johnw74:

Enlightening, it's impossible to be enlightened from studying a changed and perverted bible.
The jw nwt bible.

Sorry no enlightenment for u.

JMAN05:


U need eye glass. Reread.

U can't be honest,
point it out.

JMAN05:


Sorry no enlightenment for u.

Changing the Bible, "God" to "a god" in John 1:1 is jw enlightenment.

More jw changes here:


What do we know about Jesus?

Jesus always was:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God
and the Word was God. (John 1:1)

This verse is so important, It tells us that the Word, which is Jesus,
always existed. It tells us that the Word, which is Jesus, is God.

If your Bible changes any word or adds anything in these verses then
you are reading a Bible written by Satan! throw it out and leave the
religion that wrote that Bible! Stick to the King James Bible or new
King James Bible only.

Be very careful!

New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures is the Bible of the
Jehovah's Witnesses. It is written by the New World Bible translation
Committee and published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society
of New York Inc. That have made many errors with their publications.
They changed many, many verses to comply with their false teachings.

Continue here:
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=wRxaAAAAQBAJ&pg=PT98&dq=changed+verses+in+the+new+world+translation&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAGoVChMIs__ehaW3xwIViNumCh2RxAqO#v=onepage&q=changed%20verses%20in%20the%20new%20world%20translation&f=false

Here is another person who doesn't believe that Jesus is God in the flesh.
You are becoming like him.


Hello, I'm Darwin Bedford, the Atheist Messiah, and if that self-made bastard, Jesus, returns again I think we should really nail him to a cross and let Him hang suffering until death. The last time He died, He was executed by a handful of Jewish elders by them throwing Him off a rooftop. Then He was thrown onto the top of a cross for public viewing so that the villagers could see that He was executed by the elders. That's how people were executed at that time in history when Jesus was alive. Yes, if His Holy Transformer (God) turns himself into human flesh once again then maybe we could hire some of Mel Gibson's extras from "The Passion Of The Christ" to punish Him first. I'm getting to be an elder myself--if only I could execute people for making extraordinary false claims.

http://www.if-jesus-returns-kill-him-again.com/index.html

http://undojesus.org/



He say's that he does not hate.
Speaking lies is speaking naturally for him too.

2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Thrown into the Lake of Fire for Eternity, what a price to pay for a few moments of self glory.

johnw74:


Changing the Bible, "God" to "a god" in John 1:1 is jw enlightenment.

More jw changes here:


What do we know about Jesus?

Jesus always was:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God
and the Word was God. (John 1:1)

This verse is so important, It tells us that the Word, which is Jesus,
always existed. It tells us that the Word, which is Jesus, is God.

If your Bible changes any word or adds anything in these verses then
you are reading a Bible written by Satan! throw it out and leave the
religion that wrote that Bible! Stick to the King James Bible or new
King James Bible only.

Be very careful!

New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures is the Bible of the
Jehovah's Witnesses. It is written by the New World Bible translation
Committee and published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society
of New York Inc. That have made many errors with their publications.
They changed many, many verses to comply with their false teachings.

Continue here:
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=wRxaAAAAQBAJ&pg=PT98&dq=changed+verses+in+the+new+world+translation&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAGoVChMIs__ehaW3xwIViNumCh2RxAqO#v=onepage&q=changed%20verses%20in%20the%20new%20world%20translation&f=false

Lie lie, no enlightenment for u. Sorry.

johnw74:


U can't be honest,
point it out.

Smh for u.

JMAN05:


Smh for u.

jw reply concerning his false accusation, shows the queer spirit in jw.

JMAN05:


Lie lie, no enlightenment for u. Sorry.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (theos), and the Word was God (theos).

jw calls John 1:1 "Lie lie".
What else would be expected of those who have changed the bible to suit their false doctrines.
That is off the devil.

