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Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by Ikengawo: 9:14pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
[size=50pt]IKENGAWO V. APC[/size] I challenged a series of APC member to debate me and not one had the courage to step up to the plate. So this is my official debate thread with all of Nairaland APC. Subject: President Goodluck Jonathan CCAF's Performance in his First 6 Years. Challenge: Give me any accusation, assertion, or belief held by APC towards Goodluck Jonathan and I will strike them all down with facts, evidence, and logic. I advise my fellow supporters of the transformation to let me handle this one alone, and I guarentee you that half of APC's online campaigners will switch to supporting President Goodluck Jonathan by the end of this thread. 12 Likes |
Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by Ikengawo: 9:16pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
Rules: One issue Per Post. I will only respond to posters that address one issue at a time Keep lettering small. I will only respond to posts that use small lettering. I will use lager letter heads so that those reading the thread will have an easier time seeing the difference between questions and rebuttals No Insults: any post with an insult will be ignored Unique subjects only: I will not address subjects that others have already address previously. 1 Like |
Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by Ikengawo: 9:17pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
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Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by major466(m): 9:19pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
Following. 1 Like |
Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by Jokay07(m): 9:19pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
What do you stand to gain by supporting a clueless government? Let's start from here. Firstly briefly explain to me why ''stealing is not corruption'' as it was pellucidly propelled by your master. 13 Likes |
Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by Tundeajani(m): 9:22pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
tell me why you are not a bast,,, like doyin okupe 3 Likes |
Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by Seaen(m): 9:26pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
Why does the president's body language and some actions support corruption. 4 Likes |
Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by Nobody: 9:27pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
Jokay07: 2 Likes |
Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by Elslim: 9:31pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
how many lives does shekau have? |
Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by bokohalal(m): 9:40pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
@Ikengawo, how do you reconcile a statement by Goodluck Jonathan "how much did Nwobodo steal that he had to be jailed? " and "we are going to use technology to fight corruption? " Do you agree that Nwobodo should have been jailed for being corrupt? Is corruption technology proof? How do you use technology to stop inflation of contracts and kickbacks? 4 Likes |
Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by Ikengawo: 9:42pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
Jokay07: Great, let get it started. Stealing: take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it. Corruption: 1. dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery. Conclusion: If a man steals money from the government, that man is stealing. If that man is given power over the money and uses that power to enrich himself, that's corruption. A teacher that asks students for bribes to make marks is corrupt because he is using his authority in a debased was to enrich himself that contrary to what we trust a teacher to do and be. A armed robber robbing that same teach is just steal his or her money and the robbery does not fit the definition of steal. President Jonathan fights corruption so that it will end stealing. For example, Obasanjo would simply chase the individuals who he felt were stealing money to give the illusion of fighting corruption. Meanwhile he was withhold the budget of the entire state of Lagos, starving that state of it's deserved money which is corruption. GEJ understands that chasing every thief in a corrupt system doesn't work. Corrupt is like an open window and the flies that come in are the thieves. Obasanjo was cashing each fly with a new paper, GEJ simple closes the window [size=20pt]How does he do this?