MizJanet:


Explain psam 90:2 and prov 8:24

NumberOne2 : " this is literarily creating mountains and creating words"

*well said* creating word and the word is jesus , thanks for admiting the christian god, jesus is created .

NumberOne2:

And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. - Matthew 1:25
Lets see how smart you are. If brought forth means created like you say, explain it as used above.

NumberOne2:


Ha ha. I had a good laugh. Cross out my question? You know why you cant answer my question?
Cos it will kill your question on this thread. If brought forth only means CREATE, then we will say:

And knew her not till she had brought forth (CREATED) her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus. - Matthew 1:25

But the above cannot be true. Can you honestly see your error?
Atleast I have attempted to answer you once. When you answer this once, I will answer you again. Its a dialogue right not a monologue? Thanks

So the question remains...

CANTICLES:


Am not an atheist like the op ... But she has won you already coz its clear that the brought forth in proverb 8:24 is the same brought forth used in reference to the creation of earth and the world in psalm 90:2 . Funny enough, uv also said literally it means creation .

johnw74:


It's not clear at all, in fact it's wrong.
They are not the same word at all, you are only looking at english translations
the hebrew words in proverbs 8 for "I was brought forth" is chul chiyl
the hebrew word in psalm 90 for "bought forth" is yalad.
they both have diffrent meanings to each other, and each word has more than one meaning.

CANTICLES:


Am not an atheist like the op ... But she has won you already coz its clear that the brought forth in proverb 8:24 is the same brought forth used in reference to the creation of earth and the world in psalm 90:2 . Funny enough, uv also said literally it means creation .

NumberOne2:

And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. - Matthew 1:25
Lets see how smart you are. If brought forth means created like you say, explain it as used above.

NumberOne2:



There is nothing to win or loose here. Atheist or not, we all understand English.
I want to OP to see the futility in FORCING brought forth to ALWAYS be create just to cause confusion.

If you read my post I explained what I meant by create.

But MizJanet has insisted (and even summarize it from my post and everyone elses) that it MUST always be CREATE (irrespective of context).

So the simple question remains...

You can help answer it also. Thanks

CANTICLES:


Calm down ... My response to johnw74 regarding the hebrew word in those two verses reveal the truth .



Explain to me what you meant by create ?



Hey ! Am not defending her , but truth need to be told ... She never go beyond the context of psalm 90:2 and proverb 8:24 that simply means create .



what does the hebrew word chuwl have in common with greek tikto that appear in Matt 1:25 ? They both means " brought forth/Produce"

NumberOne2:

And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. - Matthew 1:25
Lets see how smart you are. If brought forth means created like you say, explain it as used above.

NumberOne2:


Please, leave Greek or Hebrew. She quoted English text and my bible is in English.
Her conversation with that girl was in English and all answers given so far are in English.
A simple understanding of context would have spared us all this mess.
So if your bible is in Greek or Hebrew, you can also help answer the question in such a language.

** MODIFIED **
So the simple question remains (IN GREEK, HEBREW, YORUBA, IGBO or HAUSA)...

CANTICLES:

I gave you the greek and hebrew root words to dig out the truth . By now you should know Scripture wasnt wriiten in english . Therefore you need a good knowledge of those hebrew and greek root words .


Peace.

NumberOne2:

And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. - Matthew 1:25
Lets see how smart you are. If brought forth means created like you say, explain it as used above.

NumberOne2:


Ha ha. I had a good laugh. Cross out my question? You know why you cant answer my question?
Cos it will kill your question on this thread. If brought forth only means CREATE, then we will say:

And knew her not till she had brought forth (CREATED) her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus. - Matthew 1:25

But the above cannot be true. Can you honestly see your error?
Atleast I have attempted to answer you once. When you answer this once, I will answer you again. Its a dialogue right not a monologue? Thanks

So the question remains...

NumberOne2 : "psalm 90:2 means creating of mountains " prv 8:24 means "Creating of the word "

You said it all .

MizJanet:


NumberOne2 : "psalm 90:2 means creating of mountains " prv 8:24 means "Creating of the word "

You said it all .

NumberOne2:


Yeah, so going by you conclusion, Mary also CREATED her son.
And knew her not till she had brought forth (CREATED) her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. - Matthew 1:25

Look, you logic was dishonest. Just stop posting any further so the thread can leave the front page. Its embarrassing enough as it is.

MizJanet:


According to your book called bible , mary is a woman , so a sensible person knows brought forth in this context means " born or Produce her firstborn .

