diordaves:


I was expecting you to ask why should a non professional plumber handle any job at all? Is a non professional not a pretender after any profession?

Do you really want me to engage you in this discuss or probably this thread is bored and so lets catch some fun?

bixton:



Do you really want me to engage you in this discuss or probably this thread is bored and so lets catch some fun?

It's good to engage for educational and constructive reasons. Rotecch77 said and I quote 'only professional plumber can handle this" .

Maybe I got the term "professional plumber" wrong. My thinking is all plumbers are professionals, so by qualifying "plumber" with "professional" it's seems to me there are some plumbers who are not professional, so can't handle the job. Is your interpretation different from mine? A non professional plumber is a fake or am I wrong?

And then you asked how a professional plumber would handle it and this just got me thinking: how would a non professional plumber handle it as home owners are prone to cutting corners by all too often engaging the DIY route or as someone once said baba Lati.

To other serious DIYers out there who do certain work within our capabilities, please do not be dissuaded.

We are blessed with opposable digits but some are afraid to make use of them.

The same set of nimrods will get behind the wheel of their cars and drive themselves and their families at great speed without breaking a sweat. Tasks can be and are learned by those who utilize their brains. I guess some are just inherently lazy and narrowly focused on life.

diordaves:


It's good to engage for educational and constructive reasons. Rotecch77 said and I quote 'only professional plumber can handle this" .

Maybe I got the term "professional plumber" wrong. My thinking is all plumbers are professionals, so by qualifying "plumber" with "professional" it's seems to me there are some plumbers who are not professional, so can't handle the job. Is your interpretation different from mine? A non professional plumber is a fake or am I wrong?

And then you asked how a professional plumber would handle it and this just got me thinking: how would a non professional plumber handle it as home owners are prone to cutting corners by all too often engaging the DIY route or as someone once said baba Lati.

I asked a simple question and I got a reply .
I stopped there.


I am not bored now, so i'll not comment about it.

diordaves:


It's good to engage for educational and constructive reasons. Rotecch77 said and I quote 'only professional plumber can handle this" .

Maybe I got the term "professional plumber" wrong. My thinking is all plumbers are professionals, so by qualifying "plumber" with "professional" it's seems to me there are some plumbers who are not professional, so can't handle the job. Is your interpretation different from mine? A non professional plumber is a fake or am I wrong?

And then you asked how a professional plumber would handle it and this just got me thinking: how would a non professional plumber handle it as home owners are prone to cutting corners by all too often engaging the DIY route or as someone once said baba Lati.

When it's come to plumbing and electrical....allow a good professional to handle it so there won't be regret later on.. was in a house last.. The owner continue to experience random electric shock.. I discovered that earthing was not done properly. .

There are things that should be left for a professional to handle. . Discussing them here might not even make sense..

twinskenny:


When it's come to plumbing and electrical....allow a good professional to handle it so there won't be regret later on.. was in a house last.. The owner continue to experience random electric shock.. I discovered that earthing was not done properly. .

There are things that should be left for a professional to handle. . Discussing them here might not even make sense..

Not to pick on you but this just shows how long we have to go in Nigeria.

There's nothing electrical that cannot be done by a homeowner. At worst the work needs to be checked by a licensed electrician before it will pass code enforcement. This is the standard here.

Some people build their homes themselves completely, from groundbreaking to roofing. It's all on YouTube.

We're not talking brain surgery here or charting a course to Mars.

Can you please tell me, if you care, what education and employment experience you have that makes you a professional electrician? Are you also licensed by the state?

As a lowly DIYer, I assure you that I have more and better equipment that you. Please don't join the bandwagon of dissing homeowners or DIYers.

twinskenny:


When it's come to plumbing and electrical....allow a good professional to handle it so there won't be regret later on.. was in a house last.. The owner continue to experience random electric shock.. I discovered that earthing was not done properly. .

There are things that should be left for a professional to handle. . Discussing them here might not even make sense..

I agree with you. Our alaroro too much sometimes. We should know the boundaries and we're to draw the line.

Foundation, structural sub-structure, whole scale plumbings, electrical are no no for the DIYers or non professionals of the trade. Even basics like achitectural drawings, some ask for free copy and then when the building is on going, you will start reading controversy like: I put pillar here; you omitted pillar there, foundation too low, builder na wash.

When I read such, I just wonder because if there's a plan/structural drawings, such aguement should not occur.

EgunMogaji:


Not to pick on you but this just shows how long we have to go in Nigeria.

