Gift for the weekend: This "expo" is a building plan we are building in plain view in one of my building sites, you can copy and build if you dont have money to pay an architect

Just joking, happy weekend everyone.

spyder880:
Gift for the weekend: This "expo" is a building plan we are building in plain view in one of my building sites, you can copy and build if you dont have money to pay an architect

Just joking, happy weekend everyone.

You took this picture from aircraft?

spyder880:
Gift for the weekend: This "expo" is a building plan we are building in plain view in one of my building sites, you can copy and build if you dont have money to pay an architect
Just joking, happy weekend everyone.

Oga Spyder, I can see that the drone I sent you is working well.

Hajji M.

mufutau55:

Oga Spyder, I can see that the drone I sent you is working well.
Hajji M.

drone kwa, the pics was taken from the last floor of 4 or 5 storey building.

spyder is still mastering the act of drone using. hahaha

spyder880:
Gift for the weekend: This "expo" is a building plan we are building in plain view in one of my building sites, you can copy and build if you dont have money to pay an architect

Just joking, happy weekend everyone.

Nna I dey suspect you ooh, chey U dey get wings, how U take attain that height with your Iphone 20

spyder880:
Gift for the weekend: This "expo" is a building plan we are building in plain view in one of my building sites, you can copy and build if you dont have money to pay an architect

Just joking, happy weekend everyone.

funny thing is, its looks identical to mine up to %85

back2sender:
Please my people need your help here.
How much is 0.45 gauge aluminium. Is it per square metre its sold. Attached is the quotation and a picture of the house

Pls how many bedroom is your house. I did my woodwork last week, about to go there for aluminum measurement. congrats.

Church collapse in Uyo, Akwa Ibom State!

This is a link to the thread:

https://www.nairaland.com/3512461/video-collapsed-reigners-bible-church

[b]Watching the video was so sad. Its been aired on CNN sef~

The other time it was T. B Joshua's church.

We also recall the Lekki Gardens building collapse!

Its one, too many. How much value do we place on human lives in this country?


We need to properly investigate this building catastrophes, not use emtions and religion to cover-up things

IMO, l think if it was established that the collapse was due to any form of "Human Negligence and Incompetence", the Builder, Building Engineer and the Pastor needs to be jailed

My advice to "Builders" in the house (or anyone for that matter, engaged in building for reward" is that, not withstanding how good you think you are, you should, like the likes of Abdulwastecx, get a FORMAL Building Qualification and add a certification/membership of the Nigerian Guild of Builders to it because while we cant completely eliminate accidents, not having a formal qualification (and recognition by the supervising Body) in an "occupation" you undertake, exposes you to grave sanctions/conviction/penalties, if you are the builder of a collapsed building............and it can happen anytime [/b]




Lastpage!

BTW: Whenever the house "finally calms down", we should have an academic discussion of WHY building collapse.
This will be of great value to all DIY's as many of us are doing "copy-copy" without understanding the underlying Engineering Dynamics of what we copy, how certain factors vary it or even render our assumptions baseless!
Some accidents dont happen immediately, some take years and are gradual.

Heard he building had no pillar and beam to support the Iron rods criss crossing the roof.

baaliyah:


Pls how many bedroom is your house. I did my woodwork last week, about to go there for aluminum measurement. congrats.

We're at the same level ...lol

spyder880:
Gift for the weekend: This "expo" is a building plan we are building in plain view in one of my building sites, you can copy and build if you dont have money to pay an architect

Just joking, happy weekend everyone.

Neat block work

Happy weekend sir..

@Egunmogaji Oga Egun, I see you
Greet us before you leave sir

erico2k2:
@KolaShangOne
@abdulwastecx
I think the reason my foundation did not give in is amongst one of this reason .
1.filled with condemned sharp sand not mud
2 No ramming as the sand settled naturally
3 6 inches solid block is more solid than 6 inches hollow block at the sides
4 fairly deep foundation
5 Even ground
6 Did not need water to settle the filling
7 No ramming
What do U recon sirs?? .

