pseudonomer:


No one is talking about taking procurement online. Computer science and mathematics has so many applications which is necessary for national development. A simple calculator is a work of computer scientist, the software that reminds you of your appointments with a client is part of computer science. The Mobile Phone or PC you are using is a product of computer science. So it is so obvious the computer science is more useful in Nation building that procurement.

judicious procurement process is what a nation like nigeria need to survive its present doom not computer science. what do you say about the contracts awarded to unqualified contactors which would have been prevent if a due public procurement process had been followed? what do you say of our companies that have lost out in the copetitive race but now rely on procurement function as their cherub of clemency?

Fynestboi:




Audience let have you questions.....

If there is no question from the judges or audience, then debaters can go on with the puncturing.... Till 9:40pm...

what as computer science been doing to the uncompleted and abandoned projects we have today in our country? what solution has computer science been able to proffer? procurement and supply chain management deals with bottom line. it is not self centered like computer that gives timeliness but takes busyness. PSCM advocates win-win, computer science propagate win-lose

pseudonomer:


No one is talking about taking procurement online. Computer science and mathematics has so many applications which is necessary for national development. A simple calculator is a work of computer scientist, the software that reminds you of your appointments with a client is part of computer science. The Mobile Phone or PC you are using is a product of computer science. So it is so obvious the computer science is more useful in Nation building that procurement.

darrytoz:

just imagine that two states out of 36 states. Are we progressing at all in the agricultural sector?

Citing of the two states is just to mention but a few. We have states like plateau state that produce sweet potato, Irish potato and vegetables among others in large quantity. Also we have States in the east that produce palm kennels and rubber in large quantity, western states we have yam, plantain to mention but a few. In recent times, mushroom farming has been introduced to Nigerian farmers and the importation of hybrid plantain and banana suckers from Cameroon which is yield a large profit to farmers.

@ Darrytoz,

Don't you think this statement is ambiguous?

In view, plant physiologists have not been contributing to nation building for the following reasons

sammyscholar:
human being and computer are two things that should be studied seperately so as not to lose the potency of humanity. Nigeria has a country has also not been lagging behind when we talk about computer application and it science. you will agree with me that one of the most repute computer guru in america today is a Nigerian. and besides, in public budget, what decides the sucess or otherwise is the judiciousness of the procurement and contract awarding process. procurement and supply chain management has helped our government mmensively in tackling menace of curruption in its fabrics, a feet computer is yet to achieve. even if computer is going to, it would still be manipulated by people.

We are taking of Computer Science a course of study in building the nation, how do you separate humans from the applications that human built, it is saying separating procurement and Supply from the people who actually do the work. We need more people to study computer science if we are ever going to see any significant growth. You said "Nigeria has a country has also not been lagging behind when we talk about computer application and it science. you will agree with me that one of the most repute computer guru in america today is a Nigerian" yourself, meaning we are lacking behind economically because we are also lacking behind in Technology. Nigeria as a developing country, if we need to develop like US, UK, Australia, Japan, Canada, South-Africa and the rest of the developed Country we need to take a look at importing our IT. Even Former President Goodluck Ebele Jonathan said we need to shift out attention from Oil & Gas to Technology if we ever want to become great.

Darrytoz endeavour to answer the above question from the judge....

sammyscholar:
judicious procurement process is what a nation like nigeria need to survive its present doom not computer science. what do you say about the contracts awarded to unqualified contactors which would have been prevent if a due public procurement process had been followed? what do you say of our companies that have lost out in the copetitive race but now rely on procurement function as their cherub of clemency?

This cannot significantly contribute to the National Development like Nigeria having a company like Google Inc., Apple Inc, and Microsoft. Do you know how much America generates from Tax alone from these companies. The National Security Agency (NSA) which is an intelligence organization of the United States government, responsible for global monitoring, collection, and processing of information and data for foreign intelligence and counterintelligence purposes – a discipline known as Signals intelligence (SIGINT). The NSA alone makes world trembles on hearing the name of U.S

Tgirl4real:
@ Darrytoz,
Don't you think this statement is ambiguous?

I used in context to the title of the topic. Which as to do with my own point of view. The way i feel they have not been able to contribute to the building of the nation.

