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Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by FincoApps(m): 8:39pm On Aug 05, 2015 |
Nipeks: Yes I agree with you...personally, I used to think it depends on only CSS and frontend, nut then we learn everyday don't we ? |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by FincoApps(m): 8:40pm On Aug 05, 2015 |
directonpc: hahahaha, I respect Facebook more when it comes to web technologies. They used it all!!! |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by FincoApps(m): 8:41pm On Aug 05, 2015 |
stynhaq: Exactly |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by webcalculator(m): 9:34pm On Aug 05, 2015 |
FincoApps: Facebook is a large site. They can't do anything responsive on that site. Their only option is mobile site. The fact that they use it, doesn't mean that RWD is bad practice. All I can understand is that you just started this web stuff of recent, with experience, you will come to know when one is the best and who or what to respect |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by Nobody: 9:38pm On Aug 05, 2015 |
directonpc: Bro you are an ignorant chap. For one, you are not a web designer or maybe you are a client who has been burnt by crappy web designer who promised you responsive design and gave you worthless dump. Facebook, youtube and google use responsive design, but they build an app for their sites. Do you want small medium business to start building these mobile site apps as complex as those? do you know how much it takes? And you don't know images, text and others can be resized, readjusted, realigned to fit other media devices including the chinco phones you referring to. Ignorance is a disease 2 Likes |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by Godwin10(m): 9:45pm On Aug 05, 2015 |
Interesting Thread... One thing though, keep it simple. 1 Like |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by LordAdam: 10:57pm On Aug 05, 2015 |
directonpc: Before you bash a technology, it is important to understand the problem the technology was developed to fix. Now, before responsive design became a common term in the Web Development field, screen sizes of gadgets used to access the net were either PC size or mobile phones with definite form factors. Then came iOS and Android, accompanying the rise of touch screen mobile devices. From then on, devices were manufactured having every measurable screen size imaginable. Today, there are mobile devices with screen size of between 3" and 12". Call them phones, pallets, tablets. Then there are hybrids (tablets that become PCs when a keyboard dock is attached). At about the beginning of the varied size expansion, having two versions of a website reigned supreme. But as the variation increased so was the immense work required to design sites versions that kept up with the different screen sizes. That was when the brilliant idea of one site design for all devices was birthed. It was a brilliant idea at the time, it still is. History class is over. Now let's discuss your point. All new technologies have their caveats, and with responsive design, it is a reality. However, here is the fact you should understand. A truly responsive design should mean less data for lower-sized devices. For a well-optimized responsive site, it's appearance on a 15.6" laptop, a 9" iPad, and a 5" Galaxy S6 should be different. The s6 version should not load high-res end-to-end images used on the PC version. Because, that's the whole point of responsive design, the site responds to the screen size and a better-looking version of the site is loaded. 2. Less low-end device/browsers support. A responsive site might look good on high-end mobile devices and browsers but it is the opposite on opera mini and stock browser of older devices. I'll give it to you, responsive websites don't look too great on low-end devices/browsers. However, there are literally a ton of responsive websites that look great on opera mini (it's all about optimization and pedantic coding). Occasionally, a few page elements may be out of place or appear awkwardly. Still, it's a small price to pay for the benefits of not having to code separate sites for high end devices simply because they have different screen sizes. And here's the last one, data is super-expensive in the country. It isn't elsewhere. Emphasis is on fast-loading of sites not necessarily how data-intensive the site is. I understand both are related, but you have to figure that designers design sites for people across the board, with the average person being someone with a decent device on a decent Internet connection. After this, there are other accessibility issues that are catered to. Like those using legacy (low-end) devices, blind users (ensuring that the site can be read out by a screen reader)... For many businesses on a budget, there's a limit to how much of this support they can afford. Thus, having a responsive layout for different screen sizes makes sense. And then later on in the project or sometime later, a mobile specific version that's very lightweight is designed to capture customers/audience that do not use high-end devices or use crappy network or have low data usage limits. 3 . Facebook, YouTube and google are not doing it so you should know that it is crappy. That is all and nobody can counter these points Are you freaking serious? They all are doing it. With a catch, they also have mobile-specific versions. Along with media sites like CNN, BBC. You know why? Because they have millions of users and do not want to alienate any user. You're using multi-billion dollar businesses whose main source of revenue are through their websites, and have tens of thousands of workers (a huge percentage are Web developers, Web designers, UX developers, UI designers as well as several sub-niche specialists) with each getting 5 to 6 figure dollar salaries; as examples. And comparing them to a one-man design team. With several millions of users who use Java phones in regions that do not have a 3G network, Facebook, Google, YouTube know they have to support these users by developing specific mobile design sites that are featherweight. Google's mobile version of it's search page is less than 100kb, who do you think it was designed for? Now on that mobile version there is no use of Ajax, but on their responsive site version, Ajax is supported. And why not? It's a numbers game. Facebook and Google rely on increasing number of users to convince advertisers to spend billions of dollars annually through Facebook Ads and Google Adwords. Finally, I noticed where you rebuffed someone who said Google now favors responsive websites. The real deal is that responsive websites and sites with mobile versions are both taken as "mobile-friendly" by Google and given the necessary push in the SERPs. So, the Google algorithm wasn't a firm rebuttal of your points. However, you did make an inaccurate statement that a site cannot rank ahead of Facebook. Geez, several company sites rank above their Facebook page. SEO is a whole different ball-game where the rules are about who has the most relevant links pointing back to their site, as well as a host of different factors. But inbound links are the most important. Facebook has billions of links pointing back at them, that's what's keeping them on top not the mobile-specific