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Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by Nobody: 2:40pm On Dec 28, 2008
Why are Arabs so quick to jump up and start protesting when they get a taste of their own medicine.
Hamas started launching rockets into israel immediately after the truce, none of them said anything, israel blows the whole place up, now they are chanting "death to isreal" and "death to america, the mother of terrorism",.
Did I miss something? Who are the people that are so eager to blow themselves and innocent people up in the name of jihad?

They say they want peace but shout slogans like "No to peace, yes to the rifle", kill indiscriminately but when one of them gets killed in retaliation, they shout REVENGE. Hey idiots, y'all started it.

I know Israel took their land and whatnot but why put innocent people's lives at risk launching rockets when you know they're going to send planes? SERIOUSLY undecided. Can't they think of a better way?

Israel kills our brothers in gaza, America kills our brothers in Iraq angry No you people do all the killing. You claim america kills innocent iraqi civilians. The suicide bombers ARE NOT AMERICANS.
Damned blood thirsty liars.
Just wanted to vent grin

I'm not taking sides but if I have some real guns in my house and you keep shooting at me with BB guns talking about "we got beef" angry. I'm gon' blow head off with my real guns.
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by Bastage: 2:43pm On Dec 28, 2008
Hamas started lunching rockets into israel immediately after the truce

No. Actually Hamas has been launching rockets whilst the truce was meant to be in place. They never stopped. Even during the cease-fire.
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by Nobody: 2:53pm On Dec 28, 2008
Damn, I wrote lunching grin I meant launching.
Anyway, they are crazy.
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by Bastage: 3:09pm On Dec 28, 2008
LOL. Didn't notice the "lunching".

The fact I was pointing out is that Hamas never even bothered abiding by the cease-fire rule when it was in place.
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by Kenezi: 4:48pm On Dec 28, 2008
Israel has been starving and killing Palestinians since 1948. Why shouldn't they fight back, for their people and their land? Israel also continued attacking Gaza during the truce, both sides are to blame for the fighting.

The only civilian deaths caused in Iraq and Afghanistan are by suicide bombers? You must forget that earlier this yeah the US military blew up a funeral procession, killing 70 children. You are biased, horribly.
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by JJYOU: 4:55pm On Dec 28, 2008
Kenezi:

Israel has been starving and killing Palestinians since 1948. Why shouldn't they fight back, for their people and their land? Israel also continued attacking Gaza during the truce, both sides are to blame for the fighting.

The only civilian deaths caused in Iraq and Afghanistan are by suicide bombers? You must forget that earlier this yeah the US military blew up a funeral procession, killing 70 children. You are biased, horribly.
point being?
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by Dede1(m): 5:03pm On Dec 28, 2008
Kenezi:

Israel has been starving and killing Palestinians since 1948. Why shouldn't they fight back, for their people and their land? Israel also continued attacking Gaza during the truce, both sides are to blame for the fighting.

The only civilian deaths caused in Iraq and Afghanistan are by suicide bombers? You must forget that earlier this yeah the US military blew up a funeral procession, killing 70 children. You are biased, horribly.

This is the making of a baseless non-starter clutching the wrong end of the history
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by udezue(m): 5:06pm On Dec 28, 2008
Seriously those ppl are stupid. Abeg I will defend myself by all means possible for I support Isreal. They are just like Hausa / Fulani ppl always thirsty for blood even at the detriment of their own people. They obviously have no value for life.
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by Nobody: 5:30pm On Dec 28, 2008
Kenezi:

Israel has been starving and killing Palestinians since 1948. Why shouldn't they fight back, for their people and their land? Israel also continued attacking Gaza during the truce, both sides are to blame for the fighting.

The only civilian deaths caused in Iraq and Afghanistan are by suicide bombers? You must forget that earlier this yeah the US military blew up a funeral procession, killing 70 children. You are biased, horribly.

