plainbibletruth:


From your initial conversation (whether  real or imaginary) your purpose is to 'force' your meaning into the words of the passages you picked. 
"people say" .... but ...."brought forth"
"but why are christians not consistent and straight forward ?"
Your goal then is to arrive at a conclusion that will discredit the position of others. 

Incidentally you deliberately refused to respond to the post that showed you how the use of "brought forth" does not necessarily translate to "create" in Matthew 1:25. You know it will punch a big hole in your argument. 

MizJanet:
Stop derailing my thread
you are saying trash



solve it

Lol , you are exposed



Are u sick ?

johnw74:


[s]
You haven't a clue, you make a fool of yourself and you don't even know it.

You guys have short memory's, I don't waste time explaining anything to jw, other secterians, non believers, liars, those that hate Truth etc.

Remember!

Those that reject the Bible, and hateing the Truth as you do, and those that change God's inspired Word as jw do are lost

2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. [/s]

MizJanet:


See interpretation o, So Jesus while speaking in prov 8:22-27 is a mortal man ?

MizJanet:


I can see you edit and cut out the points that blow you off before quoting my post ,

MizJanet:


I can see you edit and cut out the points that blow you off before quoting my post ,

johnw74:



[s]You haven't a clue, you make a fool of yourself and you don't even know it.

You guys have short memory's, I don't waste time explaining anything to jw, other secterians, non believers, liars, those that hate Truth etc.

Remember!

Those that reject the Bible, and hateing the Truth as you do, and those that change God's inspired Word as jw do are lost

2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them[/s].

theAtheist101:
"Stop the blasphemy against the Lord of host. This just shows you don't truly understand the Bible. To understand, reread the Bible like 50 times (cover to cover) in a year; and if symptoms persist, visit Bible teaching church(es) for explanations; and if symptoms still persist,..... How dare you doubt the Bible? Just watch what would happen to you." -- the mind of a typical christian.

johnw74:



I can see you don't just edit and cut out some of my points , but strike out the whole post that blow you off

BreezyRita:

What are you even saying? Jesus wrote Proverbs

lampardizik:



More like the mind of a typical church goer

theAtheist101:


Which one are you and how did you arrive at this? What parameters do you use to gauge them?

lampardizik:


Church goers...mostly people who were born into a christian home,goes to church on sundays and even every other day,most probably knows all of the acts of God. This group of people try to 'force their God' on others like that text which I did quote.

A Christian is simply a disciple of Christ,spreading the Good News to all the earth

I am a proud member of the latter,although I just joined the family...I was once a church goer.

God Bless you

theAtheist101:


Why is the child of married christians a church goer? Shouldn't he also be a disciple of Jesus from birth, since his/her parents would prayed for such?

lampardizik:


As a child I was greatly influenced by my parents,did what they asked and did not have any say as to how to worship God. This is true for many people,until they come of age,they may not know the difference,and many still continue in the path which they grew in knowing only what they were told and most would not even bother to seek answers,the ones who do and are not satisfied with the answer they get become heart hardened...and so continues the cycle

theAtheist101:


You didn't answer my question. I was asking for the cause of that abnormally before birth, not after birth.

MizJanet:
GIRL: okay, pls whats the second verse

ME: okay, proverb 8:24

GIRL: *she reads in her bible* okay, and whats your point ?

ME: people say that proverb 8 talks about the God of christians , Jesus

GIRL : yes , he is the uncreated creator

ME: really? But the verse I gave you said he too was " brought forth"

GIRL: yeah, he was begotten

ME: created ?

GIRL: NO, begotten

ME: but you told me that anything born is created

GIRL: i dont seem to get you, are you saying Jesus is created ?

ME: *i smiled* but its your bible that said Jesus was brought forth , isnt it ?

GIRL: yes, but I explained to you that it means he was begotten

ME: You have contradict yourself my sister , according to the first verse which says mountains are brought forth , you said it means they are created .

GIRL : *sighs* , but what I know is that Jesus was not created , pls we shall see next time others are waiting for me

ME: so you will leave me , without solving this

GIRL: its not like dat *smiles and walk away* ,



, but why are christians not consistent and straight forward ?

lampardizik:



Before birth,the child is unaware of anything,he knows nothing...an empty book

MizJanet:


Point what I edit and cut from your striked post ?

