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Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by Jozzy4: 2:34pm On Aug 13, 2015 |
Emusan:And who told you Jesus is not created ? Proverb 8:22 " The LORD Made me (Jesus) as the beginning of his way, the earliest of HIS ACHIEVEMENT" so jesus dwell in unapprochable light when he was on earth, abi? tell me when he start dwelling in unaprochable light, lets see if its not after his ascension to heaven ? 2 Likes |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by Jozzy4: 2:38pm On Aug 13, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Whom did men saw ? Jesus Or God . |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by MizJanet(f): 3:09pm On Aug 13, 2015 |
Jozzy4: Joz , pls dont mention me on this kinda silly thread again . @ Emusan and malvisguy212 , explain this contradictions: " whom no man HATH seen" 1Tim 6:15 BUT the same bible said men have seen Jesus " We Have seen the Lord" John 20:25 Section 2 : " whom no man Can See " 1tim 6:15 Yet the same bible said men will see him " Look! He is coming ... And every eye will see him" Rev 1:7 Waiting ... 2 Likes |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by malvisguy212: 5:47pm On Aug 13, 2015 |
Jozzy4:men only saw God (Jesus , the word ) when he made his dwellings in the flesh, the bible clearly say God is a spirit , NO man has ever seen the true nature of God. In the old testament, Jesus appear to the prophet either as the word of God or son of man: Daniel 7:13 "In my VISION at night I looked, and there before me was one like a SON OF MAN ,coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. Here in Daniel vision, he saw the son of man. Jeremiah1:4 ( NIV) The WORD of the LORD came to me, saying. Jeremiah 1:2 To whom the WORD of the LORD came in the days of Josiah the son of … Ezekiel 1:3 The WORD of the LORD came expressly to Ezekiel the priest, the son … Here, the word of they Lord came to this prophet, this prophet did not see this word because its has NO Flesh and in the book of john 1:1 its was this "word" which became FLASH and dwell among us, that was when men began to see the word (Jesus) |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by Jozzy4: 7:15pm On Aug 13, 2015 |
malvisguy212: So men saw God , peter and all the apostles saw God , the pharisees saw God Abi ? Yet scripture said " No Man Has Seen God AT ANYTIME" Joh 1:18 . Who is lying between you both ?
God is a spirit ? Not flesh anymore . Meanwhile , do u read that God also said he is worshipping the other God thats a spirit ? John 4:22 , God worship God , abi ? 2 Likes |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by malvisguy212: 7:32pm On Aug 13, 2015 |
Jozzy4:okay, I see what you are doing now, selecting the post that favour your argument and leave the KEY WORD. Man only saw the EMBODIMENT of God and NOT the true nature of GOD. |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by Sanchez01: 7:40pm On Aug 13, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:You really think so |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by Jozzy4: 8:54pm On Aug 13, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Brother malvisguy212 , since you hav confess Jesus is not the true nature of God , tell us : Who is God ? 2 Likes |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by johnw74: 12:24am On Aug 17, 2015 |
Jozzy4: And who told you Jesus is not created ? Emusan the above is a wrong bible translation. John 1:1 is another witness to the proper word in Proverbe 8:22 being "possessed" and not "made". Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by Jozzy4: 5:20am On Aug 17, 2015 |
johnw74: you think you can just wake up from sleep and type anything . nonsense Spotlight on the color part , answer these . 1) just explain to me : what do you mean by Jesus was possessed ? . Ii ) and do you know that the greek septuagint (a very old translation) which Jesus himself quote and used said " MADE"? |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by Nobody: 8:06am On Aug 17, 2015 |
Jozzy4:i'm waiting to see him answer that. |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by Nobody: 8:24am On Aug 17, 2015 |
christianity shouldnt be called christianity, it should have been paulinity, all the confusions are caused by paul the liar, no wonder jeremiah 8:8 is telling us that the bible has been changed by men, since they've lost the truth. if men wrote the book, then it is bound to contradict itself, hence the confusion of christians, smh. |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by malvisguy212: 8:39am On Aug 17, 2015 |
lexiconkabir:and islam shall be called what ? Abrogated religion!! Of all the religions in the world it is only islam (Allah) change his revelation and replace it with different one , and still the abrogated verses are still in the book. Islam is a blind faith . Surah 5:101-102: “O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble …Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith.” (Yusuf Ali) Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 3, Number 92: Narrated Abu Musa: The Prophet was asked about things which he did not like, but when the questioners insisted, the Prophet got angry. EVEN SO, WE STILL NEED TO ASK: Why did Allah and Muhammad discourage people from asking questions? What is Islam trying to hide? Is blind faith the way to Islam? Why did Muhammad become angry at those who asked him questions? Why were people warned by Allah not to ask questions? How is that in Islam, questioning can lead to losing one’s faith? Does not this prove that even the right answers can lead to losing one’s faith in Islam? Only an information control cult would discourage anyone from asking questions. Is it rational to accept any one religion as the true religion without investigating or questioning it? Surely not! Therefore, we will now question Muslims about the teachings of Islam. |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by malvisguy212: 8:50am On Aug 17, 2015 |
Jozzy4:your mind is dark and corrupt, is this what you learn from my post ? Has anyone ever seen the nature of God ? What men saw is the embodiment of God, the bible clearly say Jesus exist as a spirit before Abraham was , which NO man saw, men only began to see Him when he made his dwellings in the flesh. |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by malvisguy212: 9:00am On Aug 17, 2015 |
Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jehovah is God and “is the name of the true God only” According to their doctrine, Jehovah, not Christ, is God Almighty. Yet, man HAS SEEN Jehovah. Genesis chapter 18 records an occasion when “Jehovah appeared” to Abraham near Mamre (vs. 1). Jehovah spoke directly to Abraham (vs. 13), and the faithful servant of God “stood before the Lord” (vs. 22). The final verse of Genesis 18 states: “And Jehovah went his way, as soon as he had left off communing with Abraham. And Abraham returned unto his place” (vs. 33). If Jehovah’s Witnesses were consistent with their argument, Jehovah could not be Almighty God because man has seen Jehovah. If John 1:18 somehow disqualifies Jesus from being God, it must also prohibit “Jehovah” from being God, because they both were seen. What Bible students must understand is that man has only seen MANIFESTATIONS of God (i.e, in human flesh, or in the midst of a burning bush, Exodus 3:2, etc.); he has never seen God (the Father or the Son) in His true spirit image. |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by Nobody: 9:05am On Aug 17, 2015 |
malvisguy212, just as rilwayne said, you are not of sound mind, and since i have had encounter with you in the past, i think i agree with him, if i refute your claim you may come up with another rubbish and that will a waste of my time, so i leave you to your confused and deluded mind. 2 Likes |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by malvisguy212: 9:13am On Aug 17, 2015 |
lexiconkabir:nonsense!! You have nothing to say. Just stay mute. |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by Nobody: 9:17am On Aug 17, 2015 |
malvisguy212:because you couldnt refute jeremiah 8:8 you tried to divert my attention. LOL. |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by true2god: 9:53am On Aug 17, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:Yes, you are right. Christians have many sects and denominations. You will also agree with me that islam also have different sects and denominations. Tradtion even had it that mohammed predicted that islam with fragment into 72 (or 73) sects but only one sect will be the true one. Is that not confusion is islam? You also failed to mention that, inspite of the varition of doctrines among the christian churches, you can never hear or see any church physically bombing or attacking each other. In islam, the shia are being killed by the sunnis in their mosque in saudi arabia, pakistan, afghanistan, sudan, etc while the iranians are oppressing the sunnis. The sunnis are equally killing the ahmadiyyas in pakistan in the name of 'blasphemy' against the islamic pedophille prophet. So when you look at it in a proper perspective, devoid of islamic altaqiyya, christians have rights to disagree in matter of christian theology, without any risk while muslims see anyone that disagree with their own form of islam as a potential target for islamic teorrist killings. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by Rilwayne001: 10:01am On Aug 17, 2015 |
true2god: You didn't get the point I tried to raise in my last post. I'll implore you to read it again. |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by true2god: 10:15am On Aug 17, 2015 |
Jozzy4:The entire book of proverbs chapter 8 talked about wisdom of God, especially in the area of creation. 'Wisdom', as the writer highlited here, is never symbolic or representative of any physical person as the JW want to make us believe. Read the entire chapter to get a better understading and not lifting a verse and use it as an over-aching verse that nullifies the rest of the over 20 verse. And if you say 'wisdom' is made or created you are equally wrong, as being peddled in the Jw New world translation. Wisdom is part and parcel of the nature of God. Wisdom (if you want to personalize it as a person of Jesus) have been with God from the beginning. Can you tell me the time God was without 'Wisdom'? |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by malvisguy212: 10:24am On Aug 17, 2015 |
