kaboninc:


Our lives and bodies are owned by God. So what do we own?

Again, we say our lives are a gift from God. Meaning God gave us life as a gift. So if God gifted us a life, saying he owes us is like we're a debt onto Him.

BreezyRita:
Kaboninc, are you an atheist?? Are you here to contest our beliefs??
Please , I need to know this first.

HFOG:

Here we go...
I can do anything I want to if Christ has not said no, but some of these things aren't good for me. Even if I'm allowed to do them, I'll refuse to if I think they might get such a grip on me that I can't easily stop when I want to. For instance, take the matter of eating. God has given us an appetite for food and stomachs to digest it. But that doesn't mean we should eat more than we need. Don't think of eating as important, because some day God will do away with both stomachs and eating.

You are certainly free to eat food offered to idols if you want to; it's not against God's laws to eat such meat, but that doesn't mean you should go ahead and do it. It maybe perfectly legal, but it may not be best and helpful. Don't think only of yourself. Try to think of the other fellow, too, and what is best for him.

But how can you know what God says when you don't spend sufficient time reading and meditating on His Word?

kaboninc:


To answer your question, am NOT an atheists.

These questions I ask are questions faithful do ponder about themselves.

I have lots and doubts BUT it doesn't make me an atheists. So dear, am not here to contest your beliefs but seek answers or insights. If you have any, I would love to read it.

Good morning!

Cc: HFOG

elantraceey:


Tithe isn't part of the law , Abraham paid tithes and that was way before the law came. You can check genesis14:18-20.

4rmGuest2Member:


Sir, I'll drop 3 verses for you.

1. 1 Tim 1:4 "neither pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which cause disputes, rather than God’s stewardship, which is in faith"
2. 2 Tim 2:16 "But shun empty chatter, for it will increase unto more ungodliness,"
3. Titus 3:9 "But avoid foolish questionings, genealogies, strife, and disputes about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain."

I don't know whether you're a christian but I just took out those verses from the Holy Bible. That Book is so complete! I am a very curious individual too, having questions that no one can give me an answer to and I'll get satisfied with the answer. We're humans, and it's good to question somethings.

But I realised that the devil backs me up in my questioning. How? At some point, I'll just want to cease staying in my faith. Meaning I'll just want to become an atheist or an agnostic but those verses set me free. Asking so many questions would lead to more ungodliness, would lead to arguements, and strives as the bible says.

So, my own is just to believe what I have in my Bible ALONE. And the main thing is to come to the knowledge of the truth that Jesus Chirst is the only way to eternal life. Any other thing is trivial.

A gospel musician, Lecrae said “If I’m wrong about God then I wasted my life. If you’re wrong about God then you wasted your eternity.” Wow! That's just one mad summary. It made me realise there's nothing to lose believing in Jesus. And if Jesus is not real, then I've wasted my life serving Him on earth, but if He is and I don't serve Him, I've wasted my life now on earth and in eternity. That's something to cogitate deeply on.

God Bless

4rmGuest2Member:


Sir, I'll drop 3 verses for you.

1. 1 Tim 1:4 "neither pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which cause disputes, rather than God’s stewardship, which is in faith"
2. 2 Tim 2:16 "But shun empty chatter, for it will increase unto more ungodliness,"
3. Titus 3:9 "But avoid foolish questionings, genealogies, strife, and disputes about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain."

I don't know whether you're a christian but I just took out those verses from the Holy Bible. That Book is so complete! I am a very curious individual too, having questions that no one can give me an answer to and I'll get satisfied with the answer. We're humans, and it's good to question somethings.

But I realised that the devil backs me up in my questioning. How? At some point, I'll just want to cease staying in my faith. Meaning I'll just want to become an atheist or an agnostic but those verses set me free. Asking so many questions would lead to more ungodliness, would lead to arguements, and strives as the bible says.

So, my own is just to believe what I have in my Bible ALONE. And the main thing is to come to the knowledge of the truth that Jesus Chirst is the only way to eternal life. Any other thing is trivial.

A gospel musician, Lecrae said “If I’m wrong about God then I wasted my life. If you’re wrong about God then you wasted your eternity.” Wow! That's just one mad summary. It made me realise there's nothing to lose believing in Jesus. And if Jesus is not real, then I've wasted my life serving Him on earth, but if He is and I don't serve Him, I've wasted my life now on earth and in eternity. That's something to cogitate deeply on.

God Bless

Alezy:
well I do t think they (Christians) re selective in that aspect.
We are all humans. think of it, would u rather pick on a cause of negative scripture that does not really av a positive meaning to ur life at that moment than pick a positive scripture that will help u positively in all ramifications? ? that should answer ur question.

elantraceey:


Tithe isn't part of the law , Abraham paid tithes and that was way before the law came. You can check genesis14:18-20.

starlingslimnet:
Hi guys

Alezy:
I love this. ..looked for those scriptures n didn't fine dem. tanks alot

kaboninc:


Maybe you should throw more light on "negative" and "positive" scriptures.

dearpreye:
OP, do something about the title of the thread, if you can. I almost avoided it due to its caption.

Good works here. For now, I'm just on the sidelines.

I advise you keep off contentious issues FOR NOW!