We blew up a funeral procession and killed 70 kids. lol prove it.
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by hajifaty: 7:12pm On Dec 28, 2008
Israel is relying on the strength of the US to carry out their evil act against the Palestine pple. They really need to be wiped out.
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by oderemo(m): 7:20pm On Dec 28, 2008
one thing the isreahili, need to know is that the world power will shift one day from the gringoes and then they will ultimately need to make peace , it cant continue like this.
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by chidichris(m): 7:33pm On Dec 28, 2008
Israel is relying on the strength of the US to carry out their evil act against the Palestine people. They really need to be wiped out.[quote][/quote]
hajifaty,
many have thought the same thing as you did but the question remains, WHO WILL BELL THE CAT?

the act of wiping isreal is what the poor palestinians are carrying out on daily bases with their firing of rocket missiles and throwing of stones to isreali tanks.

why do we always jump up to express sympathy whenever there is a reaction from isreal?
why is it that no one dears to blame the hamas group for their actions.
since the palestine people do not value their lives, why won't isreal kill hundred of them for any isreali they kill.
hajifaty, are you sure this your new call to wipe isreal out of the surface of the earth is from your mind? why don't you go down there and join the suicide mission or will u be here asking the palestinians to continue dying?
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by Frizy(m): 7:46pm On Dec 28, 2008
Martian:

Why are Arabs so quick to jump up and start protesting when they get a taste of their own medicine.

Which medicine are you talking about? Did they attack Israel during the truce? angry


Hamas started launching rockets into israel immediately after the truce, none of them said anything, israel blows the whole place up, now they are chanting "death to isreal" and "death to america, the mother of terrorism",
.

This is the dumbest comment I have ever read in centuries. Hamas had only killed 16 Israelis with this so called rocket since 2001. While Israel whipped over 105 people under 5mins yesterday morning. Israel broke their promise, and they were the ones who started firing air strikes into Gaza not Hamas. angry angry

Did I miss something? Who are the people that are so eager to blow themselves and innocent people up in the name of jihad?

Another dumb statement. When will U.S stop killing people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, soon Pakistan. When? When will they learn to understand that this people don't want their fcuken policies and peaceful reconciliation to democracy? When angry

They say they want peace but shout slogans like "No to peace, yes to the rifle", kill indiscriminately but when one of them gets killed in retaliation, they shout REVENGE. Hey idiots, y'all started it.

There will be no peace for this people except they learn to mind their own businesses and stay the Bleep out of the entire Arab world. angry

I know Israel took their land and whatnot but why put innocent people's lives at risk launching rockets when you know they're going to send planes? SERIOUSLY undecided. Can't they think of a better way?

Better still tell your friends, the U.S and Israel to work a way out and leave Muslims alone. angry

Just wanted to vent grin

Same here.
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by hajifaty: 7:48pm On Dec 28, 2008
chidichris:

Israel is relying on the strength of the US to carry out their evil act against the Palestine people. They really need to be wiped out.

hajifaty,
many have thought the same thing as you did but the question remains, WHO WILL BELL THE CAT?

the act of wiping isreal is what the poor palestinians are carrying out on daily bases with their firing of rocket missiles and throwing of stones to isreali tanks.

why do we always jump up to express sympathy whenever there is a reaction from isreal?
why is it that no one dears to blame the hamas group for their actions.
since the palestine people do not value their lives, why won't isreal kill hundred of them for any isreali they kill.
hajifaty, are you sure this your new call to wipe isreal out of the surface of the earth is from your mind? why don't you go down there and join the suicide mission or will u be here asking the palestinians to continue dying?