Sir, Making use of sharpsand was the right decision.. Sharps and setttles and leaves zero void spaces. Although I would have preferred 9 inches if I were to use solid blocks for foundation of a storey building.

back2sender:
Heard he building had no pillar and beam to support the Iron rods criss crossing the roof.

That's not possible.. It won't even stand if it had no columns. THEY might not be rightly sized.

@lastpage The major problem I can see from the pictures shown is the that the Boom (stretch) of the trusses is too too long (I'm thinking about 20metres or more..) without any supporting column in the middle.

Even if you are going to have a boom of 20m (which is not even advisable, then the angle of inclination to the columns should be more obtuse.

KolaShangOne:


Sir, Making use of sharpsand was the right decision.. Sharps and setttles and leaves zero void spaces. Although I would have preferred 9 inches if I were to use solid blocks for foundation of a storey building.

I thought as much, but if you come to my Endz, we all build with 6 inch solid, no hollo, Im talking of sapele and warri, we use hollo for commercial buildings and govt projects

Meanwhile I saw these some days back took photos B4 I hide inside trailer container come PH
I believe we talked about using pre cast slab previously and how we can apply it in the Nigerian context.

and

erico2k2:
Meanwhile I saw these some days back took photos B4 I hide inside trailer container come PH
I believe we talked about using pre cast slab previously and how we can apply it in the Nigerian context.

Fantastic stuff. This should cost a lot less than regular decking we do in Nigeria. It all depends on machinery to move so much of these stuff to site and crane to lift it up and set on the decking.

This makes a lot of sense than what is entail in Nigeria.

Abdulwastecx should look at this and tell us his view on something like this.

FastShipping:



Fantastic stuff. This should cost a lot less than regular decking we do in Nigeria. It all depends on machinery to move so much of these stuff to site and crane to lift it up and set on the decking.

This makes a lot of sense than what is entail in Nigeria.

Abdulwastecx should look at this and tell us his view on something like this.

Im telling you, not only save cost but time as well,
But to hire that craine nah B the koko

FastShipping:



Fantastic stuff. This should cost a lot less than regular decking we do in Nigeria. It all depends on machinery to move so much of these stuff to site and crane to lift it up and set on the decking.

This makes a lot of sense than what is entail in Nigeria.

Abdulwastecx should look at this and tell us his view on something like this.

Oga Fastshipping,

It is not that we dont have the "ideas" in Nigeria but we lack the Capacity!
"Capacity" in terms of financial power: The articulated Mixer and the projection crane costs close to a million Dollars each. Only a few people have that kind of money (close to a Billion Naira!) and the few that have it, usually dont invest it in such solid business due to "How they came about the money and ofcourse, lack of business sense". They would rather buy a 'Money-spraying machine" to impress their poor neighbours!

But one major factor that cuts across the whole economy, that is hindering our development is the "lack-of,..... or epileptic power supply".
No country can make progress, if its electricity is not stable.
All "ideas" would finally 'die or become too expensive to implement', in an environment where Power Supply is like ours in Nigeria.

You need to see how Nigerians progress, when they leave Nigeria's shores, to be convinced that we are "naturally brilliant people" (though some decide to use their brilliance in nefarious activities, which is wrong!) and all we need is just the right environment, which some foreign climes give those Nigerians.

May be we can start small, for example, if @Abdulwastecx is good in construction, he can partner with @Fastshipping who has the "Dollars" and @Lastpage can be the office Cleaner and Security gateman such that the synergy between a few people can achieve the level of resources which one single investor cannot achieve?

I just hope the stinking-rich in our society will have the gumption to put their money into productive areas that add value into society, instead of laundering it into a foreign account in Switzerland (l hear Nigeria MUST PAY the Swiss about $75Million, to retrieve Abachas $400Million, exclusive of legal fees.... and that is just one man's single loot!) or investing it in foreign economy (I hear that former Senate president David Mark owns the best and biggest Hotel in Ireland, and that is just one man's invested loot).