version or that you think they do not have a responsive site which they obviously have. There's no hard and fast rule in Web designing. Whatever rocks your boat while using technologies that will stand the test of time and that fit the billing of what the site has to offer. An information-based website catering to farmers in Nigeria should have a mobile-specific version, no question asked. Don't try convincing a service website catering to trendy young workers in the heart of Seoul, South Korea (where network speeds are insane and no one is screaming "you one finish my data?" that responsive design is crap. PS: I usually do not comment on NL, unless I'm adding something new to the discussion. Read the first and third pages and was disappointed that there were no firm rebuttals to the OP. I was like the OP can't go on SitePoint and start a thread like this with the exact same reasons posted and not receive a backlash from the community over there. @OP, this is 2015 not 2008. Responsive design is here to stay. If you are a designer, then clearly you need to know more about your industry and present arguments with really good facts that people can't shake a stick at. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by directonpc(m): 1:01am On Aug 06, 2015 |
babaearly:You can make your point without insulting me sha. |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by directonpc(m): 1:03am On Aug 06, 2015 |
LordAdam:Very long text... Can you make your point responsive? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by directonpc(m): 1:08am On Aug 06, 2015 |
Xtracoool:Professionals like you? Designing a few Web pages for people doesn't make u a professional my guy... If you want to get insulting. A web developer will know that responsive design isn't it... But some copy and paste web designer won't know this. |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by directonpc(m): 1:16am On Aug 06, 2015 |
Another big success from the tech field that isn't using responsive design to render it's mobile version is stackoverflow.com, these guys are serious about the success of their product and not looking for an easy fix to problems. Keep insulting me till tomorrow I will still research and develop my way. 1 Like |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by directonpc(m): 1:29am On Aug 06, 2015 |
Nipeks: Nice site u have got there. And using mobile detect scripts to decide content to offer isn't responsive design... True responsiveness works with css media queries. For example a framework like bootstrap won't use any server side line of code to resize or decide content to display hence giving poor user experience. And about your site again I think I will signup and explore more (if you welcome suggestions I can recommend something small for your mobile version) 1 Like |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by Nipeks(m): 1:42am On Aug 06, 2015 |
directonpc: Funny, I was just checking out your site too. What can you recommend? |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by directonpc(m): 1:48am On Aug 06, 2015 |
Nipeks:Like 1. 2. 3. But I feel like these stuffs should be discussed privately... For health of your site and intellectual asset I can afford to share my bbm pin on a public forum here: 756BDE43 |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by Nipeks(m): 1:56am On Aug 06, 2015 |
directonpc: I'm not on BBM. I only do Whatsapp & FB chat. Is my website at a security risk? |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by directonpc(m): 2:15am On Aug 06, 2015 |
Nipeks:Lol. I didn't say that. Do you have viewport enabled on the site? |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by Nipeks(m): 2:28am On Aug 06, 2015 |
directonpc: I had it enabled when Google webmaster web app advised me to use it but later put it inside a comment since I couldn't detect any difference. Besides, it seems to be causing rendering problems on some touch devices. I don't care much about it's SEO requirement, it has little overall effect. |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by Nobody: 3:47am On Aug 06, 2015 |
directonpc: Its a fact not an insult, in btw you have been so rude putting your points out. |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by FincoApps(m): 4:46am On Aug 06, 2015 |
webcalculator: lol, something I noticed about some Nairalanders is that they always try to bring experience into a simple argument instead of laying down their points. Note: People I know as professionals personally never do this. |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by directonpc(m): 6:40am On Aug 06, 2015 |
babaearly:OK mr sabi |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by webcalculator(m): 8:23am On Aug 06, 2015 |
FincoApps:No need to argue with you. Always do whatever you like; all I know is that one day you'll stop bashing a technology. I stated my points and for your info, experience is the master key |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by Nobody: 8:47am On Aug 06, 2015 |
directonpc: Yes fool |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by directonpc(m): 8:54am On Aug 06, 2015 |
babaearly:Hmmm? Why are you so pained? 1 Like |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by directonpc(m): 8:59am On Aug 06, 2015 |
Nipeks:JUST Checked your site on pc... You have a vision that will surely work keep it up 1 Like |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by yusufu16: 9:14am On Aug 06, 2015 |
directonpc: LIES LIES LIES. type facebook.com or google.com in your mobile browser and see if it is not responsive. Responsiveness is the future of Web design. Don't deceive yourself. |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by directonpc(m): 9:57am On Aug 06, 2015 |
yusufu16:Hmmm |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by Xtracoool(m): 10:11am On Aug 06, 2015 |
directonpc: You obviously didn't read my post. Have a great day. |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by Nipeks(m): 1:15pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
directonpc: Thanks. This mean a lot to me. |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by directonpc(m): 3:05pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
Nipeks:You are welcome |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by Nmeri17: 1:33am On Aug 07, 2015 |
*yawns** this una thread sef. some have defiantly chosen to remain ignorant despite being faced with the stark reality that they know absolutely nothing and are even asking no one to counter them. as per say na u follow write the specifications at w3.org abi?? *hisses like a serpent and unfollows thread** modifaide *comes back to make sure thread was successfully unfollowed** PS: those guys trying to convince them to go responsive, una too get time! 1 Like |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by yusufu16: 2:08pm On Aug 07, 2015 |
directonpc: Even google use mobile responsiveness to rank websites. OP please research well before posting |
Re: Why Responsive Design Sucks And Reduces The Mobile Friendliness Of Your Site. by directonpc(m): 2:46pm On Aug 07, 2015 |
yusufu16:OKK! but the same google will appreciate a dedicated site a give it good Rank. You wont understand what am saying too sha cause u researched too much 1 Like 1 Share |
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