The Spirit that is in the Watchtower Society
it's the spirit of har-lot babylon - false religion


Jehovah's Witnesses hid child sex abuse

THE opening day of a royal commission hearing into abuse within the church has heard how 1006 allegations of child abuse since 1950 were dealt with internally and never reported to police.
It has also heard that victims were made to confront their abusers and left feeling as if they had sinned.

"He said the church was preoccupied with sin and sinning."

http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/jehovahs-witnesses-face-inquiry/story-e6frfku9-1227458045290



‘Out of the mouth of babes’ – young woman exposes JW organization

"One woman who allegedly blamed for being raped and the other was abused as a child and nothing was done by congregation elders."

http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/news/out-of-the-mouth-of-babes-young-woman-exposes-jw-organisation



More Links to the Evil's of Jehovah's Witnesses at this Page

http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/


The Spirit behind Watchtower society is satan.

johnw74:



Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (theos), and the Word was God (theos).

jw calls John 1:1 "Lie lie".
What else would be expected of those who have changed the bible to suit their false doctrines.
That is off the devil.

Confuse man , if the JW's are wrong to translate theos as a god ; why did the king james version translate theos as "a god" in Act 28:6 ? Why not properly translate theos as God in Act 28:6 ?

Jozzy4:


Confuse man , if the JW's are wrong to translate theos as a god ; why did the king james version translate theos as "a god" in Act 28:6 ? Why not properly translate theos as God in Act 28:6 ?

confused unbeliever, theos is translated "a god" in Acts because it's referring to the Apostle Paul not God.
theos is used twice in John 1:1 in just that one short verse, and it is talking off God and the Word of God,
it is clear to any believer that it's God in both instances.

johnw74:


, theos is translated "a god" in Acts because it's referring to the Apostle Paul not God.

Really ; Ok, Who is God ?

Theos is used twice in John 1:1 in just that one short verse, and it is talking off God

Going by ur explanation above, this is the ONLY PERSON that fits theos as God .

and the Word of God,
it is clear to any believer that it's God in both instances.

@ underlined , BOTH ? Do u now have two Gods ?

Jozzy4:


Really ; Ok, Who is God ?

Of course jw doesn't know who God is.

Going by ur explanation above, this is the ONLY PERSON that fits theos as God .

Boy you confused.

@ underlined , BOTH ? Do u now have two Gods ?

There are two persons in John 1:1, One God
You say God and the Word are two God's
Do you know anything at all?

Jehovah's Witnesses and their many false prophecies

jw:
1899 " . . . the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time Is at Hand, 1908 edition, p. 101).


That is just one of many false Prophecies of the jw's
jw have given many dates and statments as fact which have fallen by the wayside, and they then say it is a learning or some excuse.
But God say's they are false prophets.


Read some false jw prophecies here:
https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses-and-their-many-false-prophecies

johnw74:

There are two persons in John 1:1, One God

Silly idea from an indoctrinated man, Two persons who are WITH each other cannot be One God , CAN YOU SHOW ME A SINGLE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS " GOD AND JESUS ARE ONE GOD" ? ? Or its just johnw74's personal idea ?

Your failure to show me that scripture that says they are one God will expose you .

Jozzy4:


Silly idea from an indoctrinated man, Two persons who are WITH each other cannot be One God , CAN YOU SHOW ME A SINGLE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS " GOD AND JESUS ARE ONE GOD" ? ? Or its just johnw74's personal idea ?

Your failure to show me that scripture that says they are one God will expose you .

Oh silly person, God and the word is two persons, and God is One.
You will never understand it.

johnw74:

There are two persons in John 1:1, One God
You say God and the Word are two God's

I love the way you separate the Word from God Himself , The last time I checked you said theos with capital " G" is used only for God . And thats why theos in act 28:6 remains " a god" coz paul is not God himself ! So also you separate the Word from God himself .


beautiful .

johnw74:


God and the word is two persons,

Wow again ! You perfectly separate the Word FROM God himself

Wow wow

and God is One.

Self explanatory !