chidichris, you are funny. how would you feel if u were told that a nigerian is risking his or her life because of so called Israel or Palestine? smiley
To face the reality, Israel is doing more than defending her territory this is a genocide. Israel her people need to be trial for genocide, they are not holy as they claimed to be.
Iran should be allow to deal with Israel.They are relying on the strength of BUSH administration which has come to its end Lets see what Obama have for them
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by hajifaty: 7:51pm On Dec 28, 2008
chidichris, you are funny. how would you feel if u were told that a nigerian is risking his or her life because of so called Israel or Palestine? smiley
To face the reality, Israel is doing more than defending her territory this is a genocide. Israel her people need to be trial for genocide, they are not holy as they claimed to be.
Iran should be allow to deal with Israel.They are relying on the strength of BUSH administration which has come to its end Lets see what Obama have for them
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by Frizy(m): 7:57pm On Dec 28, 2008
hajifaty:

chidichris, you are funny. how would you feel if u were told that a nigerian is risking his or her life because of so called Israel or Palestine? smiley
To face the reality, Israel is doing more than defending her territory this is a genocide. Israel her people need to be trial for genocide, they are not holy as they claimed to be.
Iran should be allow to deal with Israel.They are relying on the strength of BUSH administration which has come to its end Lets see what Obama have for them

Obama wont be any different. I can formally predict that he worships Israel. Yea, let Iran deal with this people. I really want them to be a thing long forgotten. angry
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by hajifaty: 8:39pm On Dec 28, 2008
Frizy, You are right. They are carrying out their evil act in the name of figthing terrorist. Can they fight the real terrorist if they see them.
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by romeo(m): 9:42pm On Dec 28, 2008
Frizy:

Obama wont be any different. I can formally predict that he worships Israel. Yea, let Iran deal with this people. I really want them to be a thing long forgotten. angry

Is Iran capable of doing that? 1967 and 1973 comes quickly to mind wink
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by auwal87(m): 9:55pm On Dec 28, 2008
@ poster

which year did you finished your primary school?

@ responders

the next time someone post like this, please do not respond, because you should Never argue with fools, they drag you down to their level.

the poster is a big fool
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by auwal87(m): 10:25pm On Dec 28, 2008
To the issue of Israel and Palastine conflicts.

The Jews started migrating to Palastine because they are suffering in Europe (especially Poland), at then the British were ruling in Palastine, they initiated a Mandate called the British Mandate (1920). This guys started flying to Palastine some as refugees, while some as legal migrants. Later on they form an organization called Hagana Jewish Defense Organization. During World War II both Jews and Arabs formed an Allied force to fight the Nazi. Jews had a special motivation for fighting the Nazis because of Nazi persecution of Jews and growing suspicions that the Nazis were systematically exterminating the Jews of Europe. These suspicions were later confirmed, and the extermination of European Jews came to be known as the Holocaust.

The Jews of Palestine responded to the White Paper and the Holocaust by organizing illegal immigration to Palestine from occupied Europe, through the "Institution for Illegal Immigration" (Hamossad L'aliya Beth). Illegal immigration (Aliya Bet) was organized by the Jewish Agency between 1939 and 1942, when a tightened British blockade and stricter controls in occupied Europe made it impractical, and again between 1945 and 1948. Rickety boats full of refugees tried to reach Palestine. Additionally, there were private initiatives, an initiative by the Nazis to deport Jews and an initiative by the US to save European Jews. Many of the ships sank or were caught by the British or the Nazis and turned back, or shipped to Mauritius or other destinations for internment. The Patria (also called "Patra"wink contained immigrants offloaded from three other ships, for transshipment to the island of Mauritius. To prevent transshipment, the Haganah placed a small explosive charge on the ship on November 25, 1940. They thought the charge would damage the engines. Instead, the ship sank, and over 250 lives were lost. A few weeks later, the SS Bulgaria docked in Haifa with 350 Jewish refugees and was ordered to return to Bulgaria. The Bulgaria capsized in the Turkish straits, killing 280. The Struma, a vessel that had left Constanta in Rumania with about 769 refugees, got to Istanbul on December 16, 1941. There, it was forced to undergo repairs of its engine and leaking hull. The Turks would not grant the refugees sanctuary. The British would not approve transshipment to Mauritius or entry to Palestine. On February 24, 1942, the Turks ordered the Struma out of the harbor. It sank with the loss of 428 men, 269 women and 70 children. It had been torpedoed by a Soviet submarine, either because it was mistaken for a Nazi ship, or more likely, because the Soviets had agreed to collaborate with the British in barring Jewish immigration. Illegal immigration continued until late in the war, apparently without the participation of the Mossad l'aliya Bet. Despite the many setbacks, tens of thousands of Jews were saved by the illegal immigration.

