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Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by tonychristopher: 12:46pm On May 07, 2015 |
Try and be open to learning, brother we learn everyday and nobody is omni potent and know it all sir macof: |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 12:51pm On May 07, 2015 |
9jacrip: 9jacrip - it seems you're getting tired of raining insults on me? You wrote: "The same post that used the word conqueror never mentioned anything about military engagement, rather a diplomatic agreement between the two and a relationship that bolstered. You keep sounding like a historian yet your interpretation skill within parameters of given sources is poor. Calm down and stop playing with SEMANTICS. That website is the official site of the Lagos State, not an historical site. It only SUMMARIZES the history of Lagos. Therefore the word "CONQUEST" is a POINTER to a major incidents, influences that remained till today - it points to deeper things. My friend, I understand your feelings; as a member of "Lagos is Yorubaland" you naturally not comfortable with such word in history. You wrote: "Lastly, you need to understand, in Yoruba land, the history of every section affects and it is a business of every section. I'm full blooded Ife. The Awori, the founders and owners of Lagos are Ife migrants pre-Bini empire. Onikoyi was from Ikoyi in Osun state with their compound being in Ife. So it is not a case of 'aborigines' and non-aborigines, it is the unifying ties within all Yoruba towns. This is pure fallacy. In reality Every section does not affect the others, that came to be due to modern political and economy positioning. However it does not diffuse the historical facts on the table. You're Ife origin: Your fathers were not buried in Lagos Island... Your family house/compound is not Lagos... Your ancestry is never connected to Lagos. 1 Like |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by macof(m): 12:51pm On May 07, 2015 |
NigerMan1: Whit this I can say you are a lost course You lik Google right? Try searching Olumegbon, Oloto and other Idejo . .since you cannot accepted anything you didn't see on someone's blog All you nd Tony know about yoruba are from blogs and Internet articles wit all ur copy and paste Only an Iidiot does that and declares himself authority on Yoruba history - both of you are not even Yoruba. .you have never might an Awori chieftain in your obviously pathetic lives so full of Bigotry I repeat NOBODY DENIES ELEKO'S BINI ANCESTRY BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN EKO WAS CONTROLLED BY OBA OF BENIN 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by tonychristopher: 12:54pm On May 07, 2015 |
NigerMan1: I was driving toward Ipaja towards Ogun state, there is an igala aboriginal settlement towards ayetoro, I made enquiries they told me that the Igala and TIVS have been living there centuries and tjey do not speak yoruba but different language. I am interested in the bolded statement of IGALA INFLUENCE IN YORUBA AND THEIR MIGRATION PATTERNS. Thank you |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by macof(m): 12:54pm On May 07, 2015 |
tonychristopher:But you aren't willing to learn If you are you would have looked up Idejo by now But even if you saw anything contradicting ur anti-yoruba plot you would ignore it 1 Like |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by tonychristopher: 12:56pm On May 07, 2015 |
Your going basal , your using gutter language brother, nobody is claiming authority..what we are stating is facts..why use the term idiotss macof: |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 12:57pm On May 07, 2015 |
tonychristopher: Yes I know this very well. In fact, there are numerous tussles scattered all over Yorubaland. One of them is the IDEJO issue. As for Ooni of Ife, most Kings don't even regard as their head or superior. In core Yorubaland, there are 3 major Power Blocs: >> The Ooni of Ife >> Olubadan of Ibadan >> Alaafin of Oyo And all three have kings as members of their inner circles and influences. NOTE: The Oba of Lagos does not belong to any of the blocs However they seem to come together when they want to fight a 'common enemy' such as the Igbo. Or for political reasons |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by tonychristopher: 1:03pm On May 07, 2015 |
macof: The members of the Aromire settlement gave land to Benin conqueror on Lagos Island, and thus we can be sure that they, like the Oloto People, existed prior to conquest. Armoire again did not represent a single group. One section of the family settled at Tolo on the western tip of Lagos Island, and it became headed by the Onitolo, a descendant of the Aromire family. Another Idejo title holder, the Onitano, was said to be the grandson of Oshoboja's daughter. Still another Idejo chief, the Onikoyi, was brought into Lagos by Aromire family through marriage. The founder of Onikoyi family lived at Oke-Ipa on Ikoyi Island, named after his ancestral home which was believed to have been in Old Oyo. Adeyemi a leader of the Oke-Ipa settlement married Efunluyi, daughter of Meku armoire, who was believed to be the sixth title holder of the Aromire line. In honour of her deliverance of a son, called Muti, Chief Meku allocated to his daughter and son-in-law a plot of land near Iga Aromire "Aromire Court", on Lagos Island. The house built on that plot became Iga Onikoyi and Aromire's son-in-law the first