Emusan:
One of the arguments that the Watchtower Society raises against Jesus being God in the flesh is the fact that the Holy Bible teaches that God cannot be seen, whereas Jesus was seen:

[size=14pt]Is Jesus God?[/size]

“No man has seen God at any time.”—John 1:18.

WHAT PEOPLE SAY

Many people believe that Jesus is not God. Still, others point to Bible verses that supposedly indicate that Jesus is equal to God. (This indicates that JWs truly knew that some verses in the Bible actually put Jesus in equality with the Father)

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS

The Bible does not portray Jesus as being Almighty God or equal to God. On the contrary, it clearly teaches that Jesus is inferior to God. For example, the Bible records Jesus’ own words: “The Father is greater than I am.” (John 14:28) [size=14pt]The Bible also says: “No man has seen God at any time.” (John 1:18) Jesus cannot be God because many people did in fact see Jesus.[/size]

Jesus’ early followers did not claim that he was God. For example, the Gospel writer John said concerning the things he recorded: “These have been written down that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God.”—John 20:31. (AWAKE! DECEMBER 2013)

*Ironically, the Society interprets this text in reference to Christ, which means that he (JESUS) is the One whom the passage says "no one has seen or can see!"

What basis is there for saying that such phrases as “the one alone having immortality” and the one “whom not one of men has seen or can see” refer to Jesus rather than to Jehovah God?

The apostle Paul wrote: “This manifestation the happy and only Potentate will show in its own appointed times, he the King of those who rule as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords, [size=13pt]the one alone having immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom not one of men has seen or can see.”[/size] —1 Timothy 6:15, 16.

Bible commentators generally reason: ‘How could such phrases as “the one alone having immortality,” the “only Potentate,” and the one “whom not one of men has seen or can see” point to anyone other than the Almighty?’ [size=14pt]ADMITTEDLY, such terms could be used TO DESCRIBE JEHOVAH. However, the context indicates that at 1 Timothy 6:15, 16, Paul WAS SPECIFICALLY REFERRING TO JESUS.[/size]

At the end of verse 14, Paul mentions “the manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (1 Timothy 6:14) Hence, when Paul writes in 1Ti 6 verse 15 that “this manifestation the happy and only Potentate will show in its own appointed times,” [size=14pt]he is referring to a manifestation of Jesus, not of Jehovah God.[/size] Who, then, is the “only Potentate”? It seems reasonable to conclude that Jesus is the Potentate referred to by Paul. Why? The context makes it evident that Paul is comparing Jesus with human rulers. Jesus truly is, as Paul wrote, “King of those [humans] who rule as kings and Lord of those [humans] who rule as lords.”* Yes, compared to them, Jesus is the “only Potentate.” Jesus has been given “rulership and dignity and kingdom, that the peoples, national groups and languages should all serve even him.” (Daniel 7:14) No human potentate can make that claim! (Watchtower, September 1, 2005, Questions From Readers, p. 27; Bold, capital and underline emphasis ours)

There are many descriptions we need to consider in these verses:
1. the one alone having immortality,
2. who dwells in unapproachable light, &
3. whom not one of men has seen or can see.

ONLY A BEING THAT IS UNCREATED can absolutely fit into these three descriptions.
So when Jehovah Witness try to explain the phrase "the one alone having immortality" we see them concluding that Jesus life CAN BY ANY MEANS DESTROYED OR BEYOND DESTRUCTION.

[size=13pt]How can Jesus be “the one alone having immortality”?[/size]

The first one described in the Bible as rewarded with the gift of immortality is Jesus Christ. That he did not possess immortality before his resurrection by God is seen from the inspired apostle’s words at Romans 6:9: “Christ, now that he has been raised up from the dead, dies no more; death is master over him no more.” (Compare Re 1:17, 18.) For this reason, when describing him as “the King of those who rule as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords,” 1 Timothy 6:15, 16 shows that Jesus is distinct from all such other kings and lords in that he is “the one alone having immortality.” The other kings and lords, because of being mortal, die, even as did also the high priests of Israel. [size=14pt]The glorified Jesus, God’s appointed High Priest after the order of Melchizedek, however, has “an indestructible life.”[/size] —Heb 7:15-17, 23-25.

The word “indestructible” here translates the Greek term a•ka•ta′ly•tos, meaning, literally, “indissoluble.” (Heb 7:16, ftn) The word is a compound of the negative prefix a joined to other words relating to a “loosening down,” as in Jesus’ statement regarding the loosening down or throwing down of the stones of the temple at Jerusalem (Mt 24:1, 2), as well as in Paul’s reference to the loosening down of the earthly “tent” of Christians, that is, the dissolving of their earthly life in human bodies. (2Cor 5:1) [size=14pt]Thus, the immortal life granted Jesus upon his resurrection is not merely endless but is beyond deterioration or dissolution and is beyond destruction.[/size] (Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 1, Immortality, pp. 1189-1190; underline & bold emphasis ours)

Main Article: www.answering-islam.org/seen-the-unseen-God-pt_1.html

crusadistic:
of course its always the so-called 'apostle' paul.you've decided to follow paul instead of Jesus.

crusadistic:
of course its always the so-called 'apostle' paul.you've decided to follow paul instead of Jesus.

Rilwayne001:


Lool..Its like this 'No Paul, no christianity'.

malvisguy212:
No muhammed no islam.

malvisguy212:
No muhammed no islam.

Empiree:
Malvisguy2012 is in pain. You know why? . His creed contradicts op even though they are both Christians

Empiree:
Malvisguy2012 is in pain. You know why? . His creed contradicts op even though they are both Christians

mustymatic:

Hehe, Jesus practised Islam,
No Paul no Christianity indeed

Emusan:
Over 200 views but no comment by any Jehovah witness.

malvisguy212:
Jesus practice islam but muhammed is the first muslim. ALL the prophet are Jews but only muhammed is an Arab slave (not prophet) why?

mustymatic:

[b]
Talk true first, then I'll tell you why.