" for us there is One God , The Father "
1cor 8:6

Jozzy4:


I love the way you separate the Word from God Himself , The last time I checked you said theos with capital " G" is used only for God . And thats why theos in act 28:6 remains " a god" coz paul is not God himself ! So also you separate the Word from God himself .


beautiful .

Duh, "the Word was with God"

Jozzy4:


Wow again ! You perfectly separate the Word FROM God himself

Wow wow


and God is One.

Self explanatory !

" for us there is One God , The Father "
1cor 8:6

Duh again, "the Word was with God" ..................... and "the Word was God"

but you will never know or believe.

Christians agree with the Bible that Jesus-the Word is God,
jw agree with the pharacees that Jesus-the Word is not God.



Isa 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Isa. Jehovah made all things
Col. Jesus-the Word made all things

Jehovah said He made all things alone, showing that Jehovah and Jesus-the word is God
Jehovah said He made all things by Himself showing that Jehovah and Jesus-the Word is God

johnw74:

Duh again, "the Word was with God" ..................... and "the Word was God"
but you will never know or believe.

Tell us where the scripture said God and the word are ONE GOD ? U dont know.

Polytheist ; Tell us, who is God praying to ? Another God ?

JMAN05:


Sorry no enlightenment for u.

Enlightenment from a lie lie person following lie lie organization.

@johnw74
Please don't follow them with caustic words.

If you want to catch JWs on John 1:1 just show them how they've used spiritist source like Johannes Greber and John S. Thompson whom they themselves confessed to be involved in spiritism.

Look at the attached pix it's a letter from self acclaimed mouth pic of God to Johannes Gerber's foundation.

But they say the light getting brighter instead of acknowledging their devil inspiration.

Jozzy4:

Tell us where the scripture said God and the word are ONE GOD ? U dont know.

You have been shown one verse many times but you still cannot see it.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Polytheist ;

I have said God is One, but you are a false accuser.

Tell us, who is God praying to ? Another God ?

You must mean Jesus, He is praying to the Father.

You don't understand anything told you, and you cannot without the Spirit,
and you disbelieve and question the Bible verses posted.

Emusan:


Enlightenment from a lie lie person following lie lie organization.

@johnw74
Please don't follow them with caustic words.

If you want to catch JWs on John 1:1 just show them how they've used spiritist source like Johannes Greber and John S. Thompson whom they themselves confessed to be involved in spiritism.

Look at the attached pix it's a letter from self acclaimed mouth pic of God to Johannes Gerber's foundation.

But they say the light getting brighter instead of acknowledging their devil inspiration.

It is very easy to see the spirit that inspires jw, that is why not many reply to them.

BUMP



What do we know about Jesus?

Jesus always was:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God
and the Word was God. (John 1:1)

This verse is so important, It tells us that the Word, which is Jesus,
always existed. It tells us that the Word, which is Jesus, is God.

If your Bible changes any word or adds anything in these verses then
you are reading a Bible written by Satan! throw it out and leave the
religion that wrote that Bible!

Be very careful!

New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures is the Bible of the
Jehovah's Witnesses. It is written by the New World Bible translation
Committee and published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society
of New York Inc. That have made many errors with their publications.
They changed many, many verses to comply with their false teachings.

Continue here:
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=wRxaAAAAQBAJ&pg=PT98&dq=changed+verses+in+the+new+world+translation&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAGoVChMIs__ehaW3xwIViNumCh2RxAqO#v=onepage&q=changed%20verses%20in%20the%20new%20world%20translation&f=false

Emusan:


Enlightenment from a lie lie person following lie lie organization.

@johnw74
Please don't follow them with caustic words.

If you want to catch JWs on John 1:1 just show them how they've used spiritist source like Johannes Greber and John S. Thompson whom they themselves confessed to be involved in spiritism.

Look at the attached pix it's a letter from self acclaimed mouth pic of God to Johannes Gerber's foundation.

But they say the light getting brighter instead of acknowledging their devil inspiration.

