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Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by tonychristopher: 2:15pm On May 07, 2015 |
Another one Bragging and loudmouth I think I am done with you Mr.somebody Why don't you disprove the facts Mr. Somebody TonySpike: |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by tonychristopher: 2:20pm On May 07, 2015 |
macof: History don't die but they are recorded and revisited This is exactly what I have done Research and thank me later One thing is that there are things you can't wish away and one is oduduwa was a Benin prince Two is lagos was a Benin colony Three majority of people in lagos are migrants I rest my case |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by macof(m): 2:33pm On May 07, 2015 |
tonychristopher: You are mad honestly. When ur madness is ever cured come back let's discuss without running into quick conclusions Since all I've done on ur matter is abortive. . I have schooled you oon many past threads about Oduduwa not fitting Ekaladerhan personality Here I schooled u on the Idejo from my first hand experience wit some of their family members But The urge to insult yoruba history, to distort history placing yorubas under Bini is so powerful in you I would have loved to see you claim Igbo colony of Lagos lik you do on past threads Am done with you! Come back when you have gone to Isale-Eko and tell us the chief you interviewed 6 Likes |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by Nobody: 2:42pm On May 07, 2015 |
NigerMan1: Read them and countered them adequately? Lmao! What both kings said were figurative. You've not made any sense and you're the one playing with semantics here and definitely confused. I'm done with this thread really, you're a poor history student or grad. Keep it moving. 1 Like |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by Nobody: 2:43pm On May 07, 2015 |
NigerMan1: These are no supremacy battles, both know their places. You seem to have a problem with interpretation. |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 2:46pm On May 07, 2015 |
macof: You wrote: Lol have you seen this archives in Europe? Europeans now tell yoruba history better than yorubas Man! U are lost Many of you merely know history within the tribal conclave of your tribes and school of thoughts. Here are some of the component parts of our collective history: >> Our past i whole and fragments... >> Many of those of parts were buried, painted, carried away... >> Many parts of out history took place while Europeans were with us... >> Many parts of past were transacted with Europeans such as the Portuguese, French, Germans, British etc >> The Europeans took a great deal of those history with them... >> They later started the FIRST set of archeological excavation, surveying, mapping and detailed write ups... Let me give you some EXAMPLES: When the Benin King opened a diplomatic agreement with the Portuguese, one of the benefits was educational scholarship for the Benin princes to study In European Universities. The Benin Princes went along with their Yoruba, Igbo, Igala etc slaves. The Portuguese merchants, sailors and officials RECORDED all these events and are - today - available in the Portuguese, British Museum for verification See some International Museums here: >> http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/aoa/b/brass_figure_of_a_portuguese-1.aspx >> http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/aoa/i/ivory_mask.aspx >> Also type "Portuguese in Benin" into google, then check between the 3rd and 5th listing to find a PDF from the British, titled: "PDF Benin: an African kingdom - British Museum" You wrote: Oba of lagos cannot come out to say Awori - he is Awori despite his Bini ancestry Were subjects of Oba of Benin[/quote] Bro it seems you missed one or two qualifying words here. Anyway, am happy you admit Oba of Lagos "is Awori despite his Bini ancestry" The next thing is to include this in your GENERAL "Yoruba History" as well. Let all the "Lagos is Yorubaland" crowd know this facts as well. |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by Nobody: 2:49pm On May 07, 2015 |
NigerMan1: Lmao! This man, I fncked up for taking you serious and wasting my time to engage you. My engagement in this discussion has nothing to do with feelings but mere prevention of history distortion which seems to be your trade. The archives say differently from what you believe in and what the website stated. Go and read works by Lagos historians. You seem to be very knowledgable about Yoruba history than a Yoruba for you to have stated sections of Yoruba land do not affect each other yet you took the Oba's statement of Awori Motber and Benin Father literal - yet the Awori originated from Ife but does not affect Oba of Eko/Lagos history. You, my friend, are very confused. Keep it moving. 1 Like |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 3:09pm On May 07, 2015 |