Unlike other religions, Islam is not named after its founder or the community of its birth. Islam is an attributive title that signifies obedience to God, the Creator of the Universe. One of its main beauties is that it acknowledges the complete perfection,
Islam's timeless and beautiful message is the same message of all Prophets, including Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them all). They all called their people to “Submit to the One True God” which, in Arabic, means to become a “Muslim”. This submission to God; Islam, enables one to fulfil the purpose of life by acknowledging the greatness of God and sincerely worshipping him alone.
God is One and Unique:
*.God has no partners, no equals and no rivals.
*.God has no father, mother, sons, daughters or wives.
* God alone is worthy of all worship.God is the All-Powerful.
*.God has full authority and power over all things.
*.Obedience to God does not increase His Power, nor does disobedience decrease His power.God is the Most High.
*.There is nothing above or comparable to God.
*.The attributes of God do not resemble that of His creation.
*.No part of God is present in anyone or anything.God is Perfect:
*.God does not have any human limitations, such as resting on the seventh day after He created the universe.
*.God always maintains attributes of perfection and does not do anything to compromise this perfection such as “becoming a man” as claimed by other religions. God does not do ungodly acts, so if God became man and took on human attributes, he would, necessarily, no longer be God.
[/b]

malvisguy212:
okay,islam is not named after its founder, right ? But Christianity is name after its founder Jesus CHRIST -christ-like. =christian. As a matter of fact Paul is a Jew and the word "christian" is a Greek. So pleased don't derailed the topic, christians don't go to the Islamic section and do what you guys are doing here.

Jozzy4:


Bro Empir.ee , hehehe explain ur statement make i understand ?

mustymatic:

That's Christianity for you, some believe Jesus is God, some believe he's God's son, some believe Jesus had a God etc...and they are all Christians. Smh

malvisguy212:
No muhammed no islam.

mustymatic:

That's Christianity for you, some believe Jesus is God, some believe he's God's son, some believe Jesus had a God etc...and they are all Christians. Smh

Jozzy4:


You go wait tire ! Those guys hardly engage in a conversation where the OP is a confuse man

Let me ask you :

QUESTION 1: do you admit what they admit ? I mean do you agree with them that Paul is talking about Jesus ?

QUESTION 2: what do you understand by " no man has seen God AT ANYTIME" Joh 1:18 emphasis on " at anytime" ?

Emusan:
Sometimes it's good to be silent than to be proven ITK.



If your emphasis is on the phrase AT ANYTIME

Did you read in the OP the emphasis on those verses quoted?

Here is one of the emphasis: [size=14pt]"...whom not one of men has
seen or can see.”[/size] —1 Timothy 6:15, 16.

NOTICE THIS: NOT ONE OF MEN HAS SEEN
What do you understand by this and AT ANYTIME?

Jozzy4:

Typical confuse man.
Answer my 2 questions and stop runing in circles

Emusan:


Your first question is baseless because if those verses weren't talking about Jesus Christ I won't be here.



Your second question has been answered through my reply.

Just let me know any part you aren't clear with.

Jozzy4:
Okay , you agree with the JW'S that paul is refering to Jesus.

Nw answer the second part ! "No man has seen God at anytime " john 1:18 , question : didnt people see Jesus sometimes?

Concerning That verse giving you headache, the verse said " dwelling in unapproachable lights" , that phrase in the context reveal that since his ascension to heaven, he dwells in unapprochable light therefore no man has see or can see him anymore . Paul's journey to damascus prove this fact , it was the light from Jesus WHOM PAUL HIMSELF CANT SEE that makes him blind . Its indeed unapproachable .

Rilwayne001:


I would have love to make myself clear, but since you are not of sound mind, then there is no point wasting my effort on you. You are noticed.

Emusan:


Or am I missing something for such?

They do!

and that's the purpose of this thread so that JWs can explain to us after Jesus was seen by many Apostle Paul can still use THREE ATTRIBUTES THAT MAKES GOD GOD FOR JESUS of which JWs openly ADMITTED.

Whereas it's only God who dwells in unapproachable light.

Or has Angel ever described to dwell in unapproachable light before?

Again before you twist that verse, the verse says [size=14pt]"whom not one of men HAS SEEN..."[/size]

This never talked about His ascension or resurrection.
I know you purposely put ascension to heaven in other to explain away the events that happened during 40days of .

Jozzy4:
you
agree with them , YET you culd say @ op " Ironically, the society interprete this text in reference to Jesus" , See your confusion status ?

They do ! End of story

Did paul say whom no man has seen AT ANYTIME ? Its clear, You are the confuse person

Jozzy4:


Okay , you agree with the JW's that paul is refering to Jesus .
YET you said @ op " Ironically, the society interpretes this text in reference to Jesus" . Mr man ,Why are you so confuse ?


Nw answer the second part ! "No man has seen God AT ANYTIME " john 1:18 , question : didnt people see Jesus sometimes ?

Concerning That verse giving you headache , the verse said " dwelling in unapproachable lights" , that phrase in the context reveal that since his ascension to heaven, he dwells in unapprochable light therefore no man has see or can see him anymore . Paul's journey to damascus prove this fact , it was the light from Jesus WHOM PAUL HIMSELF CANT SEE that makes him blind . Its indeed unapproachable .

mustymatic:

That's Christianity for you, some believe Jesus is God, some believe he's God's son, some believe Jesus had a God etc...and they are all Christians. Smh