Alezy:
well lemme just let u kw this. sure Abraham actually paid tithe but that was tithing under grace and not tithing under any law. And yes its ok to pay tithe but my problem with the church is they make it look really big as a law.

my point is tithing can be done under any circumstances, u must not walk tru the door of the church before it's said that u have paid ur tithe. A well known church I once attended, I really don't want to make mention now. I noticed the pastor saying it in quote "as long as it's not here, it not a tithe" and I have noticed it been taken same way in 99 percent of churches in Nigeria.

kaboninc:


There are some questions that are really unprofitable. There are some questions that are fo.olish.

However, some questions are not. These questions help to strengthen your faith in whatever you believe in. Don't you think asking us not to ask these questions is unfair and could be a way to "hide" things from us?

We refer to the Bible as a perfect dynamic book. Both close reading of it would reveal some contradictions - I know most people will hold me here - but even real Christians (even some pastors) cannot deny it.

Have you observed that those who just decide to be Christians in their heart, do so not because of any compelling or fear - as we see these days, or dwelling on such verse that says we shouldn't ask some pertinent questions?

It is like saying I should have faith. If I have faith and exercise patience, and things are just not working, don't you think I'll begin to question my faith? Or maybe something has not happened to you that really shook your faith.

I could also ask you questions that could shake your beliefs especially when you use the Bible as your yard stick. But I won't. I've seen things. Am very observant.

starlingslimnet:
Hi guys

4rmGuest2Member:


My brother, I'm intransigent, I'm obdurate, I'm obstinate concerning my beliefs! There's NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING that you would ask or say that would shake my faith. Hehe. I've read things too, I've seen things too, and I've given up on such things because of those verses I shared initially.

But, why would you want my faith to be shaken though? Is that your motive/goal here? Let me tell you Sir, you'll fail with me. You say things shook your faith? Hmm. What are those things? What are those beliefs? You mentioned patience, have you lived as old as Abraham to know what patience is? Lol.

All I can tell you is if you're in the WRONG CHURCH, you should find another now. Because not all churches are doing the work of the Kingdom genuinely. And if it's you doing things wrongly, then you need to search for those having things working from them and learn from them. So, it's left to you.

kaboninc:


This is not a contest or war! Maybe you didn't ask some questions like I've asked here.

I'll let it slide and end with "OK"

Alezy:
well lemme just let u kw this. sure Abraham actually paid tithe but that was tithing under grace and not tithing under any law. And yes its ok to pay tithe but my problem with the church is they make it look really big as a law.

my point is tithing can be done under any circumstances, u must not walk tru the door of the church before it's said that u have paid ur tithe. A well known church I once attended, I really don't want to make mention now. I noticed the pastor saying it in quote "as long as it's not here, it not a tithe" and I have noticed it been taken same way in 99 percent of churches in Nigeria.

4rmGuest2Member:


War? Not at all. After all, I called you brother.

I saw a thread on a guy who claims he was once a christian, and he became a satanist because of the questions he was asking and he didn't get answers to. Now he thinks he has found his answers in satanism. Well, you just have to take a chill on questions, because you may cross the line.

I hope you remain in the race. I trust that things would work soon if you keep believing and walking with God a day at a time.

God bless us.

4rmGuest2Member:

Hi. You're welcome.

4rmGuest2Member:


Lol, you sound like you're preaching to me or trying to convince me. All you've done is to actually make what all I said lucid by expatiating on it with those examples.

Thanks for that

4rmGuest2Member:
On tithing, this is my story.

I didn't used to pay tithes before, not because I don't have but I didn't have a solid understanding on it. I would pay this month and the next time would be 3 months after. Not until I saw Malachi 8 - 12 for myself.

I wouldn't post those verses here but meditating on them set me free (and they would set you free if you meditate on them too). Forget that it's in the old testament, it's still God's word. Then coupled with John 3:27, 1 Cor 4:7 and some christian literature, I got my own revelation on giving generally (tithing, offering, others).

See, your pastor eats the tithe money shouldn't be your business. God only sees your heart and blesses you for what He sees in it. Now, if in your heart, you think your pastor would eat it when you're giving it, you'll lose its blessings because you didn't give cheerfully but grudgingly. Those pastors that hammer on paying tithe, some they do it for personal gains (with spiritual implications), some they do it because they know it's for your good.

Since I started paying my tithe consistently, I've not fallen sick. I've not lost any money. I've not tasted drugs (because He said I'll rebuke the devourer for my sake). I've been blessed all-round. And funny enough, this tithe was like #200 at some point. It became #1000. I know it'll get to millions because when God says He'll bless you for something, He means it. He even exalted His Word more than Himself. Ah :O

Mehn, the ball is in your court oo. When things are not working, don't blame God if you haven't done your part. He would not do His part either.

Alezy:
BreezyRita don't get me wrong dear, I don't joke with my title. who am I not to pay when I know the blessings that come with it.
There re parts that really do not count anymore if u look at it as tithing in grace. For instance, it says we rub God when we don't pay our title and I think there re some list of negative things to happen when we don't comply with paying our tithe. my point is, these don't count anymore as we are in the era of grace. right now no cause of what so ever comes upon u when u don't pay your tithe.
I stick to paying my tithe cos Abraham n even Paul paid in grace and also the blessings that comes with it works. alot of ppl don't understand that it should not be done as a law anymore.