tonychristopher: tonychristopher - they will kill you for this. In fact, watch out, your monica has already been marked for future attacks. Why do you think they're attacking me with much viciousness? There was a previous thread some of them (plus macof) made series of DEROGATORY comments about EDO history, and I countered with facts and figures. Since that day o - NigerMan1 don become 'enemy number 1 Also on this thread, I exposed exactly what you said above and the gates of hell were let loose. In fact macof practically called for the MOD to ' do something' about the 'nonsense' I was writing. You know what the MOD did? They bump this thread to the front page, a few days later. And the discourse was brought to live again. Let me add this: Chief Obafemi Awolowo, took a giant advantage of the term Yoruba to enlarge his political coast via series of psychological propaganda, to build political COLLATERAL for himself. That also explain the major reason those who opposed him in Yorubaland were physically harassed, culturally alienated, politically marooned and traditionally insulted. It was that period the satanic word "OMO ALE" (meaning Bastard) was 'invented' to attack Awolowo rivals. After this, political assassination was introduced. Therefore, in the course of 2-3 decades in Awo's trojanic movement, at least 2 generations were born and matured, and were all emotionally and Psychologically FED with the mantra "we're all YORUBA" cliche. One of the after-effects is that most Yorubas gradually forgot their own roots, peculiar identities, strength, weaknesses, specialties etc and COLLAPSING them into one forceful political entity, but with subtlety, was openly promoted as CULTURE. NOTE: There were other factors, but digest this for now 2 Likes |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 3:12pm On May 07, 2015 |
macof: macof - the issue on the front burner is NOT Yoruba history. You wrote: "I repeat NOBODY DENIES ELEKO'S BINI ANCESTRY BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN EKO WAS CONTROLLED BY OBA OF BENIN" Pure contradiction my bro. |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 3:25pm On May 07, 2015 |
TonySpike: TonySpike - you were the fellow previously accusing me IMPERSONATION? You also were curious about my EDO origin. Bro, emotion and tantrums have no place in History. Go read what I posted to understand full point. I didn't posited "HIERARCHY" but stated 3 power blocs in the core Yorubaland. Olubadan of Ibadan is one of the three after Oonio and Alaafin. Also am very curious, why did you claimed am distorting "YORUBA" history? Do you regard all what you guys have been saying others as DISTORTIONS? Finally, TonySpike I hope you're aware that a typical IBADAN man will disagree with you that Olubadan is junior to any King in Yorubaland |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 3:32pm On May 07, 2015 |
macof: macof - you are rushing to type response without adequately assimilation of the thread. Am not claiming ownership of Lagos. I threw those questions at the fellow (for those Yorubas who're not Aworis, not Epe, or Badagry) to remind him that Lagos is not his ANCESTRY. Bro calm down, there is no SPECIAL; privilege being an indigence of Lagos, so why should I claim Lagos ownership? |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 3:34pm On May 07, 2015 |
macof: Please Mr macof, am claiming Benin ownership of Lagos, it's your mind that's playing the trick. |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by tonychristopher: 3:34pm On May 07, 2015 |
NigerMan1: Lol But I am stating the fact |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 3:39pm On May 07, 2015 |
macof: macof - I will not allow you to turn this discourse into petty TRIBALISM. Bro there is a VAST difference between ANCESTRY and present day TRIBAL GROUPS. You wrote: "Etsako are gradually losing any sign of connection to you lot. ..what wit the islam and Yoruba names they lik to bear now" The Etsakos are Benin descendants, 100%. Now do we say because you have Muslims in Yorubaland, then they are not Yoruba? macof - let me warn you ahead, if you try to turn this thread into personality and tribal bashing, you will be the loser. |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 3:43pm On May 07, 2015 |
