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Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by malvisguy212: 8:32am On Jan 14, 2015 |
aanikky:there are many verses in the quran that liken Allah to a deceiver,reconciled surah 3:54 with the below verse; Surah 4:88: “Would you like to guide him whom Allah has led into error? And whomever Allah leads into error , then you will never find for him a way.” – Al-Qur’an How can Allah have pleasure in leading you to error?no doubt this is the character of satan.comperd it with this verse from the bible; Ezekiel 18:23: “‘Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked? saith the Lord Jehovah; and not in that that he should return from his way, and live?’” – The Holy Bible God plan is for the wicked to ask for forgiveness. The Qur’an contains more than a If you want to discuss the bible open a thread and ask, don't derailed this thread.moreover all the verse you quoted are for the Jews who rejected the grace of Jesus. |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by basilico: 5:30pm On Jan 14, 2015 |
What proof do we even have that Allah revealed anything to his prophet? Why did Allah not reveal to his prophet directly but instead over 20 years used his angel ? To answer this Angel Gabriel was sent to Mary and the illiterate Muhammad thought that by using the same Angel he would gain some credibility. Why would God reveal his promises to someone who in today's life would spend years in a slammer for murder, paedophilia, robbery with violence and crimes against humanity? The whole idea if arguing with Muslims is based on the premise that indeed God spoke to that prophet. I posit that real God would never speak to that criminal judging by his actions on today's weigh scale. Satan would gleefully have spoken to that Islam prophet judging by the fruits of his followers then and now #hebdoattackbymuslims |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by yazach: 5:57pm On Jan 14, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Hope you understand the message. Your reply states that you do not posses any of the qualities. |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by brocab: 6:02pm On Jan 14, 2015 |
Then you need to worship your God, Jesus is his name, Allah won't save you, Allah can't. "Question" We hear of many Muslims such as Isis murdering Christians, and others who refuse to believe in Allah, you have been fighting against the Jews, over the promise land God had blessed for centuries, You say you follow the same god, yet it seems you are contradicting yourselves when Muslim people are slaughtering innocent believers, because one calls his God by a different name. You say Jesus is just one of your prophets, {you mean to say one of your slaughtered prophets} not only a prophet, but the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. Jesus sits down at the right hand of "God" the Father in heaven. You believe in the Qur'an, then you would believe Jesus is called the Spirit of God. Qur'an 3:45-O Mary! Behold God gives you good News of a Word from Him, who shall become known as the Messiah, Jesus, Son of Mary. Qur'an 4:171- The Messiah Jesus Son of Mary. was only are Messenger of God, and His Word which conveyed unto Mary. The bible teaches that God's spirit is God himself, God is spirit, surely you would agree with this, how ever if you are the spirit of God, then you are God. Since that is nature. Don't you realize the bible had to be written by the spirit of God, teaches he's own disciples so people from all nations would believe in word and truth in the Old and New Testaments. God knew if his people stayed with the Qur'an they would denie his only begotten Son. And the evidence had proving it's self over time. His own people didn't recognize the spirit of God, a messiah had come, even the prophets before Jesus, were slaughtered because they foretold of Jesus's coming. Talk about rejection, and do you know everyone who follows Jesus is hated by the world, because they first hated him. Today shows the evident's Jesus is hated by all nations, look at you. And yet Jesus paid a price, died, forgiving you and I, to save the world. Today we hear of many believers are slaughtered every day by your people, Muslims like Jews believe in that same written book the Qur'an, and you still slaughter each other, God had blessed the land of Jerusalem. And Abraham had two sons, first one was from Hagar the slave woman, the other from Sarah again a son was born who God had blessed, and Sarah was called the free woman, and the Mother of all nations. The Qur'an was written before Jesus's time, by the prophets it was foretold {written} the messiah is coming, Qur'an 3:45, and still, even to this day, you still don't believe, Qur'an 3:39- God Gives you good news of { a son whose name is} John, Who comes to confirm a word from God. John the Baptise spoke of him of his coming. it was John who baptised Jesus and said: behold the savour of the world has come. Sending two of his disciples to follow after Jesus. And yet It was Jesus who stepped out of the Qur'an comfort zone, Jesus the spirit of God done many Miracles, walked on water, healed the sick, the blind now see, the dead had raised, people now walk, he had preached salvation, he taught in there synagogues, Jesus had showing the world the written messiah had come, and still they murdered him by crucifixion, Jesus the spirit of God was beating to the point that no-one could recognise him carried his cross to his death site nailed to a tree. Jesus then said: forgive them Father. Name another who could do the works Jesus had done. The prophets foretold his coming, to his death, and none like you had recognised him. no-one knew of him, and he stood before you all. And you still, don't believe. The prophets foretold In three day's Jesus has rising. So one can believe. Cant "Allah" recognize his own son, while sitting beside him? Qur'an It is not for God to take a son unto him, so it would be impossible for any son as a savour to sit on the right side of Allah. Allah sits alone? 