[s]So, you mean your god is also a woman to brought forth/born mountains (psalm 90:2) and born his companion god the son named jesus (prv 8:24) ?[/s]

NumberOne2:


Ah, so you know the answer. So why the fuss? Refering to the BOLDED above:
So why cant same SENSE be applied to Prov 8:24? Also using John 3:16 like someone posted as a guide to a clearer picture.

I gave you a links to synonyms of brought forth which you ignored: You will see the word "beget". It can also be "produce from within" or "proceed from" (as in John 3:16). Was that so hard? Rather than forcing it to always be CREATE to score cheap points.

Now using this knowledge of context, I am sure you can answer your own question and let the thread rest. Cheers

PS: Jesus is the WORD of GOD. Words are always with a man (or God), you cannot seperate the 2.

NumberOne2:

Oh now the scriptures are NOT in English? However, we have brains to understand CONTEXT irrespective of language.
My first post here criticize the OP English but it was taken as an insult. Look at it now. It is clear!
If the OP was honest, this thread wouldn't be this long as sufficent answers have been given.
So why must the OP insist that (BROUGHT FORTH = CREATED).

** MODIFIED **
So the simple question remains as before after 48 hours (IN ANY LANGUAGE AVAILABLE)...


Ahh, this is fun.

MizJanet:


According to your book called bible , mary is a woman , so a sensible person knows brought forth in this context means " born or Produce her firstborn .

MizJanet:


@underline , confuse man lets apply the same sense in prov 8:24 , good .

Prov 8:24 " I (jesus)was born " ; " I (jesus)was PRODUCED " .

This is very interesting .

CANTICLES:

Mr John , read properly infact what you wrote above will give the person that start this thread more reason to embarass .

Psalm 90:2 " mountains were brought forth (yalad), or you brought forth (chul/chiyl) the earth and the productive land " , are u telling me this doesnt mean our earth is Created ?

CANTICLES:


Am not an atheist like the op ... But she has won you already coz its clear that the brought forth in proverb 8:24 is the same brought forth used in reference to the creation of earth and the world in psalm 90:2 . Funny enough, uv also said literally it means creation .

johnw74:


What I told you is that you are wrong,
the words that "bought forth" come from in Proverbe and Psalms that you quoted
are not the same words, which you said that they are.
Read my reply to you again seeing as you didn't understand it.

johnw74:
The Hebrew words that we get "bought forth" from can mean many things depending on what is being spoken about.

Gen_14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

King Melchizedek didn't give birth to, or create the bread and wine, he bought out bread and wine for Abraham.

In Proverbs 8:23 the Word of God, was "setup" (anointed) - in verse 24 He was "bought forth" to begin the creation of all things.

CANTICLES:


Gentleman, whats the hebrew word translated "brought forth here . " you brought forth the earth and the productive land" psalm 90:2 ?

CANTICLES:


Proverb 8:24 " I was brought forth (chuwl) " and psalm 90:2 " earth and the productive land are brought forth (chuwl)" , ?

NumberOne2:

From your post ABOVE, Mary is a woman so she can "born or Produce". Is God also a woman that you should use the same argument for Him as you have done in your post BELOW? So who is confused?



Ah, you keep making me laugh! Listen to yourself.
You are making the same error again. You have left using (BROUGHT FORTH always = CREATED) its now (BROUGHT FORTH always = PRODUCE/BORN).
You CANNOT use the same context in ALL situations! You are the first person I know that does this.
This is no longer a Religious thread, but an English one. I have always questioned your English comprehension, now it is clear.
Well, thanks for making my day. Had a really good laugh. Cheers

johnw74:



The discussion has been about the diffrent Hebrew words for "bought forth" in proverbs 8:24 "when there were no depths I was bought forth"
and "brought forth" in Psalms 90:2 "befote the mountains were bought forth"
which you wrongly said were the same word.

The sentence being talked about in psalms was not "earth and the productive land are brought forth"
which you have twisted it around to be,
jw twists and lies, and changes the subject etc, often.

CANTICLES:


Bro, a little research would have helped you



Its clear that Jesus and our earth are product of being bear meaning to "give birth to " , its clear the two has same meaning .

johnw74:


for the third time, the discussion was not about "or ever thou hadst formed (chul) the earth and the world" in psalm 90

That guy made a valid point there .

So solve it

" I was BROUGHT Forth (Chul) " prov 8:24

" the earth and the world were BROUGHT Forth ( Chul) " ISV - psalm 90:2 .

Lol , you are exposed

the discussion was about "before the mountains were bought forth (yalad)" in psalm 90

Are u sick ? Yalad and chuwl both means " to bear " which is "born" , The meaning is clear . bible jesus was bear/born too (chul), and when a child is born , you christians say he is CREATED

MizJanet: