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Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by johnw74: 3:00am On Mar 23, 2015 |
johnw74, is tongue twisting here! u are just tongue twisting around Oh! Tongue twistin man
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Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by ladon1: 6:08am On Mar 23, 2015 |
BIBLESPEAKS:Can you please explain the (us) in these verses if the scripture to me? genesis 1:26. genesis 3:22. genesis 11:7. Lets see how much your bible speaks if at all you know how to read it. |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by CAPTIVATOR: 8:00am On Mar 23, 2015 |
johnw74 Good ! Do u now agree that MARY is the mother of God ? |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by BIBLESPEAKS(m): 8:26am On Mar 23, 2015 |
ladon1: When I read those verses, I just understood where your problem lies. Its so pitiable that because of your warped indoctrination you cannot comprehend simple english. Well, since u've asked, I'll try my best to remove the veil from your eyes. Only you should try to be wise enough to understand. Gen1:26 - God said: "Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness..." Gen 3:22 - God then said: "Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad..." Gen 11:7 - Come! Let us go down there and confuse their language..." I checked Cambridge Advance Learners Dictionary to get the definition of the word "us." Here's what it says: "Us" is used as the object of a verb or a preposition. It implies "me and at least one other person." So when the word "us" is used, it refers to atleast two people. So, Who was God referring to when he said "US"? If you were to say, 'let us make something for ourselves', no one would normally understand this to imply that several persons are combined as one inside of you. You simply mean that two or more individuals will work together on something. So, too, when God used "us" and "our", he was simply addressing another individual, his first spirit creation, the master craftsman, the prehuman Jesus. - Read proverbs 8:30,31 |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by ladon1: 8:46am On Mar 23, 2015 |
BIBLESPEAKS:wonderful! Your bible speaks indeed. And God(nature) said let us(three persons) make man in our image, after our own likeness. only one that is a determined stiffneck liar will deny this. Us in any dictionary simply means more than one person. Now when the bible recorded that God said let us make man in our own image, it simply entails that God is communicating within his persons. And the persons typified here all has the power to create i.e all the persons included in the us are creator. Father, son, and the holy spirit. and all are called The Lord(Jehovah) n n |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by BIBLESPEAKS(m): 8:57am On Mar 23, 2015 |
ladon1: Read proverbs 8:22-31 and see those who were involved in creation. Knowledge is power. |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by CANTICLES: 9:02am On Mar 23, 2015 |
Hiswordxray: THE BRACKET IS NOT PART OF THAT SCRIPTURE ! ITS UNSCRIPTURAL In phil 2:5-8 we find two forms + Form of God = Nature of God ( Spiritual body 1 cor 15:44) ** form of servant = Nature of human ( physical body 1 cor 15:44) All beings in heaven have the same nature of God , ALL ARE POWERFUL SPIRIT BEINGS including Angels Psalm 104:4 ( GOD HIMSELF IS A SPIRIT BEING John 4:24) . UNLIKE Trinitarians that equate Jesus with THE TRUE GOD, JESUS GAVE NO CONSIDERATION FOR SUCH EQUALITY ( Phil 2:6) TRINITY IS AN HOAX |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by ladon1: 9:47am On Mar 23, 2015 |
ladon1:let me even ask you a simple question. Do you believe that Jesus is the son of God? If so. If a cat concieves, what does it give birth to? If s dog concieve, what does it give birth to? Likewise if God begats, what being does it begat? Again lets see how well yiu can twist psalm 45;6. |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by ladon1: 9:55am On Mar 23, 2015 |
BIBLESPEAKS:proverbs 8;22-31. Those are the words of God the son. One who is life having authority and is worshipped. |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by BIBLESPEAKS(m): 10:22am On Mar 23, 2015 |
ladon1: So you agree that jesus spoke those words in proverbs 8:22-31 and you still think of him as equal to his father and God? Chai! Of all the trinitarians I've met, u're the most blinded. Your darkness is sooo thick. In proverbs 8:22-31, jesus said: "God PRODUCED me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his acievements of long ago." Jesus continues: from ancient times I was installed, from the start, from times earlier than the earth..mbrfore the mountains were set in place, before the hills, I was BROUGHT FORTH....when he(God) prepared the heavens, I was there...I was beside him as a MASTER WORKER. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time. If you can read this in your bible and agree that Jesus is the one speaking, but yet argue that he(Jesus) is equal to his father, then you are of all the most gullible. But even gullible ones become wise, so follow the Bible's advice in proverbs 8:5. |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by ladon1: 10:33am On Mar 23, 2015 |