[/size] 1. Freedom of Information Act: Under GEJ it's impossible to use government money without publishing the records of your spending. Because of this we found out that people were using the fuel and fertilizer subsidies to enrich themselves corruptly. Because of this we found out about Stella Oduah's bulletproof cars, because of this we have closed the gates on corruption, 2. Ghostworkers: GEJ has used the Freedom of Information act to discover that thousands of ghost workers existed in the system that were being used to funnel money to corrupt officials. Federal government has eliminated all off them to date. Because of the FOI bill GEJ crushed the corrupt system or the open window. http://ynaija.com/politico/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/GHOST-WORKER..jpg 3. Cashless Economy: GEJ has issued a cashless economy. Most important aspect of this is that government money is no longer doled out in cash and Ghana Must Gos. Government money is now digital. So if someone steals, we know immediately. If someone is corrupt, we catch them immediately, and thanks to GEJ Ngozi Okonjo Iweala and Sanusi Lamido Sanusi Nigeria now runs a modern accountable financial system. While our fight against corruption is going to be a long one and we're no where near where we need to be as a nation, here is direct irrefutable evidence proving that we have improved under President Goodluck Ebele Jonathan 2002:OBJ [size=20pt]Nigeria Ranked Second Most Corrupt Country[/size] Nigeria was yesterday ranked second most corrupt country behind Bangladesh for 2002.Read more: http://www.onlinenigeria.com/adprint.asp?blurb=78#ixzz3QWnTO8Xz 2014: GEJ [size=20pt]Nigeria now 39th most corrupt nation, says TI[/size] The global corruption watchdog, Transparency International, has ranked Nigeria as the 39th most corrupt nation in the world.http://www.punchng.com/news/nigeria-now-39th-most-corrupt-nation-says-ti/ 38 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by OtunbaJega: 9:46pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
Why is electricity still unstable depite the billions spent?... Can you please highlight Nigeria's progress in line with the UN Millenium Development Goals... Poverty Environment Health 3 Likes |
Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by OtunbaJega: 9:47pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
Oga you don start your copy paste....u aint ready for a debate abeg 2 Likes |
Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by Ikengawo: 9:47pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
Jokay07, thanks for getting this started for all of us. Your concerns sound like that of many genuinely concerned Nigerians so I'm happy to so you bring this issue to the table so early in the debate. I also want to thank you for keeping insults and emotions of our your question and hope to see others follow your example because you've set a good benchmark to be judged by. [img]http://2.bp..com/-0Z2OyT3rsjw/UiIk02mP0AI/AAAAAAAAZ0g/9pUjexCPBJ0/s1600/Goodluck+Jonathan.jpg[/img] 10 Likes |
Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by Nobody: 9:47pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
You are asking questions, why not sell your buhari to us here? |
Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by OtunbaJega: 9:47pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
Meanwhile Sai Buhari 7 Likes |
Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by ayukdaboss(m): 9:49pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
On a very light note...Where is our $20billion Ikenga?? 2 Likes |
Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by ayukdaboss(m): 9:50pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
[s] customized13:[/s] Create your own thread instead of derailing this one that a sensible PDP supporter has created. 8 Likes |
Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by OtunbaJega: 9:50pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
[size=48pt] LIAR. You think say we be fool abi In 2002 Transparency international ranked only 102 countries... 101/102 In 2014, Transparency international ranked 174 countries... Extra 72 countries ..Nigeria is 136/174. So what's the difference.............. OP you are a foooooool [/size] Check http://www.transparency.org/cpi2014/results [size=38pt] Nigeria is only ahead of countries at war like Somalia, Sudan, North Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Haiti, Burundi, Syria, Chad, Uganda, ukraine, Russia, Guinea. etc[/size] 7 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by Nobody: 9:51pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
ayukdaboss:this isn't what a debate is, we need to pick focal points of discussion, not asking questions about your opponent. Sell your candidate. 1 Like |
Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by teemanbastos(m): 9:53pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
What is Fayose still doing as govnor? Unda a cluess administration would a beast allow 7 to be greater dan 19? |
Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by meforyou1(m): 9:54pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
Have challenged obiagelli for a similar debate, the only APC supporter that I respect. Can't debate with berem, because she is more or less a sister, while that dunce barcanista is so empty-headed. Will be on this thread till the end. Ikengawo isn't the man forever, the bomb throwing, intolerant terorrism sponsoring janjaweedeans are in for a big roasting. Where's bokkohari's certificate for a start? It's not with the army, not with Cambridge, not with WAEc, not with INEC. Let's hear a new lie 2 Likes |
Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by ba7man(m): 9:55pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
A wise man once told me "don't argue/debate with f00ls"......'Cause peope from a distance can't tell who is who...... JAY-Z. 1 Like |
Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by Nobody: 9:56pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
Sai buhari Btw federal hospitals are still not open for over 3 months. 4 Likes |
Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by Nobody: 9:56pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
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Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by Dbboy(m): 9:58pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
APC would rather turn blind than participate in this debate all the do is shout corruption without any proof. 4 Likes |
Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by CyberTerrorist: 9:59pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
Ikengawo, we are in support of you..ride on.. 7 Likes |
Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by OtunbaJega: 10:00pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
[size=28pt]Nigeria and Mexico approached China for credit facility to rebuild their railway systems (and other infrastructure). whether they both got the money or not, why will our own be old slow speed train? Look at what each country did with the money. When do we stop celebrating mediocrity? or does it mean that our leaders don't know the speed differences between the trains or that they don't see train abroad but if they want to buy car, they buy the latest model Nigerians are celebrating train that runs low Km/ph, whereas other countries are now phasing out to what we called speed train for intercity transport. Take a look at the differences[/size] http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1506229/li-pledges-larger-credit-line-high-speed-rail-technology-africa http://www.chinaafricarealstory.com/2010/08/real-cost-of-chinese-railway.html 2 Likes
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Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by teemanbastos(m): 10:00pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
What is Fayose still doing as govnor? Unda a cluess administration would a beast allow 7 to be greater dan 19? Chibok girls have been abadoned yet GEJ said he will find them inxtead he dy find certificate. Why was Sanusi suspended? Bkos he tok the truth? Even failed to congratulate him at first when he was made Emir and now he dy solicit his votes? OBJ asked GEJ 'WHY DID YOU FAIL TO GO AFTER B'HARAM when i told you to?!' why pardon alameighsiya and olabode george.. juxt to increase ur chances of holding down dose respective states. His Lies. 1.MEND nt responsible for Oct 1 bombing. Cos of election Okah wanted to assasinate me. Foolish talk.... How can a citizen want to assasinate a GCFR and yet he does ntn abt it? 2.EFCC and ICPC were deadened during his administration. |
Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by OtunbaJega: 10:01pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
Ikengawo: [size=38pt]NEXT![/size] 3 Likes |
Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by Ikengawo: 10:02pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
bokohalal: Good question bokohalal, While Corruption isn't technology proof, government, businesses and organizations have discovered around the world that technology and corruption can't live in the same sphere. Technology creates transparency. For example, when APC lied about it's crowd in Kano, it was the power of social media and the internet that allowed Nigerians to discover this fake crowd was from a religious rally in a SWern state. So, corrupt gives whistle blowers power they never hard and takes away secrecy that the corrupt use to survive. GEJ was saying this. Buhari wants to simple jail anyone he personally catches doing 'corruption'. But as we've seen with him trying this in the past, it doesn't work and did not salvage Nigeria. It becomes a game of political hunting. Will Atiku and Tinubu be arrested? No. But what GEJ does is create a situation where it's impossible for Atiku and Tinubu to steal or abuse power using technology [size=20pt]How he does this [/size] 1. Cashless Economy: The 'Ghana Must Go' era is over. The Cashless Economy makes all government transactions digitally based as is done in the modern world. This means that individuals that want to send billions abroad will leave a paper trail. This paper trail is available to the media with the Freedom of Information Act. This FOI bill gives them evidence to strike cases against corrupt officials or blow the whistle putting pressure of officials and police to act, which they do under GEJ. 2. YouWin: President GEJ realizes that the youth world wide are the primary engine for innovation, so his solutions is simple. Youth that come up with business ideas that improve the nation are given government grants and contracts to enrich themselves and spread the contribution. Many youth have devised technology that aid in tracking corruption, government spending, or making government information accessible to common people. This has lead to more awareness of corruption in Nigeria as you'll read in the article below. Stella Oduah, GEJ's own ally and minister, bought cars at an inflated price which is corruption. This information was public (which she clearly didn't know) because of the Cashless Economy and Freedom of Information Act or simply said: Technology. The nation went into uproar and Stella was taken away from a power she couldn't handle in an honest way. Technology is the best way to fight corruption because GEJ doesn't control technology, the people do. Simple arrests of corrupt political enemies aren't because government controls arrests, the people don't. Technology can never be political like witch hunting and jungle justice styles of fighting corruption. Here is the evidence as to how technology has dropped corruption in Nigeria [size=20pt]How Technology Aids The Fight Against Corruption In Nigeria And The World[/size]