holder of an Idejo title in Lagos, the Onikoyi title. All in all, four related Idejo chieftaincies came out of the Aromire line: armoire itself, Onitolo, Onitano, and Onikoyi. The remaining four Idejo titles clearly came into existence after the invasion of Benin. To chart this process, let us return to Ulsheimer. If his account is correct, then it appears that the daily gathering of Lagos governors was one of military commanders from Benin, and not heads of local settlement. Gradually, however, additions were made to that body. The vehicle via which accretion took place eventually was called Ose Iga a ceremonious meeting of Lagos held at the palace every seventeen days. The Osega was attended by a body of chiefs whose agenda was devoted to proposing and debating community policy. Before discussions at each meeting, sacrifices were performed. After each meeting the assembled chiefs were fed and entertained by the Oba. Rights to sit on his highest decision making body of the community were extended to all recognized chiefs. Indeed, the culmination of investiture ceremonies took place in the Ose chamber of the palace. Until a chief was brought into Osega, he was effectively not a functioning part of the larger policy. It does appear, however, that leaders of surrounding village who saw themselves as clients of the Oba could attend the Osega. Village settlement in and around Lagos Island were of several types: those powerful enough to be represented by their chief on the Osega; those that were clients (and the nature of the tie differed markedly among settlements. Ranging from complete dominance and overlordship to a loose control or dependency); and those that retained autonomy, foregoing the political and protective links that representation at the Lagos Osega could offer them. The number of chiefs with rights to attend the Osega grew slowly and fluctuated. Olumegbon, leader of the Idejo class was said to have been brought into Lagos and given a title by Ado, one of the early Bini rulers. The first Olumegbon came from Aja, east of Lagos toward the Lekki Lagoon. The reasons for his inclusion among the chiefs who attend the Osega may never be known to us. It is possible that the Benin warriors found him and his people located at a vital position on their east-west trade corridor and therefore wished to control that position themselves by alleviating its headman to a chieftaincy title in Lagos rather than subjugating him. It is also possible that he was originally a part of the Ido alliance and brought in as its senior representatives. In any case, Olumegbon was allocated a plot for an Iga in the Iduntafa area of Lagos and thus within the portion of land originally allocated by Aromire to the Benin rulers. http://www.enownow.com/news/story.php?sno=5707 I give you facts with credible refrences now I think you owe me a bottle of beer for the energy sapping lectures I am offering you and others for free. This is what you owe me, Just Heineken thats all |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 1:04pm On May 07, 2015 |
9jacrip: |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 1:06pm On May 07, 2015 |
9jacrip: Read these: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/09/ooni-alaafin-rivalry-resurfaces-oyo-lays-sole-claim-oranyan/ http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/12/oranyan-festival-ooni-is-ignorant-says-alaafin/ http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/155452-olubadan-attacks-jonathan-governor-ajimobi-visit-alaafin.html |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by tonychristopher: 1:06pm On May 07, 2015 |
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Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 1:10pm On May 07, 2015 |
macof: macof - my concern is not about ownership. But the Ancestry of Lagos monarchy Again here is what Oba of Lagos said: "Lagos is partly Yoruba and partly Benin. The matriarch was an Awori, a Yoruba, and the patriarch was a descendant of an Oba of Benin" SOURCE: http://sunnewsonline.com/new/?p=102716 In the same vein, the MIGRANTS to Lagos, from Osun, Ondo, Oyo, Ogun CANNOT claim ancestry in Lagos. |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by TonySpike: 1:11pm On May 07, 2015 |
This just the problem with these outsiders trying to distort Yoruba history. How can anyone in his right sense rate Olubadan as one of the foremost Yoruba kings? This is very displeasing and abominable! Ibadan did not become a full-fledged city until circa 1820s, and even then was a military garrison and launchpad base against the Northern invasion. I would really advise you, Nigerman1, to desist from distorting Yoruba history and hierarchy. I don't know the profane points you have been trying to prove, but please stay on your original topic! 1 Like |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by tonychristopher: 1:13pm On May 07, 2015 |
I know these also, there is the case of between Ooni and Alaafin who is higher and the Ijrbu king also is there NigerMan1: |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by tonychristopher: 1:14pm On May 07, 2015 |
hope you read my submission macof: |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by macof(m): 1:23pm On May 07, 2015 |