There's nothing electrical that cannot be done by a homeowner. At worst the work needs to be checked by a licensed electrician before it will pass code enforcement. This is the standard here.

Some people build their homes themselves completely, from groundbreaking to roofing. It's all on YouTube.

We're not talking brain surgery here or charting a course to Mars.

Can you please tell me, if you care, what education and employment experience you have that makes you a professional electrician? Are you also licensed by the state?

As a lowly DIYer, I assure you that I have more and better equipment that you. Please don't join the bandwagon of dissing homeowners or DIYers.

Not dissing anyone if the home owner think he can learn from YouTube or web pages to do electrical installations for his no issue at all.. The highlighted line above say it all.. We can't be jack of all trade someone need to check to make sure things are done properly.... was on a site the other day.. The house collapsed because the owner gave the job to a bricklayer to help build after obtaining drawing fromm an archy no supervision nothing.. house give way at decking level.. now the home owner is trying to cut cost but what happened? ? He said trusted the bricklayers for so so long.. that doesn't make him a professional

We did a site in enugu the owner was with us through out.. it's was like we working together. I believe he can do it on his own but then having someone who has been in the field for some time pays a lot. .

twinskenny:


Not dissing anyone if the home owner think he can learn from YouTube or web pages to do electrical installations for his no issue at all.. The highlighted line above say it all.. We can't be jack of all trade someone need to check to make sure things are done properly.... was on a site the other day.. The house collapsed because the owner gave the job to a bricklayer to help build after obtaining drawing fromm an archy no supervision nothing.. house give way at decking level.. now the home owner is trying to cut cost but what happened? ? He said trusted the bricklayers for so so long.. that doesn't make him a professional

I think the favorite past time on here is picking on homeowners and DIYers. You join this bandwagon sometimes. It's sad though and I hope that you have a rethink. But it's up to you.

Just because you encountered a few homeowners that were duped by less than qualified artisans does not mean that DIYers are not astute people.

That a licensed professional has to verify the work does not mean that the work was not done accurately. It just simply means that the city's insurance requires that. No more no less. Won't you want to make sure that your neighbor's house will not catch fire from improper work that will affect your property value?

Ineptitude is not solely a trait found with DIYers. Very common across the board.

Is HSLBroker, Egbosa, Brabus, etc professionals or DIYers?

Again, Sir, what is your education/training and background experience that makes you a professional? Are you licensed for ALL work that you do for clients?

I have seen a 3 storey building that collapsed because the client who happened to a Professor in one of the pure sciences turned out to be the Engineer and Supervisor and Project Manager.


It is because of this our so called Professionalism that makes certain clients turn to other alternatives which end up good and bad in some instances.

Nothing stops one from speeching without trying to talk down another just because you need a job.

A Professional does not tell people that he is but his work(s) speaks for it self.

Hello sir,


For the record am not against any home owner who want to diy... If he thinks he can handle it why not? What am saying is there are things that should be left for a professional. Simple.

Even if you are not given the said professional the job u can pay a little fees.. let him supervise for you. . I don't think that's bad in anyway.

Thank you God bless

We are all DIYers on one thing or the other.

There are professional sex therapists, professional race car drivers, professional speech therapists.

Let's celebrate our differences, not use it against each other.

Anyone that is not licensed by the state governing board is not any more qualified than a DIYer.

My own understanding of DIY when it comes to building is like d project manager of your project. It doesn't stop one from engaging a professional. Because i have never for once seen any building owner here doing plumbing works or electrical wiring, because u will never learn anything in toto from youtube. The idea we share here is to have a clue, so we can interact with professionals without looking lost. Not that we are gonna do it ourselves. There is no way someone will learn electrical wiring from NL & Youtube without field training & wire a 3 bedroom bungalow, u go just burn your house. DIY approach is for minor fault, like fixing d wall socket, joining d tv wire etc...not full scale project. Whether u use the DIY route or not, u will still hire a professional or someone who has been in that line to execute the job while u watch. Just that most times the DIY approach gives one the confidence to hire less experienced persons, giving room for shoddy jobs.

A yoruba adage, "Ibi ti eniyan ba rin mo, lo ri mo".

It's so sad to read some stuff on here. Truly sad.

But this is the same Nigeria that I 'm apparently too big to dare open the hood of my own car to gauge my oil pr worse check my tire pressure. So not sure why I'm surprised.

Course for par I guess.