Has anyone, with his discipline reveals how we can overhaul 'the moles' backsliding in the country?

sammyscholar:
what as computer science been doing to the uncompleted and abandoned projects we have today in our country? what solution has computer science been able to proffer? procurement and supply chain management deals with bottom line. it is not self centered like computer that gives timeliness but takes busyness. PSCM advocates win-win, computer science propagate win-lose

There are still so many abandon projects in Nigeria. If we can create a unique database that I guess the Federal Government is working on, it will be so easy to keep tracks of so many things and many people which will improve this country greatly. If we have the record of all working class and retired, students and so on... It will be so easy to allocate funds and looting will be checked. The issue of ghost workers will be a forgotten story. My brother, technology is the way forward in the 21st century.

pseudonomer:


We are taking of Computer Science a course of study in building the nation, how do you separate humans from the applications that human built, it is saying separating procurement and Supply from the people who actually do the work. We need more people to study computer science if we are ever going to see any significant growth. You said "Nigeria has a country has also not been lagging behind when we talk about computer application and it science. you will agree with me that one of the most repute computer guru in america today is a Nigerian" yourself, meaning we are lacking behind economically because we are also lacking behind in Technology. Nigeria as a developing country, if we need to develop like US, UK, Australia, Japan, Canada, South-Africa and the rest of the developed Country we need to take a look at importing our IT. Even Former President Goodluck Ebele Jonathan said we need to shift out attention from Oil & Gas to Technology if we ever want to become great.

one of the issues that have become identified with computer scientist is non-challant attitude. can we talk about nation building without talking about people? why are we building a nation? to whom are we building nation? animals or human being? like a yoruba adage says, "the child that is not trained is one that sells parents property when he becomes adult" computer science is good but it is not important to a nation building where there is no good intrastructure; where budgets are not having apparent effect on the populace; where pucblic fund is syphoned by government officials thrugh undocumented, unjudicious and falsifiedprojects. what have computer scientists done in these areas?

Darey4u2010:
Has anyone, with his discipline reveals how we can overhaul 'the moles' backsliding in the country?

Yes with Computer Science, by creating a unique database that will include all Nigerian records(Crime, education, background, marriage, properties and son) like the database U.S use that is linked with the SSN(Social Security Number). It will be so easy to keep tracks of so many things and many people, it will be so easy to allocate funds and looting will be checked. The issue of ghost workers will be a forgotten story.

pseudonomer:


There are still so many abandon projects in Nigeria. If we can create a unique database that I guess the Federal Government is working on, it will be so easy to keep tracks of so many things and many people which will improve this country greatly. If we have the record of all working class and retired, students and so on... It will be so easy to allocate funds and looting will be checked. The issue of ghost workers will be a forgotten story. My brother, technology is the way forward in the 21st century.

if we can? how? are you leaving us to wonder about this? give us practical solution. can computer scientist do vendor/contactor ratings? how do you measure the worthiness of contractors? do not forget that all these need the involvement of repute procurers. i can go on and on to mention national issues that we (the prcurers) have workable solutions to. building nation, business, and people is what we can do best. we do not take peoples job like computer scientists do. we make sure all parties win.

sammyscholar:
one of the issues that have become identified with computer scientist is non-challant attitude. can we talk about nation building without talking about people? why are we building a nation? to whom are we building nation? animals or human being? like a yoruba adage says, "the child that is not trained is one that sells parents property when he becomes adult" computer science is good but it is not important to a nation building where there is no good intrastructure; where budgets are not having apparent effect on the populace; where pucblic fund is syphoned by government officials thrugh undocumented, unjudicious and falsifiedprojects. what have computer scientists done in these areas?

What do you mean by nonchalant attitude? Nigeria is a country that is just beginning to take the full advantage of IT and we are still far behind but with more young people going to school to study computer science, we will get there soon. In the military regime, the foreign investors that supposed to bring IT to Nigeria refused to because there's no democracy, the market will be unfavourable for them that's why we still lack behind. Look at what America has done with technology, how they use it to improve their economy and well-being of their citizens, Don't you like that?

@plant physiologist, do you think youths can easily go into agricultural without salary from d govt even for short period of time before d farm would begin to yield. How are they going to fend for themself

Darey4u2010:
Has anyone, with his discipline reveals how we can overhaul 'the moles' backsliding in the country?

the major mole eating ruthlessly into the fabrics of our nation is corruption. and this is mostly perpetrated through public procurements and contract award. the procurements proffessionals, have in 2007, enacted a law that all public procurement and contract award should abide by. this i belived would erradicate the endemic soonest. see link below:

theleaderassumpta.com/2014/02/15/an-overview-of-the-nigerian-public-procurement-act/

Cool83:
@plant physiologist, do you think youths can easily go into agricultural without salary from d govt even for short period of time before d farm would begin to yield. How are they going to fend for themself

The government has made provisions of agricultural loans to farmers and intending farmers. They have also made available subsidised farm implemented and hybrid seeds at cheaper rate. There is also the cooperatives who are willing to grant loans to farmers. Agriculture is something that an individual can venture into with little capital and it develops in no time into a large scale enterprise.

it is past 10pm already already. more than 3 hours. can we now comment?

meforyou1:
it is past 10pm already already. more than 3 hours. can we now comment?