Reports of Nazi atrocities became increasingly frequent and vivid. Despite the desperate need to find a haven for refugees, the doors of Palestine remained shut to Jewish immigration. The Zionist leadership met in the Biltmore Hotel in New York City in 1942 and declared that it supported the establishment of Palestine as a Jewish Commonwealth. This was not simply a return to the Balfour declaration repudiated by the British White Paper, but rather a restatement of Zionist aims that went beyond the Balfour declaration, and a determination that the British were in principle, an enemy to be fought, rather than an ally.

On November 6, members of the Jewish Lehi underground Eliyahu Hakim and Eliyahu Bet Zuri assassinated Lord Moyne in Cairo. Moyne, a known anti-Zionist, was Minister of State for the Middle East and in charge of carrying out the terms of the 1939 White Paper - preventing Jewish immigration to Palestine by force. He was also a personal friend of Winston Churchill. The assassination did not change British policy, but it turned Winston Churchill against the Zionists. Hakim and Bet Zuri were caught and were hanged by the British in 1945.

The Jewish Agency and Zionist Executive believed that British and world reaction to the assassination of Lord Moyne could jeopardize cooperation after the war, that had been hinted at by the British, and might endanger the Jewish Yishuv if they came to be perceived as enemies of Britain and the allies. Therefore they embarked on a campaign against the Lehi and Irgun, known in Hebrew as the "Sezon" ("Season"wink. Members of the underground were to be ostracized. Leaders were caught by the Haganah, interrogated and sometimes tortured, and about a thousand persons were turned over to the British.

After the war, it was discovered that the Germans had murdered about six million Jews in Europe, in the Holocaust. These people had been trapped in Europe, because virtually no country would give them shelter. The Zionists felt that British restriction of immigration to Palestine had cost hundreds of thousands of lives. The Jews were now desperate to bring the remaining Jews of Europe, about 250,000 people being held in displaced persons camps, to Palestine.

In the summer of 1945, the Labor party came to power in Great Britain. They had promised that they would reverse the British White Paper and would support a Jewish state in Palestine. However, they presently reneged on their promise, and continued and redoubled efforts to stop Jewish immigration. The Haganah attempted to bring immigrants into Palestine illegally. The rival Zionist underground groups now united, and all of them, in particular the Irgun and Lehi ("Stern gang"wink dissident terrorist groups, used force to try to drive the British out of Palestine. This included bombing of trains, train stations, an officers club and British headquarters in the King David Hotel, as well as kidnapping and murder of British personnel. In Britain, newspapers and politicians began to demand that the government settle the conflict and stop endangering the lives of British troops.

The US and other countries brought pressure to bear on the British to allow immigration. An Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry recommended allowing 100,000 Jews to immigrate immediately to Palestine. The Arabs brought pressure on the British to block such immigration. The British found Palestine to be ungovernable and returned the mandate to the United Nations, successor to the League of Nations. The report of the Anglo-American Committee provided a detailed summary of the British mandate period and the security situation in Palestine, as well as a report on the effects of the Holocaust and the condition of European Jewry.

