italo:


Where did you read that he said what you claimed?

Is that too much to ask?

italo:


You've obviously never read Matt 16.

Matt 16

17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.

Jesus Predicts His Death
21 From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

22 Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”

23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan!

[b]I have read it many more times than you can imagine. You ought to have started it from verse 13 to get an understanding of the whole story.

Let's examine it verse by verse:
v 16: Peter REVEALS who Jesus Christ is.

v17: Jesus blesses Peter and tells him it is GOD that gave Peter the REVELATION that JESUS is CHRIST.

v18: Jesus said "you are Peter, and ON THIS ROCK..." (Jesus DID NOT call Peter "Rock". No sir, He didn't!

v18: "ON THIS ROCK" (that is ON THIS REVELATION) by you Peter that I am CHRIST the Son of God), "I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH"
(The Church is the body of Christ and is BUILT or established on the fact, faith and REVELATION that Jesus is Christ the Son of God).

v: 19 "I will give YOU (the CHURCH, Christ's body) the keys (POWER) of the kingdom and whatsoever YOU (THE CHURCH, not Peter) binds on earth..

v20: Jesus tells His disciples not tell anyone that He is Jesus Christ.

v21: Jesus begins to inform his disciples about the sufferings he will encounter (He has to DIE to save mankind)

v22: Peter opposes Jesus. Peter has not comprehended that Jesus came to suffer unto death for man's SALVATION.

v23: Jesus recognizes that Satan, speaking through Peter wants to hinder or deter Jesus from DYING and FULFILING HIS MISSION. Jesus rebukes the evil spirit (Satan) speaking through Peter as "the hindrance"

Jesus did not call Peter "Satan" and Peter is not "Satan"[/b]

HopeAlive14:


[b]I have read it many more times that you can imagine. You ought to have started it from verse 13 to get an understanding of the whole story.

v 16: Peter REVEALS who Jesus Christ is.
v17: Jesus blesses Peter and tells him it is GOD that gave Peter the REVELATION that JESUS is CHRIST.
v18: Jesus said "you are Peter, and ON THIS ROCK..." (Jesus DID NOT call Peter "Rock". No sir, He didn't!
v18: "ON THIS ROCK" (that is ON THIS REVELATION) by you Peter that I am CHRIST the Son of God), "I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH"
(The Church is the body of Christ and is BUILT or established on the fact and REVELATION that Jesus is Christ the Son of God).
v: 19 "I will give YOU (the CHURCH, Christ's body) the keys of the kingdom and whatsoever YOU (THE CHURCH, not Peter) binds on earth..
v21: Jesus begins to inform his disciples about the sufferings he will encounter (He has to DIE to save mankind)
v22: Peter opposes Jesus. Peter has not comprehended that Jesus came to suffer unto death for man's SALVATION.
v23: Jesus recognizes that Satan, speaking through Peter wants to hinder or deter Jesus from DYING and FULFILING HIS MISSION. Jesus rebukes the evil spirit (Satan) speaking through Peter as "the hindrance"
Jesus did not call Peter "Satan" and Peter is not "Satan"[/b]

Rose2014:


I'm not surprised. Pentico people turning the bible upside down since 1800
Smh

Mee234:

google no dey where u dey. huu, I forgot u are a catholic hence the need to excuse u priest. un newspaper did a piece on mbaka and nnamani.

ChokolateBoss:
Going through all d posts, one can't help but marvel at Italo's superior logic. Respect!
HopeAlive ur exegesis of d passage about Peter's confession of d messiah is utterly ludicrous. What authority taught u that? Ur self? Ur pastor? Or u got it from d Holy Spirit?
On d Mbaka vs Chimaroke ish, I'd appreciate if anyone can offer d proof Italo is asking for. If u do, fine and good so I know how to make up my mind on that issue. My mind's open.

italo:
So David was guilty in Psalm 26:1? Lol.

italo:



New International Version
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory

Jesus Christ too was guilty abi? Lol

Sha don't let bias destroy your soul.

italo:


This has nothing to do with my being Catholic or Hindu or even Atheist. As a Catholic, I'm even more worried about him than you are. I want to know the truth about him. One day, I might find myself attending mass with him...if he claims to have visions from God which are lies, I want to know so I don't take him serious. If he has transgressed the laws of the Church, I want to know so I can join those calling for his bishop to caution him.

You said you read that Mbaka said Nnamani would not be governor for 2nd term from "Un Newspaper."

I have never heard of that Paper. Is in an Enugu-based paper...or is it based in your bedroom?

adsonstone:




I believe I made my position clear without bias.

Thanks.

ChokolateBoss:
Going through all d posts, one can't help but marvel at Italo's superior logic. Respect!
HopeAlive ur exegesis of d passage about Peter's confession of d messiah is utterly ludicrous. What authority taught u that? Ur self? Ur pastor? Or u got it from d Holy Spirit?
On d Mbaka vs Chimaroke ish, I'd appreciate if anyone can offer d proof Italo is asking for. If u do, fine and good so I know how to make up my mind on that issue. My mind's open.

Mee234:

sorry I mean the sun

jnrbayano:


Good observation about Italo but I'm not surprised at all.

I spotted the guy eons back and have followed him since the time of Jesus's birth in bethlehem.

Do same and you will learn so much.

italo:


That David and Jesus were guilty...since they were vindicated and according to you, "only the guilty can be vindicated."

If the above is your honest opinion, and not a result of hypocritical bias, then you're at best, deluded, and at worst, a blasphemer.

David and Jesus were innocent, hence vindicated.

adsonstone:
Only a guilty person can be vindicated.

Congratulations to all Nigerians.

adsonstone:

You don't need to try to mix things up.
David and Jesus were innocent, yet culpable, hence vindicated.
I believe I made myself clear without bias.

italo:


That David and Jesus were guilty...since they were vindicated and according to you, "only the guilty can be vindicated."

If the above is your honest opinion, and not a result of hypocritical bias, then you're at best, deluded, and at worst, a blasphemer.

David and Jesus were innocent, hence vindicated.

italo:


By the way, your spiritual father, Kumuyi prophesied that the election would be free and fair.

Was the election free and fair? See video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szFfQOelXJs&app=desktop

adsonstone:



Only a guilty person can be vindicated.

adsonstone:


David, a saint, yet sinner, hence vindicated.
Jesus, a saint, yet identified with sinners, hence vindicated.
The Corinthian Church, saints, yet sinners, hence justified.
David & Jesus, innocent, yet culpable, hence vindicated.

It's easy for a 12-year old to grab.

Sorry if that's too big for you to chew.

Perhaps, you should recheck the meaning of these simple words.

adsonstone:



1. What do you mean by 'free and fair?'
2. Is that the video for the whole 2015 general elections?

italo:


Use Kumuyi's meaning of "free and fair." Was he right?

No. But it is just one of the evidences I have on the conduct of the elections.

Was the presidential election free and fair?

adsonstone:

That should be answered by you.

You seem to know the meaning of 'free and fair' as used by Kumuyi...and that's you can give a definite answer.

What did he really mean?

italo:
You wan dey swell my head be that o.

Happy Easter Triduum!

jnrbayano:


Good observation about Italo but I'm not surprised at all.

I spotted the guy eons back and have followed him since the time of Jesus's birth in bethlehem.

Do same and you will learn so much.

ChokolateBoss:


Lol @ since d time of Jesus's birth.
Sure will follow him now. I like pple who can make intellectually sound logical arguments.
@Italo. Seems u're Catholic. Have u heard of Dave Armstrong?

italo:


Yes, I'm Catholic.

I just read about Dave Armstrong after you mentioned him. I'm surprised I never heard of him even though I know many other prominent Catholic converts like him.

Thanks for the compliments.

italo:


Nevermind. When Mbaka spoke you were hounding me.

Now that Kumuyi lied, you dunno the meaning of free and fair.

The Nigerian people have used their thumbs to show who is true and who is false.

So I leave you to your conscience...if you have one.

.:

Free, Fair, and Regular

As with defining electoral and representative
systems, there are no precise definitions for
regular, free, and fair elections. International human rights conventions have established a basic consensus, most importantly Article 21 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which states that elections must be periodic, genuine, organized according to universal suffrage, and by secret ballot.

Regular or periodic means holding elections on a set schedule known to the electorate, either on a specified date (the first Tuesday of November every other year, as in the United States) or within a particular time frame (within five years of the previous election, as for Parliament in the United Kingdom), thereby guaranteeing citizens the opportunity to change their leaders and to support new policies.

Free and fair, or genuine, means that elections offer equal opportunities for all competing parties and candidates. Such
equality requires the ability of political parties and candidates to register for office without
unreasonable requirements, balanced access to the media for all candidates, the absence of
campaign finance abuse, and an independent
electoral process.

Universal suffrage means that there can be no
burdensome impediments to registering or voting for any citizen, with only such legitimate requirements as age or residence. The ideal is to have maximum participation in elections. To achieve this, some countries make voting a legal obligation. It should be noted that the principle of one person, one vote, is distinct from the principle of universal suffrage and applies more to political systems with direct representation. But both principles mean that no person's vote can be counted twice. A secret ballot means that no one—except for the voter—knows how each person has voted. If a voter's choice is observable
to others, voters may be subject to intimidation and reprisals by the party in power or by a party seeking power. Elections would then have no integrity.

For democracy to work, everyone must agree to accept the results of freely held elections. The people and parties who have lost power, or those who failed to gain it, must be willing to accept defeat. If the loser refuses to accept the winner, the election's legitimacy is diminished and the political system may be marked by conflict and instability. A key test for a democracy is the successful and peaceful transfer of power from one party to another. Indeed, this is a continuous test for any democracy, even established ones, as the United States witnessed during the 2000
presidential elections.

adsonstone:


You don't need to try to mix things up.

David and Jesus were innocent, yet culpable, hence vindicated.

I believe I made myself clear without bias.

ChokolateBoss:


Why are u confusing urself? How can only a guilty person be vindicated? What dictionary do u use?

Secondly, how can someone be innocent, yet culpable? Una can tire person o

adsonstone:


Those were simple questions, yet you refused to answer.

Several elections have been tagged 'free and fair' despite reports of disruption in few areas.

The Nigerian 1993 Presidential election is one of such.


A 'free and fair' election does not necessarily mean a 'perfect' election.


Let me help you out.



www.democracyweb.org/elections/principles.php


If the 2015 electoral process conform with the above, Kumuyi is vindicated.


I also noticed how you cunningly ignored the part Kumuyi said that the results will be widely accepted and the votes of Nigerians will count, only attacking a part you're judging by your own definition.

However, you have only tagged it in your mind as 'prophecy,' his speech did not.