Yes sir...

Audience can engage the participant.... We are done with all waiting for the results from the judges......

@computer, dont u think that d high cost of professional exam in IT sector would lead to dearth of competent professional..how can we reduce d cost?

@ mr procurement. U urself u knw without dis comp science u cant work efficiently. U need to make calls to d people u wan to procure goods nd service for, u can do dat in a mins instead of u travellin or movin frm one place to anoda. Also u need to see d goods nd services u wan procure for sm1, y dont u use ur leg to walk there instead of u using a vehicle. @ mr administration ur work has been politicised in 9ja. I bet it dat if tinubu tel u to do smtin against d ethic of ur wrk. U will. Administration wrk has been baseless in 9ja.

@ procurement. I need u to get me a particular goods nd services dat has a quality trade mark which u knw ntin abt. B4 anythin u'll av to search nd make findings abt d good nd services via online or put call to ther procurement officers. Tell me if u're in dat position wat wud u do.

suco01:
@ mr procurement. U urself u knw without dis comp science u cant work efficiently. U need to make calls to d people u wan to procure goods nd service for, u can do dat in a mins instead of u travellin or movin frm one place to anoda. Also u need to see d goods nd services u wan procure for sm1, y dont u use ur leg to walk there instead of u using a vehicle. @ mr administration ur work has been politicised in 9ja. I bet it dat if tinubu tel u to do smtin against d ethic of ur wrk. U will. Administration wrk has been baseless in 9ja.

how come up with the conclusion that administrative work in Nigeria is baseless. As we all no, no government can function without administrators because we are the machinery upon which the functions of the government are being carried out.

sammyscholar, appreciate your debate. i want to ask you, is procurement division really necessary for for departments of government? as you stated, they are loopholes for siphoning government funds into private pockets there. is it not better to outsource the function? example - ministry employment is established, they have a building with a procurement department that is in charge of maintaining the building and their other buildings. and in charge of procurement, from everything for tissue paper to repair of toilet seat, generators and even maintenance of lifts, and be paying people for simple things like pressing floor number and gratuity for such things. rather than employing such a huge task force for them, why not just outsource it to a management company and assign only one or two staff to manage the procurement needs of the company and liaise with the outsourced company.

@sammy,procurement section in d civil service are d most corrupt, they add to d problem of Nigeria. They purchase substandard goods at exorbitant price in order to enrich themselve, i wonder what would happen to d live of patient when u procure fake nd substandard hospital equipments

Thumbs up to everyone that participated. You all did brilliantly well.

@pseudonomer, your writeup was all about computer science. what about Mathematics? mathematics was all about why computer was invented. computers were actually invented and developed to solved complex mathematical equations. as for those alleging that it will make human beings lose jobs, on the contrary, it creates more. if not, why are there more jobs in advanced countries that are more computerised than less developed or underdeveloped countries like Nigeria that are less developed?

@administrator, do u believe that deligation of duty is a good method of administration

As a marketing manager and a brother to a procuring manager I will say procuring manager is very essential to get a standard goods from the market. A procuring manager source for the right good from the right source, at the right time. The 5RS serves as the dynamism of a procuring department which no other dept can does it better than they do.

meforyou1:
sammyscholar, appreciate your debate. i want to ask you, is procurement division really necessary for for departments of government? as you stated, they are loopholes for siphoning government funds into private pockets there. is it not better to outsource the function? example - ministry employment is established, they have a building with a procurement department that is in charge of maintaining the building and their other buildings. and in charge of procurement, from everything for tissue paper to repair of toilet seat, generators and even maintenance of lifts, and be paying people for simple things like pressing floor number and gratuity for such things. rather than employing such a huge task force for them, why not just outsource it to a management company and assign only one or two staff to manage the procurement needs of the company and liaise with the outsourced company.

instead of out sourcing, goverment should rather establish a procurement commision (filled with repute proffesional procurers) who will take charge of the purchasing function of all goverment parastatals and ministries. we need to understand that public procurement function in this country is handle by people who just take accidental charge of the function. they are not proffesionals. they do not have negotiating skill, their vendor/contactor appraisal and rating skill is sinqua none. until we (proffesional procurers) take the rightful position, i am afraid to say that we will continue to live with this ugly situation.