http://thebusinessaim.com.ng/how-technology-aids-the-fight-against-corruption-in-nigeria-and-the-world/ 13 Likes |
Re: Ikengawo Vs. All Of Nairaland APC (Official Debate) by OtunbaJega: 10:04pm On Feb 01, 2015 |
...........So how them take arrange $10million naira in a cashless economy.... Op u dey craze [size=58pt]CAN President, Oritsejafor, admits ownership of cash-stacked jet seized in South Africa [/size] http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/168224-can-president-oritsejafor-admits-ownership-of-cash-stacked-jet-seized-in-south-africa.html A private jet seized weekend by South African authorities with a stack of $10 million in cash meant for arms purchase, belongs to the head of the Nigerian Christian community, the aviation ministry confirmed Tuesday. Ayo Oritsejafor, the president of the Christian Association of Nigeria, CAN, had however leased the jet to another party, a top official of the ministry told PREMIUM TIMES, meaning Mr. Oritsejafor had no control over the use of the aircraft. Mr. Oritsejafor’s church also confirmed the ownership in a separate statement Tuesday. The church said the pastor has a “residual interest” in Eagle Air, a company that manages the aircraft. “On behalf of Pastor Oritsejafor, we can confirm that although he holds an interest in Eagle Air, the aircraft in question is not operated by Pastor Oritsejafor,” the statement by The Word of Life Bible Church said. The aircraft was leased to, and is operated by Green Coast Produce Limited since August 2, the statement added. In an earlier statement, Eagle Air Company admitted ownership of the jet held in South Africa for conveying $9.3 million cash for alleged arms deal. Two Nigerians and an Israeli were caught with the money allegedly meant for buying and supplying weapons to the Nigeria intelligence services. City Press, a South Africa-based newspaper had reported that the trio, who are already facing investigations, landed at Lanseria International Airport, Johannesburg on September 5, in the jet from Abuja with the money loaded in three suitcases. The spokesperson for the South African Revenue Service, SARS, Adrian Luckay, confirmed that customs officers became suspicious when the passenger luggage were unloaded and scanned. In a statement by its General Manager, Emmanuel Ohaeri, Eagle Air Company also claimed holding a “residual interest” in the aircraft, a Bombader Challenger 600, Registration No 808HG. The company however said it leased the aircraft to Green Coast Produce Limited since August 2. The statement said, “Our attention has been drawn to press reports in respect of an aircraft (Bombardier Challenger 600, Registration No N808HG) in which our company holds a residual interest. “We wish to confirm that the said aircraft has since the 2nd of August 2014 been leased to and is operated by Green Coast Produce Limited. The company and Mr. Ortisejafor’s church advised that all media enquiries in respect of the day-to-day operations of the aircraft be directed to the management of Green Coast Produce Limited. In yet another statement, the management of Green Coast Produce Company Limited confirmed the aircraft had been leased to it, saying such transactions were normal in the aviation industry. The company explained that the aircraft was in turn hired from it by one John Ishyaku and therefore would not be liable for any alleged infractions either in Nigeria or South Africa after the hire. The company’s director, Shima Adun said in the statement that “On the 5th of September 2014 the aircraft was hired from us by a John Ishyaku. The charter to John Ishyaku was upon the following documented terms: (a) Depart Abuja-Johannesburg on the 5th of September 2014 (b) Return to Abuja on the 6th of September 2014 (c) To wait and return with the passengers”. The company said as with every other aircraft charter company, its knowledge of the cargo carried on the aircraft was in accordance with the information provided by ABC Limited. “All cargoes were accompanied by passenger who could readily defend the contents. We are not and cannot be privy to any alleged extraneous cargo transported on the aircraft other than that declared in the agreed terms of hire,” the firm said. “We are not liable and cannot be construed as a party to any alleged infractions, either in Nigeria or South Africa as he case may be, after the hire of the aircraft,” it added. 1 Like |
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