his boys to bomb kano central mosque with worshipers inside, a group of matured men kidnapped 100s of school girls last April, another group attacked school children in Pakistan the other day killing many innocent kids, can't mention all, guess what they all have in common? They are all Muslims. Like I said, terrorists kill harmless innocent people, and most of the terrorists I have come across are Muslims doing the work of Allah.

Hitler, nicholas ceaucescu, karadzic, stalin, franco were christian terrorists, LRA, MEND, ayo oritshejafor etc. Who used the atomic bomb(christians), who killed muslims in bosnia(christians), papa doc duvAlier is a christian.

Mynd44:

LRA
MEND
IRA
NAZI

Those are Islamic abi?

where do they get there inspiration from? Did this group claim they killed for God ? The quran is clear,,quran6:151 say take not a life EXCEPT for just caused,what's the just caused? If the people does not believe in allah or take what allah has forbidden ,all Muslim has the right to take such people life.

all I can say is , all xtians should harm demselvs cos dis tin has actually gotten outta hand. self justification on d part of our m. brodas is something else. end time is here already. Antichrist is here.

esin imo'le

malvisguy212:
where do they get there inspiration from? Did this group claim they killed for God ? The quran is clear,,quran6:151 say take not a life EXCEPT for just caused,what's the just caused? If the people does not believe in allah or take what allah has forbidden ,all Muslim has the right to take such people life.

The early century Christians killed people in the name for Christianity. Does that mean they are sanctioned by Christianity?

Humans will always find something to justify their crimes and find a way to live with themselves including hiding behind sone higher being telling then to go ahead.

Earlier this year in the DRC, Christians went on a killing spree of Muslims. Is that terrorism? Yes it is but does it mean Christianity support it? They are just people who developed enemies but need something to justify their madness.

They are terrorists, their business is terror

Mynd44:

The early century Christians killed people in the name for Christianity. Does that mean they are sanctioned by Christianity?

Humans will always find something to justify their crimes and find a way to live with themselves including hiding behind sone higher being telling then to go ahead.

Earlier this year in the DRC, Christians went on a killing spree of Muslims. Is that terrorism? Yes it is but does it mean Christianity support it? They are just people who developed enemies but need something to justify their madness.

They are terrorists, their business is terror

ok, where do this early Christians get there inspiration from? did Jesus teaches we should take vengence?

Mynd44:

LRA
MEND
IRA
NAZI

Those are Islamic abi?

Wt is this 1 saying? Go and google terrorism and instantly u wuld see islam.

Islam has bcum a tortoise in every "terrorism" related story.

malvisguy212:
ok, where do this early Christians get there inspiration from? did Jesus teaches we should take vengence?

They got it from the bible

Mynd44:



They got it from the bible

where in the bible Jesus advice his followers to take vengence? Infacte,Jesus heal a man who came to arrest him, is this the Jesus you are talking about?

malvisguy212:
where in the bible Jesus advice his followers to take vengence? Infacte,Jesus heal a man who came to arrest him, is this the Jesus you are talking about?

The same Bible that preaches that the Israelites should kill all the Amalekites. Including women children and animals

Mynd44:

The same Bible that preaches that the Israelites should kill all the Amalekites. Including women children and animals

1.those are the old testament law.the amalekites have been judge but God waited until there measure have been filled.
2.The Amalekites attacked the Israelites
without apparent provocation as they
were traveling during the Exodus ( Ex
17:. "When you were weary and worn
out, they met you on your journey and
cut off all who were lagging behind" ( Dt
25:17-18). They later attacked Israel
during the time of the Judges (Jdg 3:13)
and often raided the Israelites' land after
they had planted crops, leaving them
with nothing ( Jdg 6:2-5). God punished
the Amalekites by ordering Saul to
destroy them ( 1 Sam 15:2-3) - over 300
years after they had first attacked Israel.
During that time, the Amalekites had
contact with the Israelites and would
have heard about God. They could have
repented and changed their ways, but
they continued to raid and plunder other
cities up to the time of Saul and David (1
Sam 30:1-3). The Amalekites that Saul
and David warred against were clearly no
better than their ancestors who had first
waylaid Israel.

It sadden me how someone that claim to be a Christian accused God of murdering innocent people even when he knows that this people are not innocent.

malvisguy212:
1.those are the old testament law.the amalekites have been judge but God waited until there measure have been filled.
2.The Amalekites attacked the Israelites
without apparent provocation as they
were traveling during the Exodus ( Ex
17:. "When you were weary and worn
out, they met you on your journey and
cut off all who were lagging behind" ( Dt
25:17-18). They later attacked Israel
during the time of the Judges (Jdg 3:13)
and often raided the Israelites' land after
they had planted crops, leaving them
with nothing ( Jdg 6:2-5). God punished
the Amalekites by ordering Saul to
destroy them ( 1 Sam 15:2-3) - over 300
years after they had first attacked Israel.
During that time, the Amalekites had
contact with the Israelites and would
have heard about God. They could have
repented and changed their ways, but
they continued to raid and plunder other
cities up to the time of Saul and David (1
Sam 30:1-3). The Amalekites that Saul
and David warred against were clearly no
better than their ancestors who had first
waylaid Israel.

It sadden me how someone that claim to be a Christian accused God of murdering innocent people even when he knows that this people are not innocent.

So God declared that the inhabitants of the land were evil because they did not worship him and he chose to wipe them out by sending the Israelites after them just because they had other religion. Define that please....

Mynd44:
There is no such thing as "Islamic terrorism" terrorism is terrorism. Stop allowing yourself to be programed.

At least if anyone will program you, don't fall cheaply

Emmmmmm so these passages in the quran are just for fancy then;

Qur'an 2:191-193
And kill them wherever you find them and turn them out from where they have turned you out

Qur'an 3:151
Soon shall we cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, for that they joined companion with Allah

Qur'an 8:89
And fight with them until there is no more filna(disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah

Quran 8:39. "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do."

Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."

Bukhari 2:24: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."


Mohammed was the original terrorist.

Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshipped at the Ka'ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Muhammad came. Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact. But history is not on their side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this." (Who Is This Allah?, G. J. O. Moshay, 1994, p 138)

"But history establishes beyond the shadow of doubt that even the pagan Arabs, before Muhammad's time, knew their chief god by the name of Allah and even, in a sense, proclaimed his unity...Among the pagan Arabs this term denoted the chief god of their pantheon, the Kaaba, with its three hundred and sixty idols." (The Moslem Doctrine of God, Samuel M. Zwemer 1905, p 24-25)

Ifeann:


Emmmmmm so these passages in the quran are just for fancy then;

Qur'an 2:191-193
And kill them wherever you find them and turn them out from where they have turned you out

Qur'an 3:151
Soon shall we cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, for that they joined companion with Allah

Qur'an 8:89
And fight with them until there is no more filna(disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah

Quran 8:39. "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do."

Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."

Bukhari 2:24: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."


Mohammed was the original terrorist.

And the ones in the bible?

Mynd44:

So God declared that the inhabitants of the land were evil because they did not worship him and he chose to wipe them out by sending the Israelites after them just because they had other religion. Define that please....

These are events in the old testament which contains ancient passages that was recorded when God was setting up and giving Laws to his people the Jews over several thousands of years ago, before the coming of Christ who came and created our new and improved relationship with his father (600 years afterwhich Mohammed came to preach stonings, beheading, rape of married captives your right hand possessed, child marriage etc ), the same God you are told to believe handed the qu'ran to your prophet. The same prophet that affirms the massages in the torah and injeel as I will prove below with 2 verses;

1. It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) (Surah 3:3).
2. If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt. And be not thou of those who deny the revelations of Allah, for then wert thou of the losers (Surah 10:94-95; 16:43)

Even if you don't agree with Christians you have no right to question the bible, especially the old testament. Since it is the torah your prophet believed was rite and probably got his materials from.

I have made close to 100 posts asking Muslims politely (and NOT in the Muslim section as not to offend them) about why Islam and your prophet endorses, supports and encourages slavery or child marriage or paedophilia or sex with captives (that your right hand possess) or beheadings or stonings or revenge missions or assassination of his critics or the abrogations of revelations or polygamy(legalised adultery) or temporary marriage (legalised prostitution still practised by the shites) or Al Taqiyya (use of deceit) or Inc.est (he slept with his adopted son's ex wife after he divorced her since Mohammed lusted after her), or sex with sex slaves (which he did often), or No adpotion in Islam(there by leaving countless orphans destitute) or his irrational hate of wall garkos (little lizards) or dogs (mans best friend) or the 72 virgins which you will dis.virgin over and over again with your perpetual erections or his sharing of war booty or any other vice of your choice in the Qu'ran ...

You people want to remove the speck from the eyes of Muslims while ignoring the mass of mahogany in yours

Mynd44:

So God declared that the inhabitants of the land were evil because they did not worship him and he chose to wipe them out by sending the Israelites after them just because they had other religion. Define that please....

You fail to note that the OTHER religion weren't Islam.

Mynd44:

And the ones in the bible?

Check I have replied you on it.

Ifeann:


These are events in the old testament which contains ancient passages that was recorded when God was setting up and giving Laws to his people the Jews over several thousands of years ago, before the coming of Christ who came and created our new and improved relationship with his father (600 years afterwhich Mohammed came to preach stonings, beheading, rape of married captives your right hand possessed, child marriage etc ), the same God you are told to believe handed the qu'ran to your prophet. The same prophet that affirms the massages in the torah and injeel as I will prove below with 2 verses;

1. It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) (Surah 3:3).
2. If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt. And be not thou of those who deny the revelations of Allah, for then wert thou of the losers (Surah 10:94-95; 16:43)

Even if you don't agree with Christians you have no right to question the bible, especially the old testament. Since it is the torah your prophet believed was rite and probably got his materials from.

I have made close to 100 posts asking Muslims politely (and NOT in the Muslim section as not to offend them) about why Islam and your prophet endorses, supports and encourages slavery or child marriage or paedophilia or sex with captives (that your right hand possess) or beheadings or stonings or revenge missions or assassination of his critics or the abrogations of revelations or polygamy(legalised adultery) or temporary marriage (legalised prostitution still practised by the shites) or Al Taqiyya (use of deceit) or Inc.est (he slept with his adopted son's ex wife after he divorced her since Mohammed lusted after her), or sex with sex slaves (which he did often), or No adpotion in Islam(there by leaving countless orphans destitute) or his irrational hate of wall garkos (little lizards) or dogs (mans best friend) or the 72 virgins which you will dis.virgin over and over again with your perpetual erections or his sharing of war booty or any other vice of your choice in the Qu'ran ...

Events in the old testaments. Events in the new.

So the old testament is now void?

You are arguing the same bible that supports slavery ooooo

Mynd44:
You people want to remove the speck from the eyes of Muslims while ignoring the mass of mahogany in yours

So imagine this "speck" in Islam.

If your city was just attacked by the Jews for whatever reason be it you attacked first even or they provoked. They kill a lot of people u know. Massive massacre and they win. And after the raid your sisters, mother, aunts and several other women who are married are rounded up and brought to the head commander.
The head commander then tells his soldiers that if their right hand possess any of the women they can have sex with them, "just fu.c k her if you captured her. ". This scenario is in ur quran and hadiths
Isn't that rape. Could any of the women just willingly allow the soldiers to have sex with them after killing their people, while their husbands are still alive and probably tied up.

Sahih Muslim 8:29: “IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A CAPTIVE WOMAN AFTER SHE IS PURIFIED (OF MENSES OR DELIVERY) IN CASE SHE HAS A HUSBAND, HER MARRIAGE IS ABROGATED AFTER SHE BECOMES CAPTIVE.”
Qur'an (33:50)-"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee"
Qur'an (23:5-6)-"..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves.
See also Qur'an (70:29-30). The Quran is a small book, so if Allah used valuable space to repeat the same point four times, then sex slavery must be very important to him.
Qur'an (4:24)-"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess
Qur'an (8:69)-"But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good"
Have u seen it or u just won't accept it. I will give u time to see the full context from your Koran, this is evil and immoral.

These are the commands your man of allah gave to rape slaves, married slaves.

Mynd44:

So God declared that the inhabitants of the land were evil because they did not worship him and he chose to wipe them out by sending the Israelites after them just because they had other religion. Define that please....

why are you sounding like this? Dint you read my post? I say, the amalakites attack the isreal first when there are coming out from bondage and are tired they travelled for soo long still the amalakites attack them,they attack isreal again during the time of judges, but God did not punish them until they filled up there measure. After 300years God send David to war against them, this people were sacrificing there sons and daughters for there gods . Are you in support of them sacrificing there babies for there gods?

Mynd44:

Events in the old testaments. Events in the new.

So the old testament is now void?

You are arguing the same bible that supports slavery ooooo

Old testament is old law, has guidelines for keeping righteousness and punishment for sin. We live under the new covenant now.

If u weren't ignorant u would have know this, now I challenge you to bring a verse in the new testament like you find in Islam with so much violence.


You mentioned slavery in the ancient scriptures of the OT (old law). Here let me show you.

I am only going to explain 1 of the verses, if you want to understand the other ones, get a holy Bible, read the entire thing and ask me for information regarding the larger context and historical significance that is if you are too lazy to read the entire chapter.

Exodus 21: 7-11,
...And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to MARRY HIS SON, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as HIS DAUGHTER. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a FREE WOMAN without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

Remember, like I told you before, this is ancient law, thousands of years before Jesus and your prophet.

And notice i picked one of the worse verses about the treatment of slaves in the old testament, and yet it is better than your best verse on slavery.

what you didn't notice is that the Jews were ALLOWED TO MARRY SLAVES AND THEY ARE FREE TO LEAVE HENCE NOT AGAISNT THEiR WILL as the ending of that passage shows.

in your haste to embarrass the old testament you once again condemn the Islam as evil . Let's see how slaves are treated in Islam even if they are married to other slaves.

Qur'an (4:24)-"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." Even sex with married slaves is permissible.

Qur'an (8:69)-"But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good" A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part

Qur'an (33:50)-"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee"

Qur'an (23:5-6)-"..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves.

See also Qur'an (70:29-30). The Quran is a small book, so if Allah used valuable space to repeat the same point four times, then sex slavery must be very important to him.

Qur'an (24:32)-"And marry those among you who are single and those who are fit among your male slaves and your female slaves..." Breeding slaves based on fitness.
Qur'an (2:178)-"O ye who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the murdered; the freeman for the freeman, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female." The message of this verse, which prescribes the rules of retaliation for murder, is that all humans arenotcreated equal. The human value of a slave is less than that of a free person (and a woman's worth is also distinguished from that of a man's)

Now the new testament

Galatians 3:28p
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond(slave) nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

1 Corinthians 12:13:"For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond(slave) or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit."

Colossians 3:11:"Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond(slave) nor free: but Christ is all, and in all."