hubreality:

Does he need to follow this thread or what the scripture says.

This your bold competition with God and His word is terrible. Never will I debate or argue on this matter, but I'm so sorry for you Sirjohn and co who are in this competition with God and His word, unbelievers and mockers.

SirJohn:

Its a shame that you will always label anyone as evil, atheist or anti-God who does not believe or agree with your Pastors deceptive antics; yet you will not provide any reasonable scriptural backing for your delusions. [/b]I have had disagreements with Image123 on some issues but I must confess that I admire his courage and boldness in [b]defending his faith. I think yo have a lot to learn.

@Image123,
If you will not do away with tithing, then you are under obligation to keep the whole law. You of all people know that the process of transition from the old to the new covenant resulted in the dropping of several physical rites such as sacrifices, washings, sprinkling, sabbaths and tithing. A perfect explanation can be seen from what ttalks described using computer software upgrade (thats if you understand it)

The issue is not just about misuse of the the tithe funds but the bigger issue is that God no longer requires or commands tithes from believers contrary to what a lot of our pastors preach from the pulpit. Only true free-will giving, not of necessecity or compulsion

Justice, mercy also exist in societies that have nothing to do with the 'law', it is not an exclusive attribute of Jews and Christians alone. What Jesus meant there is that the main purpose of the entire law is to foster justice, mercy, etc. but Perverts(Pharisees) have emphasised an enviable system (tithing) for show-offs and selfish ends. Hope you understand. The verse is not meant to rest a doctrine on but to show hypocrisy of the Pharisee.

You have just repeated the lie often told by the pulpit to justify the collection of tithes in monetary form. For your information money was widely in circulation at the time the tithe law was passed, but money was never a tithable item cos tithe was food meant to be eaten in the house of God to assit your understanding please read and meditate over deut 14:22-29 which says:

Deuteronomy 14:22-29:

The Giving of Tithes


22 “You must set aside a tithe of your crops—one-tenth of all the crops you harvest each year. 23 Bring this tithe to the designated place of worship—the place the Lord your God chooses for his name to be honored—and eat it there in his presence. This applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn males of your flocks and herds. Doing this will teach you always to fear the Lord your God.

24 “Now when the Lord your God blesses you with a good harvest, the place of worship he chooses for his name to be honored might be too far for you to bring the tithe. 25 If so, you may sell the tithe portion of your crops and herds, put the money in a pouch, and go to the place the Lord your God has chosen. 26 When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, wine, or other alcoholic drink. Then feast there in the presence of the Lord your God and celebrate with your household. 27 And do not neglect the Levites in your town, for they will receive no allotment of land among you.

28 “At the end of every third year, bring the entire tithe of that year’s harvest and store it in the nearest town. 29 Give it to the Levites, who will receive no allotment of land among you, as well as to the foreigners living among you, the orphans, and the widows in your towns, so they can eat and be satisfied. Then the Lord your God will bless you in all your work


As you can see from the above highlighted even though money was mentioned it was never used directly as tithes. And the instruction was to eat the tithes in the house of God with one's family. the tither was also reminded to give to the poor, needy and levites. Hence tithes is not the exclusive preserve of the levites/church as pastors tend to deceive us with malachi 3:8-10 which fails to define tithes properly

Besides hebrew 7 makes it crystal clear that the commandment of tithing as been anulled and it is not applicable to christians i would post the relevant verses below but i advise you go and read the whole chapter and digest it.


Hebrews 7:5:

5And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

Hebrews 7:11-12:

11If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Hebrews 7:18:

18For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

So the bible is not God's word it only contained God's word? Funny!
Abraham died before the law and he gave tithe. Have you not read that he gave a tithe of the spoil after the slaughter of the kings , and he did not carry the remaining for himself?!
Please read for yourself.
Gen 14:20-24

20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all .

21 And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself.

22 And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,

23 That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:

24 Save only that which the young men have eaten, and the portion of the men which went with me, Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre; let them take their portion.
KJV

So it was not the tithe of his possession or income.
And it was not documented that he was practising it.

Jacob's payment of tithe was a vow (conditiona[/b]l and a personal decision ,[b] not compulsion). And it was never mentioned that he gave tithe again. Even when he got some sheep from Laban he didn't give any as tithe.

I disagree.
Just because it is in the new testament book does not mean it was addressed to believers. Notice he said 'matters of the law'. So when he said they should not have left tithing undone, he was addressing people who were obliged to keep the whole law of Moses. Simply put, the law was binding on Jews.

The apostles once faced a dilenma about what laws gentile believers should or should not keep (that is, everyone who came to know Christ who is not a jew), notice the conclusion they came to from the passage in acts 15:5-29. Also notice that tithing was not in the list

Image123:

Tithing in vogue .