1 John 1:6-If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we are liars and do not practice the truth. What has your god done for you, and others who believe? aanikky: |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by basilico: 6:22pm On Jan 14, 2015 |
@ annikay Why does Islam mention 124k prophets but names only 25? Where does Quran mention Jerusalem? And indeed if Jesus was a prophet in Islam What did he prophecy about according to the Qur'an? That Muhammad would cone after him and marry a six year old gal and consummate that marriage when she got to nine years while he was 54 years old? |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by brocab: 8:21pm On Jan 14, 2015 |
The bible had to be written because the people who believed in the Qu'ran would refuse Jesus, God's only begotten son, the savour of the world. Muslims and Jews read the same Qu'ran about Allah God, they believe in Abraham, they believe Jesus is the spirit of God. But yet Muslims-Jews have been in battle for centuries, Is it Because God blessed Israel? You are true brothers in word. Why? |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by Rilwon: 8:32pm On Jan 14, 2015 |
Ol boy, I don suffer enough ban for this side. mods just dey ban me anyhow, lastweek my rilwayne account was banned for 3weeks.
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Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by Rilwon: 8:58pm On Jan 14, 2015 |
@Truthman2012 aka my in law , i don't need to reply your off point rebuttal, I coud'nt help but laugh at your ignorance after reading your claim that the preceding of your first point was not talking about Pharao but Jonah because the Surah itself was named after Jonah LMAO..this further show that you don't go through what you copy and paste here for us, and you don't have a copy of a Quran as you claim on a thread. I believe any honest individual reading my rebuttal to your OP and reading your response will determine who is really on point.. I have to be gentle now, I dont want tis' mod to ban me again. @Moses aka malvisguy212 aka Mr. C&P , hmmmm, your usual act of a gainsayer copy and paste.. ol boy your own case is far worse than that of trutman, I always know when to reply you and when not to. So whenever you start to show cognisance to issue on point without copying and pasting of irrelevant posts, maybe I will start taking you serious then. @brocab....I don't know you and the nonsense you wrote is not an issue base on this thread. so carry your moro.nity away from here. Make i dey watch b4 dis mod sama me ban again |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by truthman2012(m): 9:03pm On Jan 14, 2015 |
Rilwon: Trash, quote the Pharao out in that chapter. |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by Rilwon: 9:04pm On Jan 14, 2015 |
malvisguy212: 2Ch And Micai'ah said, "Therefore hear the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing on his right hand and on his left; 2Ch 18:19 and the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab the king of Israel, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?' And one said one thing, and another said another. 2Ch 18:20 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD, saying, 'I will entice him.' And the LORD said to him, 'By what means?' 2Ch 18:21 And he said, 'I will go forth, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' And he said, You are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go forth and do so .' 2Ch 18:22 Now therefore behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these your prophets; the LORD has spoken evil concerning you." What's up with yahweh and his angels?. . . .Why are they lying and deceiving people? Or is this part of the lying justice of yahweh. . . . |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by truthman2012(m): 9:07pm On Jan 14, 2015 |
Rilwon: You should be banned over and over again because of the puerile and abuse manner you present issues. |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by truthman2012(m): 9:07pm On Jan 14, 2015 |
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Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by malvisguy212: 9:07pm On Jan 14, 2015 |
Rilwon:I copy and paste the verses because I know them,or is there law on nairaland not to reply copy and paste verses? You say the verse was talking about the honest Christians but the verse actually say otherwise"PEOPLE OF THE BOOK" some say "ASK THE FOLLOWERS" not ask the honest Christians as you put it. |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by Rilwon: 9:11pm On Jan 14, 2015 |