BIBLESPEAKS:Its waste of time arguing with you. The four scriptural is enough for for any sensible person. Unfortunately you ain't one. |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by Hiswordxray(m): 12:14pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
CANTICLES:Where in the Bible is it written that all the being in heaven have the same nature. |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by CANTICLES: 1:49pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
Hiswordxray: Everything on earth have " earthly bodies" All the being in HEAVEN have " Heavenly Bodies" 2 Cor 15:40. Also called " spiritual body" or "divine nature" |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by Hiswordxray(m): 3:58pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
CANTICLES:Those verses didn't say nature but bodies. Is body and nature the same thing. "4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust." (2Pet 1:4). We are partaker of His divine nature does this mean we are spirit? |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by dolphinheart(m): 4:44pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
@^^^ . You can't patake in the divine nature with a fleshly body. It is when you get to heaven (receive a spiritual body ) that you can partake in the divine nature. Pls , to those explaining the falsehood of trinity to trinitarians , pls pls , find out first what the person you are discussing with really believe in the numerous definitions associated with trinity. Cus while reading most post on trinity , I found out that most of them do not fully say what they believe . I also found out that most trinitarians do not believe each others postulations and believes due to the numerous variations in the belief itself . For example , during a discussion with two trinitarians , one believed that the father and jesus are two different persons with same authority. But the other believed that the father and jesus are the same person having two personalities. (this believe was based on the attempt to include the holy spirit into the equation since he has read a verse that says that "the lord is the holy spirit " ) . Another group believe that The almighty God is a nature and not a person and that three individual persons possess that nature. So letting them state their individual belief will stop them from jumping from one type of belief to the other when their false belief is being exposed. Note: in the bible , I've noticed something , when visions of heaven is revealed ,God is always sitting on his throne and jesus is atimes sitting at the right hand of that throne( but not on that particular throne)and atimes standing beside the throne and atimes performing a particular action in front of that throne or away from that throne (while God is sitted on the throne ) . In all these visions , no one has seen the holy spirit in any describable form sitting or standing in that heavenly arrangement. |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by CANTICLES: 5:17pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
Hiswordxray: NOBODY on earth has a divine , heavenly nature , its a "precious promise" 2pet 1:4 unto those "whom have been brought from the earth" to be ressurected to heaven to rule as king and priest with Jesus OVER THE EARTH ( Rev 5:9,10; rev 14: 1-4) ! |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by Hiswordxray(m): 5:49pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
CANTICLES:Are you saying we are going to heaven and we would become spirit? |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by CANTICLES: 6:53pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
Hiswordxray: Read my comment again and understand , by the time u read Rev 5:9,10 And Rev 14: 1-4 .. YOU will realize that only a chosen few " who have been brought from the earth" will be given the priviledge to Rule as King and priest OVER the EARTH ( not an empty planet earth, but refers to the billions of people who will be ressurected to form the " new earth" ) compare GENESIS 6:1 where earth is used to denote "people livin on earth" |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by Hiswordxray(m): 7:06pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
CANTICLES:Read your post very well. CANTICLES:So we are going to heaven and we would be spirit there? |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by CANTICLES: 7:20pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
Hiswordxray: That promise is strictly for those who will be ressurected to become a spirit being like God, Jesus, and the angels , they are AMONG THOSE CHOSEN 144,000 that are " brought from the earth" to rule with Christ in. Rev 5:9,10; Rev 14:1,4 The other majority of mankind will fulfil psalm 37:9-11, 29 " the righteous shall possess the Earth, and they shall live forever on it" " the meek shall inherit the earth" Matt 5:5, rev 21:3,4 |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by Hiswordxray(m): 7:27pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