The level of misplaced priority in this country is mind-boggling and mind-numbing.

Hopefully, we will get there before the second coming of Cheesux.





Lastpage!

I just saw these dramatic pix of the recent church collapse........if these are true especially the metal contraption; I can't see the column support for the long span or load bearing walls. Is it just me or these don't comply to safe construction principles. Was it an accident waiting to happen from the word go? And the angle (grade) of the beams.......are the beams (span) not too "flat" ? Questions need to be asked and answered.

lastpage:



Oga Fastshipping,

It is not that we dont have the "ideas" in Nigeria but we lack the Capacity!
"Capacity" in terms of financial power: The articulated Mixer and the projection crane costs close to a million Dollars each. Only a few people have that kind of money (close to a Billion Naira!) and the few that have it, usually dont invest it in such solid business due to "How they came about the money and ofcourse, lack of business sense". They would rather buy a 'Money-spraying machine" to impress their poor neighbours!

But one major factor that cuts across the whole economy, that is hindering our development is the "lack-of,..... or epileptic power supply".
No country can make progress, if its electricity is not stable.
All "ideas" would finally 'die or become too expensive to implement', in an environment where Power Supply is like ours in Nigeria.

You need to see how Nigerians progress, when they leave Nigeria's shores, to be convinced that we are "naturally brilliant people" (though some decide to use their brilliance in nefarious activities, which is wrong!) and all we need is just the right environment, which some foreign climes give those Nigerians.

May be we can start small, foe example, if @Abdulwastecx is good in construction, he can partner with @Fastshipping who has the "Dollars" and @Lastpage can be the office Cleaner and Security gateman such that the synergy between a few people can achieve the level of resources which one single investor cannot achieve?

I just hope the stinking-rich in our society will have the gumption to put their money into productive areas that add value into society, instead of laundering it into a foreign account in Switzerland (l hear Nigeria MUST PAY the Swiss about $75Million, to retrieve Abachas $400Million, exclusive of legal fees.... and that is just one man's single loot!) or investing it in foreign economy (I hear that former Senate president David Mark owns the best and biggest Hotel in Ireland, and that is just one man's invested loot).

The level of misplaced priority in this country is mind-boggling and mind-numbing.

Hopefully, we will get there before the second coming of Cheesux.





Lastpage!

if you can't trust your own blood brother to supervise your ten million naira bungalow without stealing from you,how then can you go into a million dollar partnership with an outsider? what you raised is one of the reasons the Nigerian economy can never industrialize,it's actually more deeper rooted than you make it sound.

diordaves:
I just saw these dramatic pix of the recent church collapse........if these are true especially the metal contraption; I can't see the column support for the long span or load bearing walls. Is it just me or these don't comply to safe construction principles. Was it an accident waiting to happen from the word go? And the angle (grade) of the beams.......are the beams (span) not too "flat" ? Questions need to be asked and answered.

There should be a proper investigation into the causes of this collapse and the results made PUBLIC. We all need to learn more from these happenings.

Please how much is this stone they call 'ekereke' obtained from Okigwe? Thanks.

greenermodels:
if you can't trust your own blood brother to supervise your ten million naira bungalow without stealing from you,how then can you go into a million dollar partnership with an outsider? what you raised is one of the reasons the Nigerian economy can never industrialize,it's actually more deeper rooted than you make it sound.

I agree with you!
I was just hoping my post can "start a discussion" on it, my post can not claim to have analysed the entire problem. Its really very deep, as you said.

TRUST is a major issue in business ...and not just in Nigeria alone though we seem to take it to another "brazen level".
I actually dont relate with anyone, based on absolute trust....... l just take "precautions"!

