naijafan:

@Ex Inferis

Ok, I was once a Nokia prick and frankly, I still prefer it to Sony Ericsson or Samsung or whatever in that class. Now, the iPhone actually forced me to look outside the box and explore other devices and platforms such as the Blackberry and Windows Mobile.

During this phase, I couldn't help but see certain flaws in on the iPhone itself. I once had the iPhone and the N82 (before the N82 succumbed to salty beach water ). In brief, here it goes.

HSDPA 3.6Mbps - compared to 7.2Mbps on most Nokia (and Windows Mobile) phones since 2007.
No VGA front camera - been around since 2006 or earlier on lots of phones. None smartphones inclusive.
2MP camera with no video recording - No video recording? (Yes I know about Cycorder and the rest. But they will never make it to the AppStore.)
No flash, no auto-focus, slow shutter - you end up with blurry images except you've got really steady hands.
No hard keyboard - No hard feelings about this either. Although I'm much more comfortable with keyboards like Touch Pro's / E90's. They couldve found a way to put this in. Just my own opinion. I still find typing on the non-tactile screen fun.
No replaceable battery - Bad, very bad. My iPhone requires a charge everyday. . . and I don't even know where my headphones are, which means I don't use the iPod. But I'm still stuck. Not to mention the fact that I'll be on my own on a really really long journey. That rarely happens anyway. . . I keep it always plugged to my system. Not the best, if I may add.
No bluetooth PAN - Why I couldn't help but think about that every now and then. Typical of an iPod, but not practical for a mobile phone.
No memory extension - I don't like being locked without many options. . . but that's probably just me. If you ask tho, my iPhone still has about 3GB free and its the 8GB version.
Crippled bluetooth (no AD2P) - I thot that was supposed to be a standard already.
Locked device - Thank God for the iPhone Dev Team, and the third party developer community anyways. But Steve Jobs doesnt like you. . . with all those rules and regulations on using the iPhone SDK. Oh well. I forgot, he doesnt like me applying themes to my phone either.
No MMS, no Copy n Paste - I can't count how many times I've had to retype a lengthy URL for use in another application. . . or something similar. No MMS. . . sounds like a pre-2005 device. I miss picture messaging between my girlfriend (she uses a RAZR V3 for that matter) and I. And I'm not talking about the free tricks or somethn.
Crap SMS App - don't know what I would do without BiteSMS. SMS forwarding, SMS deletion, Phone number insertion, SMS Character Counter, etc.

Hmm. . .

[b]@Texazzpete & Ex Inferis[/b]I'm sure I'm not alone in this but what did the iPhone 3G have to offer existing iPhone users apart from a GPS chip and half speed 3G ? The hype was crazy but in the end, i really don't see a reason why i should purchase the iPhone 3G for just those additions. don't hype the next iteration without much info yet. Y'all might just get disappointed.

At least, with the N82 and the N95. . . Nokia gave us almost equal device specs, but one had xenon flash for photography freaks, and they came in different form factors. I for one don't like slide, so i went for the N82. What's the form factor difference between the two iPhones? Sure the next one will be the same. Remember I made a statement like this before the announcement of the iPhone 3G when you talked about how Nokia keeps releasing the same devices in diferent shapes. Apple took that same path, albeit. . . same devices in the same shape. Tell me, which is worse?


P.S. I love the iPhone and I know there's still a lot to be discovered as regards its capabilities when it comes to software, that is. But I don't appreciate when you shoot yourselves in the foot while trying to defend your 'fanboyism' which is what i see it as. Sure, we've got lots of blind Nokia and SE lovers in the house but its always understandable. Ignorance is a keyword here. But that shouldnt be the same with you guys.

The iPhone to me is the most influential phone of the decade. But that's where it stops.

This is a Nokia N97 thread and no doubt, comparisons with the Xperia, Touch HD, Omnia, and of course the iPhone are bound to occur. But let's still keep it a Nokia thread.