MizJanet:
GIRL: okay, pls whats the second verse

ME: okay, proverb 8:24

GIRL: *she reads in her bible* okay, and whats your point ?

ME: people say that proverb 8 talks about the God of christians , Jesus

GIRL : yes , he is the uncreated creator

ME: really? But the verse I gave you said he too was " brought forth"

GIRL: yeah, he was begotten

ME: created ?

GIRL: NO, begotten

ME: but you told me that anything born is created

GIRL: i dont seem to get you, are you saying Jesus is created ?

ME: *i smiled* but its your bible that said Jesus was brought forth , isnt it ?

GIRL: yes, but I explained to you that it means he was begotten

ME: You have contradict yourself my sister , according to the first verse which says mountains are brought forth , you said it means they are created .

GIRL : *sighs* , but what I know is that Jesus was not created , pls we shall see next time others are waiting for me

ME: so you will leave me , without solving this

GIRL: its not like dat *smiles and walk away* ,



, but why are christians not consistent and straight forward ?

johnw74:



An intelligent person can read between lines
a dum dum has to be told everything because she has no understanding
however me no waste time explaining to dum dum a frivelous thing.

yommyuk:


[s]
Christ is the manifestation of God in human flesh (John 1:14). This was the only way God could come down to earth to save mankind.

Why?

Habakkuk 1:13
Your eyes are too pure to approve evil, And You can not look on wickedness with favor Why do You look with favor On those who deal treacherously? Why are You silent when the wicked swallow up Those more righteous than they?

God is omnipresence. He is everywhere and nothing is hidden from him. He knows the contents of your heart. He abhors evil. His ultimate goal is to destroy evil.

But then again, God is a loving God, full of mercy.

Ezekiel 33:11
Say to them, 'As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, people of Israel?'
[/s]

MizJanet:

Since you couldnt point out anything , you resort to insults . You aint matured .

This liar couldnt point anything I edit and cut ,

theAtheist101:


Why do god allow this to happen? Why is the child not a Christian from birth, since it would make his making heaven easy?

MizJanet:


OFF TOPIC! Kindly address those two verses presented to the young girl @ op .

lampardizik:



Being a disciple is by choice,once the ability to choose is taken away...well,
And nothing worth while is easy,But these things are based on principles. God has certain principles

johnw74:


[s] Haha you have such a big mouth, and I'm giving you back just a little
MizJanet dishes out a lot but cannot take even a little
what a godless weakling you are
LittleMizWeaky [/s]

yommyuk:


Colossians 1:15-20 New Living Translation (NLT)

Christ Is Supreme
15 Christ is the visible image of the invisible God.
He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,[a]
16 for through him God created everything
in the heavenly realms and on earth.
He made the things we can see
and the things we can’t see—
such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world.
Everything was created through him and for him.
17 He existed before anything else,
and he holds all creation together.
18 Christ is also the head of the church,
which is his body.
He is the beginning,
supreme over all who rise from the dead.[b]

theAtheist101:


What are these principles and how did you know them? Did you get feedback from god about the authenticity of this source? Or did you get feedback from the book about the existence of god?

MizJanet:

Since you couldnt point out anything , you resort to insults . You aint matured .

This liar couldnt point anything I edit and cut ,

MizJanet:


You sound like a programmed robot . Address the two verses @ op or shut your mouth 4eva .

Jesus is supreme yet was brough forth / produced by labour pains prv 8:24

yommyuk:


[s]
The above bold is irresponsible and immature on your part. Growup
In order to understand how Christ was brought forth, u have to understand the concept of His Incarnation. I.e. His Personification, Embodiment, Manifestation, Materialisation.
The divine nature of the Son, united with the Father but not mixed with human nature in one divine Person, Jesus Christ, who was both "truly God and truly man".
You cannot just pick up a verse in the bible and start running around screaming BROUGHT FORTH, CREATED, ETC. It goes deeper than that.
Example
The Words that you speak who owns those Words? Did you create the words? God is all powerful, he has the power to transform himself into anything.
Question for u
How does God have the ability to accommodate the prayers of billions of people at the same time? Does he have a billion ears?
I beg! Wake up from you slumber and join the queue before you lose your soul..
[/s]

MizJanet:


Jesus was brought forth , explain?