9jaforlife:


This is clear enough even for a primary school pupil. I don't know why the likes of Ifeann aka parisbookaddict like to protest what is so obvious!! Delusion is a terrible thing!

[quote author=Ifeann post=31316872]
I tot u will run and copy and paste nonsense from Islamic sites...this is a good point..I won't bother to cross check ur translations hoping u won't use al taqiyyah. .

However u fail to note that Christ came to serve. U Muslims don't understand Christ's incredible humility. .

Not that the king james version doesnt use the word serve but clearly acknowledges the sonship of Christ

However the other translations updated to our current use of English acknowledges that serve is the most appropriate word and yet they clearly acknowledge the sonship of Christ. .

Mathew 20:28

King James Bible
Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

International Standard Version
That's the way it is with the Son of Man. He did not come to be served, but to serve and to give his life as a ransom for many people."


New International Version
just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

New Living Translation
For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve others and to give his life as a ransom for many."



Here are parallel verses from Mark10: 45


King James Bible
For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life--a ransom for many."

International Standard Version
because even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve and to give his life as a ransom for many people."

So understand we christains understand that as the son of man he came to serve and he experienced what we experience and conquered.

[s]He is also referred to as son of God in dozens of verses..here are 3 examples..[/s]

1 John 5:20 - And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, [even] in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Luke 1:35 - And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Empiree:
Since you've been viewing my profile for weeks, did you see me create thread(s) on comparative religion?. No, i don't fancy all that.

Ifeann:


Please feel free to create and ask questions about christianity. . Other muslims are not so lucky to have access to the truth. Ask and learn and renounce islam.

Empiree:
Cut it out. No truth anywhere except Islam. You already failed with your bogus 2-faced man god. Learn from you?. No you learn from me including those hiding behind your skirt oops! maybe trouser

PastorKun:


[s]Truth from a religion that encourages al taqquiya amongst it's followers You must be on some very cheap drugs [/s]

Ifeann:


Please feel free to create and ask questions about christianity. . Other muslims are not so lucky to have access to the truth. Ask and learn and renounce islam.

Empiree:

Okay now, since you admire KJV and Good News very well especially King James Version. Now, you said to "learn everything that is authentically translated". Key word is "AUTHENTIC TRANSLATION".

Good. Let's put King James Versions against each other. Before that, I will like to remind you that we Muslims believe that Isa(Jesus- peace be upon him) is human being 100%. He's a prophet and messenger of God. He is indeed God's true servant. There is no need for me to quote Qur'an since Qur;an is clear on who Jesus(peace be upon him) is. Here are contradictory accounts of who Jesus in KJV, NKJV and GNV. Son and Servant are different meanings. Bible contradict itself and also agrees with Quran that jesus is servant of God.

[size=15pt]Acts 3:13[/size]

King James Bible
The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.


Good News Translation
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our ancestors, has given divine glory to his Servant Jesus. But you handed him over to the authorities, and you rejected him in Pilate's presence, even after Pilate had decided to set him free.


New King James Version
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let Him go.

Now, dont even try to mess with me by twisting what is not and using same "taqqiyah" you used to cover up violence verses in your "holy book"....son does not equates servant. They are two different words with different meanings. Pay close attention to the two (2) KJVs carefully.

Empiree:
And what's wrong defending your theology here?. I don't have time opening threads about what Tom, Dick and Harry believe. That's what you do best. Open a topic on your doctrine and we contribute

Rilwayne001:
^^^ chai malvisguy u sabi lie ooo.

Ifeann:


[s]U knw if u ask questions u will have no option than to leave Islam. .see below for pic of wat makes u scared to leave..Mohammed says behead those that leave Islam. .God is greater than Islam and he will protect u should u renounce islam.[/s]

malvisguy212:
[size=16pt]you will never understand this unless the holy spirit teach you.[/size]

Rilwayne001:
@ifeann

I understand what you are trying to do up here, but I will not bring myself down to your level. I think I asked you a quwstion which you are yet to answer.

Ifeann:


[size=3pt]He didn't lie...its all there..he gave evidence while u on the other hand chose to remind ignorant..

Christ calls himself son of man, and so. How is he incorrect. You forget he also calls himself (and is called) "son of God" dozens of time. Infact this is what led to his crucifixion since the Jews claimed he committed blasphemy. You also forget he controlled the weather instantly several times, something only God does,
your quran says;
Qur'an 4:171 "O people of the book! Commit no excesses in your
religion: nor say of God naught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son
of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, and His Word, which
He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: So believe
in God and His messengers..."

in contrast to truth,
(Philippians 2:5-9, NAS95) 5 Have this attitude in yourselves which
was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of
God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but
emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being
made in the likeness of men. 8 Being found in appearance as a man,
He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death,
even death on a cross. 9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him,
and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,


Jesus forgave sins, something only God does.
People he healed fell on their knees and worshipped him and yet he didn't say No don't worship me.
We Christians know on earth he had 2 natures human(son of man) and divine(son of God)


Your Koran says
Qur'an 4:157
They said (in boast), "we killed christ jesus the son of mary, the messenger of Allah". But they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubt, without(certain) knowledge, but only conjective to follow, for a surety they killed him not.

And

Qur'an 9: 30
"AND THE JEWS SAY, EZRA IS THE SON OF Allah, AND THE CHRISTIAN SAY: THE MESSIAH IS THE SON OF Allah, THESE ARE THE WORDS OF THEIR MOUTHS; THEY INITIATE THE SAYING OF THOSE WHO DISBELIEVED; MAY Allah DESTROY THEM; HOW THEY ARE TURNED AWAY

the bible clear tells us from a witness in Matthew 27:35, 35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments,
casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the
prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my
vesture did they cast lots.
1 Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a
stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

In Mark 14:61-62, Jesus claimed to be the Son of Man (Daniel 7:13) and
David's Lord (Psalm 110:1)
Jesus helped people who called him Lord, and never rebuked when people worshipped him (Matthew 14:30-33)
Moreover in John 5:22-23 22 , the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honour the Son just as they honour the Father. Whoever does not honour the Son does not honour the Father, who sent him. Jesus judges us all, Jesus is one with God and the son of God. The scripture is very clear on the nature of Jesus and hours divinity. Check also Mark 11: 17-18 Mathew 11:27, 17:5,John 5:17-18 and peters answer to Christ's question about who he was in Mathew 16:16. Go to the old testament thousands of years before jesus and see the prophesy of his coming isaiah 40-3:5 for example

The scripture is also very clear in;
1 John 2:22, 'Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that
Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:2-3 "By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world." Several times this term is used in the plural, and can be applied to almost anyone who is opposed to Christ. Those who deny that Jesus came in the flesh are anti-Christ or of the spirit of antichrist.



1 John 4:1
beloved,believe not every spirit,but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets has gone into the world.

This is one of the ways to discern a false teacher from a true one.
In 1 Corinthians 14:33 My bible tells me in clear terms that God is not the author of confusion. There is so much confusion in Islam ask the Wahabi, Salafists, sunnis, shites alwaites, ahmedies. They kill each other because of this.

My bible also tell me in Matthew 7:15-20,“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them."
Islams fruits are rotten and that's the truth my friend.

So in conclusion;
God the father acknowledged Jesus as his son (John 17:5, Matthew 17:5 And Mark 9:7)
Jesus called himself the Son of God and one with God (Matthew 11:27)

His disciples called him the son of God.

Isaiah from the old testament prophesied about him and called him the son of God.

Angel Gabriel in the first chapter of Luke called Jesus the Son of God.

John the baptist called Jesus the son of God.

The Jews who hated him accused him of claiming he is the Son of God and one with God. Eg Mark 11: 17-18

Demons he casted out called him the son of God.[/size]

Empiree:
You are very ignorant and arrogant as well. You can say all you want. Jesus doesnt recognize you at all. He has no idea who ifeann is. He was not sent to you. He was sent to specific people not the whole world.

OREMUSSANCTUS:
ve really missed ya #no homo

joseph1832:
ORE MI MUMU! Sorry OREMUSSANCTUS! You're here again? You don't waste time at all!. .

Empiree:
You are very ignorant and arrogant as well. You can say all you want. Jesus doesnt recognize you at all. He has no idea who ifeann is. He was not sent to you. He was sent to specific people not the whole world.

Ifeann:


I wonder when u started speaking on behalf of Jesus. .. pls speak for Mohammed..

OREMUSSANCTUS:
its a religion section, buh in politics ya f up. I just pray and hope ya get sense for here far better dan politics section.

Empiree:
Listen Ife, you dont make any sense. Everything you accused us of you do just exact same or worst still. Arent you been speaking for Islam by creating nonsense threads claiming to know Islam better than muslims?. Dont you have sense?

And yes, I will teach you about Jesus. You dont know who he is...fact

Ifeann:


Please feel free to create topics and "teach" me these things.