Ex Inferis:

i concur, except for one thing:


the iphone 3G was actually announced at Macworld 2007 when the first iphone was unveiled. steve jobs, on talking about EDGE as the data medium of choice in the iphone mentioned plans to release a 3G device down the road.

in essence, iphone 3G is not N97 to N95; that is, it is not a wholly divergent highend device from the original. its simply a revision, iphone-i (like you have N93i, etc). we do not expect a new iphone hardware iteration or major release (iphone 2, of sorts) until sometime 2009 in WWDC, certainly not in Macworld 2009 when Snow Leopard is set to debut and new iphone firmware revealed.

iphone 3G is a stop-gap measure hence the similarity to the first gen.


Naijafan, i agree with you on picking Nokia over SE or Samsung anyday. i once in a moment of foolhardiness bought the Samsung F480; its a looker sure but a darn thing slower than a crippled tortoise. the P1 i got as a hand-me-down got me wondering whether the SE R& have take one too many and slumbered on the design board. however its refreshing that SE has signed up with the OHA and is going the Android route, joining motorola and Lenovo in there.

i agree with you on the shortcomings of the iphone, particularly the battery. I'm not really into MMS, video recording, photos, bluetoothing etc so maybe thats why i don't sorely miss these features. a front-facing camera would have been nice to have in a sort of ichat way, and perhaps Photo Booth thrown in for good measure. i think apple screwed up in one major area: in their bid to make a device slimmer than the MotoQ, they left out features which would have added to battery drain, given the 480x320 screen is a juice monster. but A2DP in a multimedia phone is a no-brainer. Apple please fix this!

on, and free the phone too from itunes, give us Disk Mode! itunes is notorious for screwing up media libraries and third party apps worsen it. imtoo ipod transfer always deletes my media plist, as does Touch Copy and iphone PC suite.


but then, with all the missing features, the iphone does what it does pretty good sha.

as for 7.2 HSDPA, what network currently churns out that speed? the modems bearing 7.2mbps are capable of attaining that speed if and when it becomes available, not that they transfer data that fast. most 3G connections top out at 1.2mbps in real world speeds. its like having a multicore 3ghz CPU when your RAM is rated 600mhz! the CPU is capable of crunching data at 3 billion cicles per sec, except the bottle neck RAM can only turn up around 600mhz of throughput.

same with network links which are very notorious for not living up to spec. even your basic wireless router (not 802.11n) touts itself as 52mbps but try moving data over your local network and see if you can go anywhere near half that speed.

in sum, the 7.2 on nokia and other phones are rated capability, not realworld speeds. though thats not to say its not a good thing to have and we are hoping the next iphone in 2010 will have this capability built in: afterall the AppleTV and Macbook AIR are among the very first to debut the 802.11n draft standard.

texazzpete:

@naijafan
Good points, but you can't just compare two phones and highlight the difference as 'flaws'. For example, listing the lack of a hardware keypad as a 'flaw', whereas well recieved (and critically acclaimed) WinMo phones like the touch diamond and the Samsung Omnia have no physical keypad. In fact, software keypads tend to give you a full QWERTY, a feat that cannot be emulated on other non-touchscreen phones.
Would you feel i'd be making a good point if i score most N-Series phones low for having relatively smaller screens, no touch interface and no multitouch?

cabali:

Texazzpete has made so much sense.

cabali:

The diffence between a phone and another is not a flaw! what mayb interesting to u may not be for me. for instance the options a usual nokia phone offers may not be what i want from a phone as a business man.

cabali:

why should i care about mms when my phone can do documents? It all depends on what you want from a phone and ur kind of lifestyle.

cabali:

I will always go for smart phones because I need to be online always and work on documents (word, excel, powerpoint) and all. I go for a presentation and I project my slides directly from my phone, tell me, with that kind of lifestyle, will i say my phone not having a camera is a flaw??

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Neoteny:

i find that i make more errors pecking on those seed-like tiny kids on the E71 than i do on the iphone, same also on BB. thats not to say that everyone should do touchkeys and not physical ones; its a matter of preference. beleive it or not their are peope who prefer hunt-and-peck with a stylus!

cabali:

True!!

cabali:

do you own an E71 or a BB??

And must u own a phone to know its functions or matter of fact experience its functions?? please?

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mendax:

please, i wanted 2 find out also if it was possible 2 see any other directory on my phone apart frm my pix?
thanx also

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