truthman2012: Quran 10:90-94 [b] And We took the Children of Israel across the sea, and Pharaoh and his soldiers pursued them in tyranny and enmity until, when drowning overtook him, he said, "I believe that there is no deity except that in whom the Children of Israel believe, and I am of the Muslims." Now? And you had disobeyed [Him] before and were of the corrupters? So today We will save you in body that you may be to those who succeed you a sign. And indeed, many among the people, of Our signs, are heedless And We had certainty settled the Children of Israel in an agreeable settlement and provided them with good things. And they did not differ until [after] knowledge had come to them. Indeed, your Lord will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection concerning that over which they used to differ. So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters. [/b] Oyaa say another thing |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by Rilwon: 9:14pm On Jan 14, 2015 |
truthman2012: lol hehehe....my inlaw, so you no like me? Have I ever insult you? |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by truthman2012(m): 9:17pm On Jan 14, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Don't mind him. Where does he get his bible and quranic verses other than islamic sites? Smh! He thought he could come here to present fabricated lies as rebuttal. |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by Rilwon: 9:22pm On Jan 14, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Thessalonians 2:11-12 [size=15pt] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: [/size] 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth,but had pleasure in unrighteousness . How do we reconcile the above verse with the one you quoted up there? |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by malvisguy212: 9:29pm On Jan 14, 2015 |
Rilwon:long before this happened, prophet micah had warn ahab not to fight the battle but ahab did not listen he even sought council with the worshippers of baal ,for this reason God pronounce judgment on ahab. 2Ch 18:20 Then A SPIRIT came forward and stood before the LORD, saying, 'I will entice him.' And the LORD said to him, 'By what means? The text say "a Spirit"if the spirit was one of the heavenly host the bible will indicate it. |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by malvisguy212: 9:33pm On Jan 14, 2015 |
Rilwon:this is the judgement for the reprobate nation. The context was talking about the" last day" they did not received the truth and they wanted to be saved, so God send them strong delusions. |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by Rilwon: 9:41pm On Jan 14, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Then how do you correlate this^^ with your earlier point that "God plan is for the wicked to ask for forgiveness" Was ahab allowed to ask for for forgiveness? 2Ch 18:20 Yahwwh himself approved the mission 2Ch 18:21 And he said, 'I will go forth, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' And he said, You are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go forth and do so. ' This indicate that the spirit was working for YahWeh and no other person, is'nt? |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by truthman2012(m): 9:48pm On Jan 14, 2015 |
Rilwon This your quran should be a concern to you muslims. Why is the story of Pharao's destruction so important to allah to the extent of referring Muhammad to the readers of the earlier Scriptures? Why did he not refer him to the wonderful works God did through Jesus Disciples? So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters. I insist that the fact that allah referred Muhammad to the earlier Scriptures (without your fabricated conditions attached), points to the truth that the Scripture is genuine. How come they come unto the (i.e Muhammad) for judgment when they have the Torah, wherein Allah hath delivered judgment (for them)? Yet even after that they turn away. Such (folk) are not believers (Quran 5:43). Even at Muhammad's time till today the Torah was valid for judgment, but only the people turned away from it according to Allah. Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso jugeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are evil-doers (Quran 5:47). The Gospel was also valid for judgment at Muhammad's time and till date. Say: "O People of the Book! (i.e the Jews and the Christians) Ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye standfast by the Law, the Gospel and all the revelations that has come to you from your Lord (Quran 5:71). How could Allah say Jew and Christian should standfast by the Law and Gospel if they have been corrupted? I think I have to point out that allah failed to mention the honest people of the Scriptures who were reciting the Book of Allah that was not in existence at that time. I also want to put it to you that no part of the earlier Scripture was to be committed to memory as they were written documents, unlike the quran that was to be memorized. The quran was not in a book form at the time of Muhammad, his jihadists committed them to memory and many were lost when some of them died in war, making the quran an incomplete revelation. 1 Like |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by truthman2012(m): 9:52pm On Jan 14, 2015 |
Rilwon: This is a distraction, keep to the topic of the threat. |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by Rilwon: 10:07pm On Jan 14, 2015 |
truthman2012: Have you accept my point here that you are ignorant? I insist that the fact that allah referred Muhammad to the earlier Scriptures (without your fabricated conditions attached), points to the truth that the Scripture is genuine. Have you accept my rebuttal to other points and you are left with the three above? |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by malvisguy212: 10:13pm On Jan 14, 2015 |
Rilwon:ahab was warn in 1kings 1:22 that if he goes to war at ramoah gilead he will die,infacte micaiah told him how the Lord will send a lying spirit to him, 1king 1:19-24 19 Micaiah continued, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with all the multitudes of heaven standing around him on his right and on his left. 20 And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’ “One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’ 22 “‘By what means?’ the Lord asked. “‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said. “‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the Lord. ‘Go and do it.’ 23 “So now the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The Lord has decreed disaster for you.” 24 Then Zedekiah son of Kenaanah went up and slapped Micaiah in the face. “Which way did the spirit from[ a] the Lord go when he went from me to speak to you?” he asked. They even slapped him read the full story here https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Kings%2022 God has already judge ahab long time ago but he allow him to filled up his measure,in 1 Kings 20:42 42 And he said to him, “Thus says the Lord, ‘Because you have let go out of your hand the man whom I had devoted to destruction, therefore your life shall be for his life, and your people for his people.’ ” |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by truthman2012(m): 10:16pm On Jan 14, 2015 |
Rilwon: Does it appear to you that I have accepted your rebuttals? I discovered you dodged the latest, that is why I brought them up again. Don't attach any conditions that are not related to the verses. |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by Rilwon: 10:23pm On Jan 14, 2015 |
truthman2012: Then am done with you.... I discovered you dodged the latest, that is why I brought them up again. Don't attach any conditions that are not related to the verses. I did'nt dodge anything mr. man , I dont expect a stiffnecked gainsayer to accept it, rather to clear up your lies in the OP I believe any honest person reading it will see that your claims have been refuted. You and moses can continue celebrating your delusions. have a nice day |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by Rilwon: 10:25pm On Jan 14, 2015 |
@moses, you no dey tire? always copying and pasting irrelevant post as response to poignant questions smh |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by malvisguy212: 10:35pm On Jan 14, 2015 |
Rilwon:I quote bible passages for you and you still called it copy and paste? Or do yoi want me to open my bible read the verse and type it? Are they not the same? |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by Nobody: 2:41am On Jan 15, 2015 |
brocab:Guy you must be mad, wait you were spreading the tale of your moon-god , what happened to that? I really will never understand how brains of idiots like you work. Let's do it this way, you know some other people have read this your 'tale of the moon-god' and now you want to change what we are talking about, Olohun o nii gba fun e. I'll appreciate it if you can swear about the credibility of all your tales, something like if you lie such and such should befall you and if you are truthfull such and such should befall on me. So I start first by saying my own: " If all what Brocab claims about the moon-god being worshipped by muslims and his new tale are both true, then God should punish me aanikky but if what Brocab says about muslims worshipping the moon-god and his latest tales are false then the punishment of the God I worship should manifest on him before the end of this month and if he doesn't denounce his claims by every means possible, the punishment should never cease, In the name of Allah" |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by truthman2012(m): 7:55am On Jan 15, 2015 |
Rilwon: Since your false fabrications have been faulted, I know there can be no more hidding places for you again. Note that you dodged those verses before and even now, they are still waiting for you in the future. Allah saying the earlier Scriptures are corrupted and still referring to them for decisions amounts to inconsistency. |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by brocab: 1:03pm On Jan 15, 2015 |
My Moon-God, you don't know your past? You say your a Muslim and yet you don't know any history about any of your own beliefs. Great? I'm I writing to someone who has no clue about your Allah god. Wow. You believe for what purpose, is it because members of your family believe. You write on here because you think many would believe in you-Allah a God who you twisted the true meaning against God himself. You have adopted Allah, Gods name, using it to savagely murder the innocents. Is this what kind of Muslim you are? What a joke. aanikky: |
Re: Reconciling The Quran With The Jews And Christians Scriptures by Nobody: 2:08pm On Jan 15, 2015 |
brocab:Whatever you say, I wont argue with you in as much as you later swear. You know I've had my own part done, please do yours, what should happen to you if all these are calumnies. |
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