lexiconkabir:http://christianityresponse..nl/2009/12/refuting-muslim-misuse-of-jeremiah-8-8.html?m=1 |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by Jozzy4: 10:41am On Aug 17, 2015 |
lexiconkabir:malvisguy is a confuse person, he has confess that Jesus Is Not The True nature of God 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by Nobody: 10:44am On Aug 17, 2015 |
malvisguy212:that site is making me understand that the laws are still intact right? if i didnt comprehend with the information on that site please let me know. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by true2god: 10:55am On Aug 17, 2015 |
lexiconkabir:You are wrong, scribes are not prophets, but secrtaries that keep records in the jewish sysnagogues. It is expected that scribes keep clean records of all activities and instructions of the prophets which they are not doing properly. You have to separate the official duty of jewish scribes from the totality of the Judeo-christian scriptures. And for your information, Jeremiah 8:8 had been written long before mohammed\islam came to be, yet allahh asked muslims to consult the 'torah' and the 'injil' on matters that are not cleared to muslims. So if allahh, knowing fully well that jeremiah 8:8 existed and yet ask muslims to consult the bible, then allahh is all-knwing (according to muslims). Read jeremiah 8:4-22 to have a clearer understanding of the entire context and the jugement of God on lying scribes. Mohammed is the one that encouraged muslims to lie. See hadith below: Bukhari Volume 3, Book 49, Number 857: Narrated Um Kulthum bint Uqba: That she heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “He who makes peace between the people by INVENTING good information or saying good things, is not a liar.” Muslim Book 032, Number 6303: Humaid b. ‘Abd al-Rahman b. ‘Auf reported that his mother Umm Kulthum daughter of ‘Uqba b. Abu Mu’ait, and she was one amongst the first emigrants who pledged allegiance to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him), as saying that she heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: A liar is not one who tries to bring reconciliation amongst people and speaks good (in order to avert dispute), or he conveys good. Is the hadith above weak or fabricated? |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by true2god: 11:02am On Aug 17, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:You claimed that christianity is a confused religion and I told you that yes, there are slight doctrinal differences in chritian denominations yet they dont fight or kill each other because of that. A non-catholic can preach against catholic doctrine in rome and go scot-free. If a person, who claim to follow ahmadiyya teachings, is found is mecca, he will be killed. Can you see the difference? |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by Rilwayne001: 11:11am On Aug 17, 2015 |
true2god: I think the problem is not even what they believe. The problems stems from the bible...., The above is my point, not the straw you are trying to attack. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by Nobody: 11:20am On Aug 17, 2015 |
@true2god didnt i and some other muslims refute your wrong understanding of those hadiths in the past? dont bother to ask me where. your explanation still proves what we have been saying that the bible contradicts itself. torah is the law of moses which the christians believe jesus cancelled due to some verses yet jesus said he did not come to cancel(a contradiction on its own), the quran came to buttress the injil and torah, mind you injil is the gospel of what jesus said himself not what they(paul, peter, mattew, luke etc) said about him. if you follow what jesus said himself, it is 100% islamic. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by true2god: 11:59am On Aug 17, 2015 |
lexiconkabir:For God so loved the world that he gave his only beggotten son, that whoso-ever believ in him shall not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16). Do you believe this statement by Jesus or a usual lying altaqiyyaric muslim who said they believe in Jesus more that christians but deny most of his word? Jesus said, 'God sent his only begotten son', do you belief in this Jesus' statement? |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by Nobody: 12:04pm On Aug 17, 2015 |
true2god:bro i said statement made by jesus, you are quoting john for me. |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by Nobody: 1:00pm On Aug 17, 2015 |
malvisguy212: You are just trying to escape jozzy4's point. Those Abraham saw were angels. But one bore the divine name cos he represented God. He led the group. |
Re: Jehovah Witness! After Admitting This, Why Do You Still Claim Jesus Isn't God? by Nobody: 1:12pm On Aug 17, 2015 |
If you wànted a witness to respond, why don't u invite them? How can one bearing a term that can apply to God mean that that one is God? You ve started with this ur puerile argument. Emusan: |
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