This Greber 'coverup' is disgusting, Isn't it?
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/129299/this-greber-coverup-disgusting-isnt?page=3

No wonder the Bible describes false christianity as Har-lot Babylon or the whor-e
the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit

johnw74:


You must mean Jesus, He is praying to the Father.

You don't understand anything told you, and you cannot without the Spirit,
and you disbelieve and question the Bible verses posted.

Okay, God is praying to another God , abi ?

I thought God is an hearer of prayer , hehehe God is now praying to another God . This is serious

Funny enough , The last time I checked , there are JW'S in over 230 lands ; Keep Ranting, they dont even know you exist .

BUMP

johnw74:

Jehovah's Witnesses and their many false prophecies

jw:
1899 " . . . the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time Is at Hand, 1908 edition, p. 101).


That is just one of many false Prophecies of the jw's
jw have given many dates and statments as fact which have fallen by the wayside, and they then say it is a learning or some excuse.
But God say's they are false prophets.


Read some false jw prophecies here:
https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses-and-their-many-false-prophecies

BUMP

johnw74:

The Spirit that is in the Watchtower Society
it's the spirit of har-lot babylon - false religion


Jehovah's Witnesses hid child sex abuse

THE opening day of a royal commission hearing into abuse within the church has heard how 1006 allegations of child abuse since 1950 were dealt with internally and never reported to police.
It has also heard that victims were made to confront their abusers and left feeling as if they had sinned.

"He said the church was preoccupied with sin and sinning."

http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/jehovahs-witnesses-face-inquiry/story-e6frfku9-1227458045290



‘Out of the mouth of babes’ – young woman exposes JW organization

"One woman who allegedly blamed for being raped and the other was abused as a child and nothing was done by congregation elders."

http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/news/out-of-the-mouth-of-babes-young-woman-exposes-jw-organisation



More Links to the Evil's of Jehovah's Witnesses at this Page

http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/


The Spirit behind Watchtower society is satan.

johnw74:
This Greber 'coverup' is disgusting, Isn't it?
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/129299/this-greber-coverup-disgusting-isnt?page=3

No wonder the Bible describes false christianity as Har-lot Babylon or the whor-e
the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit

I didn't even have that link before but the one I have is much revealing.

That's why you won't see them again anytime you begin to bring reality to their faces.

See the summary of these two links:
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/watchtower_greber.htm

*Here the Watchtower knew since 1955-1956 that Greber is a spirit medium
*In December 20, 1980 the Governing Body of JWs sent letter to Greber's Foundation for receiving the COPIES of both Greber's New Testament and his book titled "Communication with the Spirit World of God--Its Laws and Purpose" NOTE: they must have gotten them through a particular ADDRESS.
*After this letter people began to ask the society question for instance Keith Morse of Personal Freedom Outreach (PFO) wrote a letter to the society in (December 10, 1981) on how he can get Greber's translation, the society respond was "With reference to your inquiry regarding the publication the New Testament, by Johannes Greber, [size=14pt]we have to inform you that we do not publish or stock this book.[/size] In line with your comments, on the title page of our library copy of this book, against the date 1937, [size=14pt]the publishers are given as John Felsburg, Inc., 88 N. Fourth Ave., New York, NY. This is really the only information that we have,...[/size]

Notice the BOLD part;
@bold1-they claimed THEY DON'T STOCK THE BOOK was it that immediately they received the copies they quickly quote them and throw them away?
@bold2-they say the only information they have is the address of their library copy (not 'copies') which was the 1937 John Felsburg edition. Just imaging

*Their respond to Keith Morse prompted M. Kurt Goedelman of PFO to write the Society about this letter dated September 27, 1982. The letter is lengthen which I can't quote for the sake of space but it's on the link. But let me extract this from his letter "Thus I restate my question as to why the writers of Watchtower material are in use of a double standard. That is, numerous Watchtower publications roll off your presses instructing members to have nothing to do with spiritistic works, then they themselves quote from spiritistic material to endorse the theology of Jehovah's Witnesses.... Also in closing I would very much appreciate your comments concerning the enclosed photocopied Watchtower letter to Mr. Keith Morse (marked "Figure #4". The Society informed Mr. Morse that they do not know where to obtain a Greber 'New Testament' translation and only furnished him with an out-of-date address..."