tonychristopher: Wat language I use is what you deserve at this point. You are claiming Bini authority don't deny what you've always claimed Claiming Eko is Bini and all that abominable talks of Awori being conquered without seeking the people's opinion is an act of Idiocy...I say this so you know A yoruba man is telling you No, Bini didn't conquer us, you igbo man says Yes they did only because u read it from an unknown author That's nt facts or academic discuss You jst lik saying the word "facts" who told you what you are copying and pasting is fact? No reference name, jst open blogs by unknown writers 1 Like |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by macof(m): 1:30pm On May 07, 2015 |
NigerMan1: the Niger deltan who thinks he knows yorubas better than yorubas Who tries to teach Yorubas our language, Culture and history The man who has no connection to Lagos but talks about lagosians yet dictates who can and cannot talk about them Were ur fathers buried in lagos island? Is ur family compound in lagos? Is ur ancestry connected to Lagos? Hypocrisy of the highest order 2 Likes |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 1:30pm On May 07, 2015 |
macof: You wrote: "Oba of lagos (Eleko) is of Bini ancestry, nobody says otherwise..." Believe me you modern day Yoruba historians have carefully REMOVED that facts from your history. Almost 97% of Yorubas don't know this fact. Even you guys are merely admitting with so much pain. Why don't you people have this history in your Primary and Secondary school syllabus? You wrote: "...but you go to insult us all by claiming Bini owns lands or conquered the Aworis" Me insult? Am still confused most Yorubas regard TRUTHS that hurts as hate and insult? I never said "Bini owns lands or conquered the Aworis" Mr macof, stop whipping up sentiments. First there is no big deal about being "Conquered" because most tribes and nationalities that are GREAT today were once conquered by another tribe or people. It's merely incident of past history. Even the Benin were later conquered in 1897. The British, French, Romans etc were once conquered. Yes, the Aworis were "conquered' not by me - but the Old Benin Kings that established and installed the Lagos Monarchy. You find that word "CONQUEST" on the Lagos State Govt official site. The Oba of Lagos alluded to this, so do you modern day Yorubas have problem with it? You wrote: "All yoruba are interwoven, does it bite to realize that Bini are alone? Even Esan don't stand with you in most cases So you seek to divide and conquer..." The phrase "all yoruba are interwoven" is a mere political statement, not historical facts. Now you open up another chapter by this "Even Esan don't stand with you in most cases... " Mr macof, let it be known that I perfectly understand what you're talking about, and am fully ready to engage you on this. First, I am an EDO man, of ESAN descent. (It seems you forgot I told you this in one of our previous engagement) You wrote: "So you seek to divide and conquer Haa - you indirectly admit the word "conquer" even though you hate it? You wrote: "Sorry the ties that bind the Yoruba cannot be broken" Another political truth, but cultural and historical FALLACY. |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by macof(m): 1:38pm On May 07, 2015 |
NigerMan1: Smh. Nobody says there are no Bini descendants in Lagos. .the Oba of Lagos is descended from Oba of Benin If that's ur only problem. ..then there's no problem at all But no it isn't. ..u still want to drag Eleko's Bini ancestry to mean Bini ownership of lagos. ..that's what you can never succeed at 1 Like |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 1:39pm On May 07, 2015 |
macof: You wrote: "Academic is exactly what history is not claims. History is defined by Maturity and Not Hate" What exactly do you mean by "Academic is exactly what history is not claims" You wrote: "If you disbelief anything I tell you quickly take a trip to Isale-Eko" Why should I go to there, macof? The Obas of Lagos down the ages admitted this. You wrote: Read this well BINI NEVER CONQUERED THE AWORIS OR CONTROLLED AND INCH OF THE LAND. Having Bini descendants doesn't = Bini control. Oba of Benin never had authority in lagos. . Eleko having Bini ancestry doesn't make Lagos a Bini conquered land. . His pilgrimage to Bini, burial in Bini doesn't mean The Awori acknowledge the Oba of Benin All that was the Bini lineages recognizing their Bini ancestry Macof, my dear bro. Take a break and re-read what you wrote here. It seems am forcing you to say what normally, most Yorubas hate to admit publicly. Please read it again; in one breadth you admit an overwhelming INFLUENCE of old Benin in EKO via conquest and controlled, but you simply hated the word "CONQUERED" You wrote: "Same way The Ife lineages in Bini recognized their Ife ancestry - ur Oba of Benin recognize his Ife ancestry Go sue him macof - you know this assertion is pure lie. Bro you're merely trying to create an angle to counter an obvious historical with fallacies and mythologies. |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by tonychristopher: 1:42pm On May 07, 2015 |
have you seen my idejo link and what is your position on that? macof: |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by tonychristopher: 1:45pm On May 07, 2015 |
outsiders are not distorting history, Outsiders are straightening distorted history with facts ...these lies has to be purged TonySpike: |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 1:46pm On May 07, 2015 |