Hebrews 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchizedek there ariseth another priest,
This priest will collect tithe like Melchisedec.

jamace:

I have never given tithe. However, I use my money to take care of my parents, brothers and sisters who are less privileged. Am I indirectly paying my tithes or not? Abeg, make una educate me.

As a christian you are not under any obligation to pay tithes, but you are encouraged to help the needy and less priviledge. Whilst it is good for you to assist the less priviledge members of your family, in my opinion i don't think your christian duty would be complete until you learn to assist the poor and the needy who are not even related to you. Helping your family can be deemed to be your responsibility and not necessarily fufilling the chrsitian mandate to help the needy.

The apostles once faced a dilenma about what laws gentile believers should or should not keep (that is, everyone who came to know Christ who is not a jew), notice the conclusion they came to from the passage in acts 15:5-29. Also notice that tithing was not in the list

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It's good that you know that that the underlined was typed in response to questions by some as to whether Jesus and the apostles paid tithes.

[quote]because the law of tithing is not binding on me and I'm not obeying such law.

Moreso, the issue here is not necessarily about giving. it is about the manipulation from christian leaders using scriptures on tithing that are taken out of context.

Malachi 3 is normally used to point out that not paying tithe attracts a curse from God. But Malachi chapter 1 makes a similar case about the right animal sacrifice. How come no one talks about that one?

Under the new covenant you give not 'pay'. They are two different things. That is one of the reasons why 'tithing' is so incompatible with the 'operating system' of the new covenant believer. The only debt we owe and by implication, the only payment we are to make, is that of loving one another.

OMG!!!, this is definitely not in the bible. Why did you construct this? And why are so many bits of that passage missing?? It looks to me like you're only extracting the portions that can be sewn together to support your position. Now if you feel like piecing stuff together, consider a true fact that can be seen in Hebrews 7:

Back to the original question: What spiritual blessings do you enjoy as a result of your obedience to tithe which non tithers like me and KunleOshob cannot enjoy?

Image123:

@obatoro and co
The above trash logic has been over condoned.maybe that's why it keeps repeating itself.Abeg obatoro,no vex say na during your shift o.Mr please read for yourself,have you ever read that Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils,not a tenth of the king of sodom's property?It would help if you read the whole chapter i.e Genesis 14

Genesis 14:1 And it came to pass in the days of Amraphel king of Shinar, Arioch king of Ellasar, Chedorlaomer king of Elam, and Tidal king of nations;
Gen 14:2 That these made war with Bera king of Sodom, and with Birsha king of Gomorrah, Shinab king of Admah, and Shemeber king of Zeboiim, and the king of Bela, which is Zoar.
Gen 14:9 With Chedorlaomer the king of Elam, and with Tidal king of nations, and Amraphel king of Shinar, and Arioch king of Ellasar; four kings with five.

I believe its obvious from the chapter that the king of sodom and his friends were up against stronger kings.
Genesis 14:4 Twelve years they served Chedorlaomer, and in the thirteenth year they rebelled.

Genesis 14:14 And when Abram heard that his brother was taken captive, he armed his trained servants, born in his own house, three hundred and eighteen, and pursued them unto Dan.
Gen 14:15 And he divided himself against them, he and his servants, by night, and smote them, and pursued them unto Hobah, which is on the left hand of Damascus.
Gen 14:16 And he brought back all the goods, and also brought again his brother Lot, and his goods, and the women also, and the people.
Abram went and defeated those opposition kings that toook Lot.He smote them.He took their spoils.That's what happens in any battle.It was of this spoils/income/proceeds that he paid tithes.He didn't take a tenth of sodom's stuff.
Gen 14:23 That I will not take from a thread even to to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:


.Simply funny stuff.What is a vow?

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@junijustin and co

see,you may continue to get it wrong if you don't pay attention.Look at what brought the passage that you discussed.Its a little different from your view
Act 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
Salvation is not about this almost inconsequential things.Circumcision is nothing.I could very well say tithe is no big deal.Jesus mentioned some weightier things in Matthew 23v23.We're not saying that tithing is a pre-requisite to being saved.Those Jews said circumcision was necessary for salvation.Its emboldened above.I'm not here to force anyone to pay tithes or any form of offering.Have not seen any tither on this thread forcing others to join him.Its not by force.Its only the anti tithers that have been so grieved and bent on stopping people from paying tithes.To me,tithing is a minority.I only try to 'shed more light' on questions regarding tithes from the Bible.I thank God that to some extent,its been irrefutable.Anti-tithers keep skipping to other lame excuses and picking my words.So please be reminded again,tithing is not saving you or anyone.I'm saved before I pay tithes,not after.And remember,tithing was before the law and therefore cannot be limited to the law.Please don't forget that again again again.