The United Nations Special Commission on Palestine (UNSCOP) recommended that Palestine be divided into an Arab state and a Jewish state. The commission called for Jerusalem to be put under international administration The UN General Assembly adopted this plan on Nov. 29, 1947 as UN Resolution (GA 181), owing to support of both the US and the Soviet Union, and in particular, the personal support of US President Harry S. Truman. Many factors contributed to Truman's decision to support partition, including domestic politics and intense Zionist lobbying, no doubt. Truman wrote in his diary, however, "I think the proper thing to do, and the thing I have been doing, is to do what I think is right and let them all go to hell."
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by auwal87(m): 10:39pm On Dec 28, 2008
The Israel government are long time terrorists backed by the US.

They created so many deadly diseases and spread them across africa (with proof).

Besides, have you ever seen a rejoicing Israeli? They are always frustrated.
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by dayokanu(m): 10:56pm On Dec 28, 2008
@Frizy, You are very ignorant!!!

The whole arab world combined together was defeated by Israel.

Were you not alive when Saddam launched scud missiles at israel during the Gulf war unprovoked.

This is the dumbest comment I have ever read in centuries. Hamas had only killed 16 Israelis with this so called rocket since 2001. While Israel whipped over 105 people under 5mins yesterday morning. Israel broke their promise, and they were the ones who started firing air strikes into Gaza not Hamas.


How many people have been killed in Suicide attacks during the period you mentioned.

Moreover who worked the ratio that for every person you kill I should kill one of yours?

So If you rape my sister, i should tell you to bring your sister out to rape?
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by idiopathic: 11:21pm On Dec 28, 2008
Hi Nairalanders, It is too easy and simplistic to criticise Israel. However the state of Israel was formed, it is here to stay. We need to look at how a palestine and israeli state can exist together in peace and harmony. Unfortunately, i don't think Hamas are ready for peace as this would render a lot of their fighters idle and jobless.
Hamas claims to be a democracy yet declared Gaza an Islamic state without the feelings of other minorities eg christians, jews etc. They continued to fire rockets into Israel even when the ceasefire was in place.
They enjoy using their people (palestine) as human shield while firing rockets into israel from heavily populated areas hoping that the casualty of attacks by israel would make them appear as victims.
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by idiopathic: 11:27pm On Dec 28, 2008
Why do Arabs/Moslems cry foul whenever Israel responds to Palestine attacks. Where were they when Hamas repeatedly fired rockets to Israel in the past 6 months.
These same Arabs who always claim to extol justice have constantly blocked all UN resolutions aimed at condeming the Arab aggression of black africans at Darfur. The Arabs in Sudan have been killing, maiming and raping black africans in Sudan and cleasing large expanse of land of Africans. What manner of hypocrisy is that?
Those of you who ardently support your muslim Arab brothers should go to North Africa and see how blacks are treated.
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by idiopathic: 11:37pm On Dec 28, 2008
Does anyone really think that Israel leaving the occupied lands will cease attacks on them. No!
If you remember, a couple of years ago, the palestines were crying for Israel to leave Gaza. Sharon quit Gaza and in the process, forcible evicted numerous Isrealis living in Gaza.
How did Hamas respond to this gesture? They used Gaza as a launching pad to send rockets and missiles to Israel. Some prominent hamas millitants have vowed to continue fighting until they succeed in introducing Shariah into Israel.
Why do muslims cry foul that America is supporting Israel? Afterall, all the Arabs and entire muslim world is supporting Hamas. Shouldn't Israel have a supporter?
Any attempt to wipe out israel would lead to destroying the whole middle east including the muslim holy places of mecca and medina. Fellow muslims, Is that worth it?
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by idiopathic: 11:53pm On Dec 28, 2008
If one looks closely, you will see a pattern of intolerance among Muslim nations. If we start from Nigeria, we are all witnesses to how Christians and other minorities are persecuted in northern Nigeria. The killing of southerners and burning of churches at the least provocation. We can still remember how a teacher was killed by her own pupils for throwing the Koran out of a window, how a man was beheaded in prison for desecrating the Koran and the demands in Sudan for beheading a British volunteer teacher for naming a teddy bear Muhammad. We saw how the demostrations and killings while protesting the "Muhammad cartoons" and the killing of a dutch novelist for expressing an opinion.