9jacrip: You wrote: "If you take the king's statement literally to mean an actual man and woman then I give up on you. Oh, my Lord you guys will kill me with 'maradonic' style of playing with semantics. The Oba of Lagos is well educated to understand the meaning of his statement. Moreover let me tell you that he wasn't the first Lagos monarch to openly said this. In fact his father, the late Oba Oyekan elaborated more than he does. You wrote: "Aggressive? Yes; emotional - is getting irritated an emotion? After providing links to support awori ownership and Benin's part and still taking the time to interpret, you should not fault me for getting irritated. Bro History is not about emotional and irrational argument - is basically about FACTS. And where 100% facts cannot be established, you leave it open for further probing. As for the links you provided, I read them and countered them adequately. |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by macof(m): 1:46pm On May 07, 2015 |
Lmao Esan! No wonder He isn't even Bini What then is ur business with Awori - Bini connection? Absolutely nothing if you say Yorubas are divided pls talk about ur Edo people first Etsako are gradually losing any sign of connection to you lot. ..what wit the islam and Yoruba names they lik to bear now Try arranging ur burning house instead of trying to divide yorubas 1 Like |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by TonySpike: 1:46pm On May 07, 2015 |
tonychristopher: You are as idiotic as your assertions! 2 Likes |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by tonychristopher: 1:54pm On May 07, 2015 |
One of the hallmark of somebody that lacks intellectual finese is to resort to abusive words in intellectual debate. I am sorry if I did quote you TonySpike: |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by tonychristopher: 1:56pm On May 07, 2015 |
why dont you open up a thrread on that and we are just trying to dissect Oduduwa fallacy and Benin influence in socio political and historical era...and there is no point sweeping these things under the carpet have you seen my idejo postulation and what do you have to say macof: |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by macof(m): 1:58pm On May 07, 2015 |
tonychristopher: This doesn't dispute all I've said about Aworis. . It disputes ur earlier assertions infact Read carefully. . Olumegbon is among the king makers (at least a title chief in the court) of the Eleko Aromire is land owner to the Bini lineages |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 2:02pm On May 07, 2015 |
macof: You wrote: What's ur business with Eko history u this man? U can't tell me what to talk about" My business? This is funny to say the least. But you guys have BENIN mention in your larger Yoruba history? And you'd variously applied that your Oduduwa myth on this same thread. Don't you? Macof, you once claimed that EDOS are Yoruba, just as millions of Yoruba love to claimed out of mere ego and sheer ignorance. HISTORY is not same tribal ownership, history is global and I can tell you I'd helped many Yorubas traced their ancestry. You wrote: "Tony - an Igbo is parading on the Lagos history nobody says he should quit trying to learn about Aworis History is not a subject you keep for aborigines alone to discuss . If Others want to learn let them learn, it's the yoruba way. ..btw I am Yoruba I can discuss my Yoruba history as I want Bro you keep contradicting yourself; you wrote "What's ur business with Eko history" and compare with what you wrote above. And what is your own business about EKO history? Are you the owner of EKO? Did you found EKO? Are you the one funding EKO? You wrote: "It is you - an Edo who has no right dictating Yoruba history based on the nonsense you read from blogs" Oh, so you have right to have EDO mentioned in your history? The Oba of Lagos was asked the origin of his ancestors and he replied : "Lagos is partly Yoruba and partly Benin. The matriarch was an Awori, a Yoruba, and the patriarch was a descendant of an Oba of Benin" SOURCE: http://sunnewsonline.com/new/?p=102716 Macof, we are not discussing YORUBA history. We started with the history of the Olukumis, then vied into other angles. Now the hot topic is the Ancestry of Lagos Monarchy. Please stick with that and don't Yoruba into it... |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by macof(m): 2:02pm On May 07, 2015 |
TonySpike: They leave their dying history and come to destroy yoruba so we can be like them People without knowledge of their history 2 Likes |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by TonySpike: 2:06pm On May 07, 2015 |
tonychristopher: You think all the junks you posted on this thread makes you an intellectual? I guess the definition of the word "intellectual" has definitely changed if you are indeed one. It's a pity you don't know who I am in real life; if you do, you will know that you don't deserve to be my student because your analytical and deductive skills are very crappy and watery. No wonder you place yourself on a pedestal of delusion. 6 Likes |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by macof(m): 2:12pm On May 07, 2015 |
The ignorance of this Esan man is not the issue but how you try to claim authority on Yoruba and Bini is what baffles me Oba Akiolu's father isn't Oyekan lik you posted above If you say Bini conquered Eko because of Eleko being of Bini origin Then I say Ife conquered Bini because of Omo'n'oba's Ife ancestry if you can't deal wit Bini having Ife lineages sorry you can go sue them 3 Likes |
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