tonychristopher: Bro don't worry at all, that social attitude are perfectly ingrained in many Yoruba: They either divert or insult. Remember two of them asked my EDO status? Their intention is to: >> Attack my personality >> Attack my present core tribe >> Spruce up their argument with "EDO DIFFERENCES' 1 Like |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 3:46pm On May 07, 2015 |
macof: macof - I aave a feeling you're AWORI. Are you? If yes, then accept my sympathy because I know about some Awori groups in Isale-Eko deep rooted DISPLEASURE with the Lagos monarchy. I know about the cold-war between different Awori groups among each other on one hand, and against the family of the Lagos monarcy on the other. |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 3:49pm On May 07, 2015 |
TonySpike: TonySpike - stop boasting of who you're not. You have opportunity to show the teacher/professor in you, but you resorted to gutter language. Remember teachers/professors are not same as AGBERO, even in the face of provocation 2 Likes |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 3:55pm On May 07, 2015 |
macof: macof - I did not simply open my mouth to claim Eleko has Benin Ancestry. This facts are there in the palace of the Oba of Lagos. The current Oba of Lagos, Akilou, like Oba Oyekan and others before him, openly acknowledge their Benin Ancestry. However, your "...Omo'n'oba's Ife ancestry" is a complete MYTH - not facts! It's a story you got from the Yoruba mythologies, folklores, fables version. The Benin version is even more elaborate and make more sense, but personally I don't dwell in the realm of mythologies. I love recorded that have local and internal references. |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 3:59pm On May 07, 2015 |
macof: macof - would you please stop running EKO history under so-called YORUBA history. I repeat, Eko history during the period under discourse, was 100% Unique. |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 4:01pm On May 07, 2015 |
9jacrip: I always like how average Yorubaman react to to hot issue he has no answer to: Insulting and subtle Bragging You wrote: "What both kings said were figurative." Yes is figurative - also cultural and spiritual. Figurative in the sense Benin Conquered and Controlled the domain and named it EKO. Figurative that his ANCESTORS were Benin |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 4:08pm On May 07, 2015 |
9jacrip: Oh, my God. I know you guys would love that one MONOLITHIC Yoruba, without rancour, moving in one direction etc. Unfortunately, you all have different backgrounds, so not possible. It's an open fact that they're ever in SUPREMACY battle, which was intensified in the early 60s till date. Many a tiles, they openly INSULTED each other in the public, with the lesser Kings in each blocs taking sides, while throwing salvos and jibes. |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by macof(m): 4:22pm On May 07, 2015 |
NigerMan1: Pls mention this Awori groups against the Eleko You don't know shit about the Awori |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by NigerMan1: 4:30pm On May 07, 2015 |
9jacrip: ... and what archives are you talking about? Many tribes made up Lagos over a course of several CENTURIES, but you're weaving only a Yoruba rope around it. You wrote: "the Oba's statement of Awori Motber and Benin Father literal - yet the Awori originated from Ife but does not affect Oba of Eko/Lagos history." Obviously the Oba's statement really rankled you so much. You wrote: "- yet the Awori originated from Ife but does not affect Oba of Eko/Lagos history." You Yorubas from Ogun, Oshun, Oyo have developed more LOVE for Lagos than your own ANCESTRY. What a pity. And in your quest to affiliate yourself to Lagos at all cost, you continue to create diverse history of the Aworis... ... on this same thread one of your kinsmen claimed "Awori are descendant of Egba" - now you're claiming they are from Ife? Na which one we go come belif nau? However, I challenge you to say this to the face of an Awori man in Ota, Mr. 9jacrip, they will mow you down, in anger. |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by Nobody: 5:01pm On May 07, 2015 |