We should not allow ourselves to be bullied by these Muslim thugs. They always claim to be fair and just, but try living in an Islamic state and you would understand why these claims are hollow.
Take a look at most of the conflicts around the world, and notice a pattern:
1) Yugoslavia: Muslims in Kosovo claiming persecution.
2) Southern Thailand: The Muslim majority south have been beheading a number of Buddhist monks in their fight for independence.
3) Kashmir in India: The islamists have been attacking India claiming they are oppressed.
4) Philippines: Muslim dominated region is currently fighing for independence
5) China: Muslims in border with Pakistan threatened to bomb the Olympics.
6) Russia: The Chechen's, indochetians have all been fighting for independence.
7) Somalia
cool Sudan
It appears Muslims are unable to live with others without feeling persecuted resulting in the always taking up arms against the host states. Do they have a siege mentality or mass paranoia?
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by idiopathic: 12:16am On Dec 29, 2008
I live in the UK which is very liberal and permissive country. There are over 800 Mosques built in the UK, numerous faith schools, Muslim MP's and Muslim Lords. However, Moslems have continued to feel marginalised and constantly moaning and complaining.

Can anyone even begin to compare the treatment of moslems in western world to how non-moslems are treated in Moslem countries. How many churches can be freely built in Arab countries? They are given Asylum in western countries, but yet, they turn round to bomb these host nations.

During the Kosovo crisis, the west supported the moslems helping them create a muslim Kosovo in a predominantly christian balkan country. How many serbs have been bombing kosovo? We don't see serbs sending suicide bombers into kosovo. Can any block of Muslim countries ever condone the creation of a christain nation in a predominantly islamic region.

India is another case study to highlight my argument. After the partition of India in 1947, you had millions of Hindus living in Pakistan and Muslims living in India. However, look at what has happened to the population of Hindus in Pakistan. They have gradually shrunk in size over the years and now almost negligible. However, take a look at the Muslims in India, they have multiplied and prospered and have served as "Presidents" in India. This is because, India was a more permisive state respecting the rights of Muslim minority. However, the moslems have continued to complain of marginalisation and have been launching attacks in India.

My fellow Nairalanders, the truth is that Islam is an intolerant religion and cannot be pacified. Force is the only language they understand and Israel is doing the right thing to defend itself.
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by Kenezi: 12:45am On Dec 29, 2008
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7578152.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7501538.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3297575.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1740538.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7710566.stm

Be proud, Martian.

This is a thread discussing the Israel situation, however. idiopathic, you complain that Hamas declared Gaza and Islamic State, then the Zionists declared Israel a Jewish state. People like you will be the ones screaming and shouting for the impending ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people.
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by ono(m): 12:59am On Dec 29, 2008
I can only tow the line of world leaders here: I urge all the parties concerned in the Middle East to exercise restraints while going about solving the crisis situation there.
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by idiopathic: 1:00am On Dec 29, 2008
Kenezi, unfortunately, you have failed to address any of the issues  have raised. Where were you when Arabs in Mauritania were cleansing the country of black Africans? Or the uprooting of black africans by Arab-backed Militias?
The point is Moslems are quick to shout "injustice". It is time thay look a themselves on the mirror and stop blaming others for their woes.
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by IGWEUSA(m): 1:01am On Dec 29, 2008
It is high time for all these Jihadist proponents to re- evaluate their religious doctrines, and understand the problems they are causing for the innocent muslims.
Re: Israel And The Arab World Part 198894488 by Nobody: 1:15am On Dec 29, 2008
Kenezi . . . are you aware that at the same time as we are discussing this . . . Turkey is bombing Kurdish strongholds in Iraq?

Strange that no one of these arab crowd is crying foul.

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