CANTICLES:Okay... You are saying the only 144,000 are going to heaven and this people will become spirit right? |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by CANTICLES: 7:46pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
Hiswordxray:YES, only those "144,000 have been bought from earth .. To rule as king and priest with Jesus over the EARTH" Rev 5:9,10, Rev 14: 1,3,4 YES , Remember Jehovah God appointed king, his Son Jesus was resurected as a "spirit" 1 cor 15:45 ; 1pet 3:18 , Jesus co - rulers will also receive that similar type of RESSURECTION ( Romans 6:5 ) |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by Hiswordxray(m): 8:13pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
CANTICLES:Thanks for sharing your ignorance with me. But let's go back to the topic of the trend. Why did the disciples worship and called Jesus God? "9 And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, “Rejoice!” So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him." (Matt 28:9). "1 Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:" (2Pet 1:1). |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by CANTICLES: 8:27pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
Hiswordxray: First ... KINDLY show me the ignorance in those comments ? |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by Hiswordxray(m): 9:19pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
CANTICLES:Don't worry just go ahead and answer my question. |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by CANTICLES: 10:51pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
Hiswordxray: FOREMOST: The Apostles know that " true worshippers will worship only the Father" John 4:23,24 , Jesus himself quote deu 6:13 in matt 4:10 to show that WORSHIP belong solely to Jehovah, God of abraham, Isaac ,Jacob And The God of Jesus himself . What about matt 28:9 ? The obvious fact is that the apostles " held him at his feet" , the same act that Abigeal did to David in 1 samuel 25:23,24, obeisance was also done by a tekoite woman to the King ( 1 Sam 14:4) TO SHOW HONOUR AND RESPECT NOT for sacred devotion . The greek word translated worship in matt 28:9 is " proskuneo", Vines Expository Dictionary explains . Vines Expository Dictionary word: "1.PROSKUNEO..., to make obeisance, do reverence to(from pros, towards, and kuneo, to kiss)is the most frequent word rendered to worship." Thats why some translations appropriately use " make obeisance " |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by johnw74: 10:54pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
CAPTIVATOR: No I don't agree with you that Mary is the mother of God Jesus was God (the Word) before He was born a man you sure have strange beliefs |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by CANTICLES: 11:19pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
Hiswordxray: Why is dis too hard for u to understand ? Our God = The FATHER ( 1 Cor 8:5,6) AND Saviour = Jesus Christ . INFACT , verse 2 reveal that the person called God by the apostle peter is THE FATHER " ... An accurate knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord" Vrs 2. WOW! This bring John 17:3 to mind. " [b]knowledge[/b]of you the ONLY TRUE GOD, and the one whom you sent Christ Jesus" " " |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by johnw74: 11:39pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
The Bible says that Michael is a Archangel jw say that michael is not a Angel but chief of the Angels the Bible does not say michael is Arch of the Angels the Bible says that michael is a Archangel - a chief angel NO: Jud_1:9 Yet Michael the YES: Jud_1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by CANTICLES: 11:48pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
johnw74: Angels are under the authority of the ONLY Archangel, so they are not in d same category . |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by johnw74: 11:58pm On Mar 23, 2015 |
CANTICLES: 1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. It is you who does not understand, God-Father in that verse means Supreme divinity and everything is from Him and Lord-Jesus Christ in that verse means Supreme in Authority and everything is from Him Just another verse showing that the Father and Jesus Christ is the One God. God G2316 θεός theos theh'-os Of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with G3588) the supreme Divinity; figuratively a magistrate; by Hebraism very: - X exceeding, God, god [-ly, -ward]. Total KJV occurrences: 1343 Lord G2962 κύριος kurios koo'-ree-os From κῦρος kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, that is, (as noun) controller; by implication Mr. (as a respectful title): - God, Lord, master, Sir. Total KJV occurrences: 748 |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by johnw74: 12:03am On Mar 24, 2015 |
CANTICLES: But they are all Angels. |
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