But if they can overcome such 'trust-issues' in the foreign countries, using "proper documentation, legally-binding contracts and common sense", we too can minimize such risks to a manageable level.




Lastpage!

spyder880:


There should be a proper investigation into the causes of this collapse and the results made PUBLIC. We all need to learn more from these happenings.

I heard the contractor is going to be arrested, order from the state governor.

spyder880:


There should be a proper investigation into the causes of this collapse and the results made PUBLIC. We all need to learn more from these happenings.

True talk Bro!
When we hang iron trusses the way l see it in that picture by @diordaves, it has to be based on serious Engineering calculations relating to "Moments and Forces" (Physiscs!) and any faulty calculations may result in the forces tilting in unexpected direction, with unintended consequences.

We are waiting and watching what they would tell us, if there is no cover-up.




Lastpage!

greenermodels:
if you can't trust your own blood brother to supervise your ten million naira bungalow without stealing from you,how then can you go into a million dollar partnership with an outsider? what you raised is one of the reasons the Nigerian economy can never industrialize,it's actually more deeper rooted than you make it sound.

TRUST is a big thing. In the west I do not think they have trust either however what they do have is re assurance,The fact you can get your money back if something goes wrong is waht keeps them going.I always buy my flight tkt with credit cards that way if something goes wrong I get my money back.I don't even need to go to court.If I pay for that crane and the coy goes burst without delivering,I'm covered.
Now in that pic up there, the only thing missing would be the money factor to hire that big crane up there.I don't have a clue to how much it would cost to rent one for the day.

lastpage:


I agree with you!
I was just hoping my post can "start a discussion" on it, my post can not claim to have analysed the entire problem. Its really very deep, as you said.

TRUST is a major issue in business ...and not just in Nigeria alone though we seem to take it to another "brazen level".
I actually dont relate with anyone, based on absolute trust....... l just take "precautions"!

But if they can overcome such 'trust-issues' in the foreign countries, using "proper documentation, legally-binding contracts and common sense", we too can minimize such risks to a manageable level.




Lastpage!

as far as the justice system is messed up,proper documentation, legally binding contracts and common sense cannot be enforced. the farmer that is owing me 50k for more than ten years and the bank MDs that failed the banks i bought stocks in,are all moving freely because of that.

erico2k2:

TRUST is a big thing. In the west I do not think they have trust either however what they do have is re assurance,The fact you can get your money back if something goes wrong is waht keeps them going.I always buy my flight tkt with credit cards that way if something goes wrong I get my money back.I don't even need to go to court.If I pay for that crane and the coy goes burst without delivering,I'm covered.
Now in that pic up there, the only thing missing would be the money factor to hire that big crane up there.I don't have a clue to how much it would cost to rent one for the day.

if you buy that Crane in Nigeria online and they failed to deliver, you won't do squat.

lastpage:


True talk Bro!
When we hang iron trusses the way l see it in that picture by @diordaves, it has to be based on serious Engineering calculations relating to "Moments and Forces" (Physiscs!) and any faulty calculations may result in the forces tilting in unexpected direction, with unintended consequences.

We are waiting and watching what they would tell us, if there is no cover-up.




Lastpage!

steel structure design and construction is a serious business because of the intricate nature of connections, moment transfers, and capacity of steel structural members.

structure can even collapsed when all the load acting on the member are properly calculated, allowed for and all the corresponding moment shear force, axial force, twisting moment, deflection and all other factors are considered and properly allowed for.

diordaves:
I just saw these dramatic pix of the recent church collapse........if these are true especially the metal contraption; I can't see the column support for the long span or load bearing walls. Is it just me or these don't comply to safe construction principles. Was it an accident waiting to happen from the word go? And the angle (grade) of the beams.......are the beams (span) not too "flat" ? Questions need to be asked and answered.

from the pictures i have seen so far, i think the following things may be responsible
1. the section of the truss member may not be adequate for the intended load that the roof will carry
2. the center connection where all the steel truss may not be properly design