NigerMan1: You're a one serious weave artist. Awori migrated from Ife but aren't there so many towns before Lagos they settled for short period and moved on from - hence, the spread of awori all over. Nobody is affliliating and attaching. With Awori, Ijebu (ikorodu, Epe and Ajah) and Ikoyi in Lagos, it is only right for Lagos to be Yoruba's business as much as other parts being Lagos business. No time for rants, just sink these in: There's Idejo pre-benin and there's Idejo post-benin. Oloto is the head of Idejos. Olumegbon plays a keyrole. Awori occupy core parts of Lagos. Ijebu also cover many parts of Lagos. Guess what? These groups are Yoruba. For the record, the Oba's speech did not have any effect, what irritates is how you have taken a figurative statement to mean an actual occurrence. I'm done. 4 Likes |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by Nobody: 5:05pm On May 07, 2015 |
NigerMan1: It is still not supremacy, they hold different positions and occupy different thrones. It is a matter of old order vs new order. You can spend your time structuring Benin history you know, rather than waste so muh energy on Yoruba business. 3 Likes |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by Nobody: 5:31pm On May 07, 2015 |
NigerMan1: Quit being sneaky with the average Yoruba being insultive and all, you're not making any sense and you've not made any sense. Dude your interpretation is whack! Omo what school did/do you attend self? 3 Likes |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by macof(m): 8:30pm On May 07, 2015 |
9jacrip:I've decided to ignore the buffoon as I realized he was Esan Imagine an Esan man who's history is largely unknown trying to teach Yorubas our language and history, teach Binis their history and yet declare that only Awori should talk about Awori Imagine Awori are 100% unique When next we need to learn about Aworis we either seek an Awori or an Esan man The man is so pathetic and hypocritical Best you ignore him brother, an Esan can never know the bonds of we Yorubas Jst watch how he would quote me saying Yorubas are divided 2 Likes |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by Nobody: 8:37pm On May 07, 2015 |
macof: I also had to withdraw from engaging those guys further. They are not in anyway Yoruba yet attempt to dictate what Yoruba history should be and what it shoud entail. I've put them on ignore list. 3 Likes |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by MrPresident1: 9:22pm On May 07, 2015 |
NigerMan1: We are hiding under the political term Yoruba right? Tell us which Edo you are, abi is Edo 'monolithic'? The Edo political association is on frontpage. Tell us which Edo you belong to https://www.nairaland.com/2299497/list-all-edo-dialects-where. And I must tell you that being Yoruba actually means being superior, Biblically speaking. The concept of Omoluabi which everyone who calls himself 'Yoruba' automatically subscribes to derives from the Bible. The agglomeration of tribes under the banner of Oduduwa is the Church of the living God, and Jesus Christ, the Head Omoluabi of the universe, is the chief cornerstone. Go into the world and multiply, was the command. Multiply and give birth to your own kind, give birth to more omoluabis. I doubt if you understand me though, there is a reason history (and truth) is couched in cosmology, cosmogony, mythology, and maybe fables. It is so that only the worthy will find it out. In the hands of the unworthy it becomes a bitter raging fire, consuming from the inside, just like it is doing to you. And yet, it is only to the snippets that you have been allowed. Saying history is merely an intellectual or academic assignment suggests to me that you are very unworthy, because if you are, you would be awed by the wisdom of the forebears, you will point the way, and not attempt to destroy the world. Yoruba is superior. Tell us which Edo you are. 2 Likes |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by WilyWily: 10:39am On May 08, 2015 |
TonySpike:Silly Cockroach. |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by tonychristopher: 11:51am On May 08, 2015 |
This isnt a dickk measuring contest, I have been reading NigerMan1: and his approach to issue is matured and accademic so why use Yoruba is superior, in what aspect Thank you..i know you will call me names MrPresident1: |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by MrPresident1: 12:08pm On May 08, 2015 |
tonychristopher: Nigerman1 is the hypocrite that sees the mote in others' eyes but never sees the beam in his. Is Edo monolithic? Is Edo not made up disparate peoples? Is Edo not a political association? I have little regard for people like you and him. Academic approach to History...SMH, Have you ever wondered why history is couched in arcane language? Naff off Mister! 1 Like |
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