*You know what [size=14pt]as a numerous questions from the readers the society stop using the works of Greber in April 1, 1983[/size] "Why, in recent years, has The Watchtower not made use of the translation by the former Catholic priest, Johannes Greber?

This translation was used occasionally in support of renderings of Matthew 27:52, 53 and John 1:1, as given in the New World Translation and other authoritative Bible versions...Watchtower 1/4/83

Can you see how they OPENLY ADMITTED THAT THEY USED IT IN SUPPORT OF John 1:1?

Second link is more the same as the first just that it makes comparison between Greber's teaching with that of JWs
http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Greber.htm

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Some Greber's DOCTRINE (From his book: Communication with the Spirit World of God--Its Laws and Purpose):
[b]1. God has a Body: Material forms are images of spiritual forms, and since all material things have form and shape, so, too, have all spiritual things, and so, also, has God. ... Inasmuch, then, as God has a shape, He can be seen by the other spirits. (p. 260-61)
2. God Is Not Omnipresent: Inasmuch as God possesses shape and personality, He is not omnipresent ... as a personified spirit He is not everywhere. (p.261)
3. God Is Not Omniscient: You have plenty of proof that I am a truthful spirit ... When I tell you that God has no foreknowledge of the voluntary actions of men, I am not detracting from His greatness. ... such unerring foreknowledge is possessed by no spirit, nor even by God Himself. (p. 263,265)
4. Christ is God's First & Highest Creation: Christ is the highest of the spirits created by God and the sole one to be created directly. ... Christ Himself was not God, but only the first of God's sons. ... Christ is the highest spirit which the omnipotent God could create. Christ ... is the first created "son of God", and as such, His highest and most perfect Creature.(p. 301, 267)
5. Christ is God's Agent in Creation, Not the Creator: Save for the first created Son of God, the entire spirit-world was brought into existence not by direct Divine creation ... but was called into being through the Son upon whom God had conferred creative power.(p.267-

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The same DOCTRINE by JWs:
1. God has a Body: The bodies of spirit persons (God, Christ, the angels) are glorious. (Insight on the Scriptures p.348)
2. God Is Not Omnipresent: The true God is not omnipresent, for he is spoken of as having a location. (Insight on the Scriptures p.969)
3. God Is Not Omniscient: Jehovah has the ability to foreknow events, but the Bible shows that he makes selective and discretionary use of that ability ... (Reasoning from the Scriptures p.141)
4. Christ is God's First & Highest Creation: Thus the Scriptures identify the Word (Jesus in his prehuman existence) as God's first creation, his firstborn Son. (Insight on the Scriptures Vol. 2 p.52) ... This means that [Jesus] was created before all the other spirit sons of God, and that he is the only one who was directly created by God. (You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth p. 58)
5. Christ is God's Agent in Creation, Not the Creator: The Son's share in the creative works did not make him a co-Creator with his Father. The power for creation came from God through his holy spirit... ((Insight on the Scriptures Vol. .2 p.52)

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I think the best questions to ask here is since JWs has admitted that Johannes Greber is a spiritst according to their April 1, 1983 and as seen from above
1. while is there so much SIMILARITY DOCTRINE between what a SPIRITIST believed and the self acclaimed mouth piece of God JWs?
2. Was Greber right with all his DOCTRINE?

@ Emusan , confuse man ; You Start a thread you cant handle then you start derailing .


Here is my first statement on this thread

" those guys ( JW's) hardly engage in a conversation where the op is a confuse man" .


Gradually , you proved the point as true ; all you now do is deviate from the main point of the thread just to save face .

You guys gat big problem .