Instead of sitting at beer parlors or carrying oloshos around, people should learn to volunteer at places like Habitat for Humanity (they operate in Africa too but not sure in Nigeria, yet), people should volunteer to build houses and learn different building trades. Expand your horizon.

https://www.habitat.org/impact/our-work/home-construction

#LazyNigerianYouths is apparently true.

johnson232:
My own understanding of DIY when it comes to building is like d project manager of your project. It doesn't stop one from engaging a professional. Because i have never for once seen any building owner here doing plumbing works or electrical wiring, because u will never learn anything in toto from youtube. The idea we share here is to have a clue, so we can interact with professionals without looking lost. Not that we are gonna do it ourselves. There is no way someone will learn electrical wiring from NL & Youtube without field training & wire a 3 bedroom bungalow, u go just burn your house. DIY approach is for minor fault, like fixing d wall socket, joining d tv wire etc...not full scale project. Whether u use the DIY route or not, u will still hire a professional or someone who has been in that line to execute the job while u watch. Just that most times the DIY approach gives one the confidence to hire less experienced persons, giving room for shoddy jobs.

exactly my point sir..

somewhere a plumber did this..

he said one thing one thing one thing.. and damaged the bathtub..

twinskenny:



exactly my point sir..

somewhere a plumber did this..

he said one thing one thing one thing.. and damaged the bathtub..

U see!
DIY approach doesn't mean u shouldn't hire professionals or proficient hands to handle your project, it just make u more involved in the project. Not that u should go about doing everything yourself or hire quacks while u assume the position of a supervisor in something u weren't trained in.

good day house,
pls is 0.45 guage suitable for stone coat roofing sheet. trying to roof my house but all the sellers i called in kaduna have only 0.45.

DIY is good and should be encouraged where and when appropriate. People go to college/University or apprenticeship and spend years to acquire the appropriate professional training and certification; to think we can replicate such by watching DIY on YouTube is making light of education and training. No need for school na, make we kuku buy data to watch YouTube.

DIY is for maintenance and top up of what the professional has done. Though internal decorations like tiling, kitchen fitting, painting can go DIY but not stuff that need years of specialist training. We've seen here where folks are building storey building ala DIY. My liver no fit try such.

Understanding the basic concept of something why learning on youtube is all well and good but someone needs years of experience b4 he can be called a professional. because if the unexpected will happen one has who to hold responsible but for stuff like house building or complete car pimping, one needs a specialist at the side

Many online institutions exist for learning all over the world. On various subjects.

The information is out there for those that wish and more importantly are open to expanding their depths of knowledge.

I just laugh out loud when people try to equate electrical or plumbing work to brain surgery.

bixton:
I have seen a 3 storey building that collapsed because the client who happened to a Professor in one of the pure sciences turned out to be the Engineer and Supervisor and Project Manager.


It is because of this our so called Professionalism that makes certain clients turn to other alternatives which end up good and bad in some instances.

Nothing stops one from speeching without trying to talk down another just because you need a job.

A Professional does not tell people that he is but his work(s) speaks for it self.

Gbayi jare, u hit the point well.
Pure fact!

Anybody have experience with kitchen cabinets made from solid wood. It used to be done by old fashion carpenters but now all I see is HDF and MDF. I would not mind using HDF for inside partition but for the face (Outside covering), I am looking for solid wood made from Masonia, Mahogany or oak wood. Any suggestion would be appreciated.

nwaorlu:
Anybody have experience with kitchen cabinets made from solid wood. It used to be done by old fashion carpenters but now all I see is HDF and MDF. I would not mind using HDF for inside partition but for the face (Outside covering), I am looking for solid wood made from Masonia, Mahogany or oak wood. Any suggestion would be appreciated.

I've been after this too. Please let me know if you find someone offline.

PS: I have seen some locally that I've shared on here but they are not of agreeable quality.

nwaorlu:
Anybody have experience with kitchen cabinets made from solid wood. It used to be done by old fashion carpenters but now all I see is HDF and MDF. I would not mind using HDF for inside partition but for the face (Outside covering), I am looking for solid wood made from Masonia, Mahogany or oak wood. Any suggestion would be appreciated.

We handle this check it out if the concept match what you want, although its a door

rotecch77:

We handle this check it out if the concept match what you want, although its a door

The doors are very good. But I will also like to see the same for the kitchen cabinets. I will surely be interested too.
Will the doors and cabinet need to be repainted? Thanks.

Hajji M.

EgunMogaji:

PS: I have seen some locally that I've shared on here but they are not of agreeable quality.

I have not seen your post here on the one you find in Naija.
Please can you repost it. Thanks.

God help us in Naija... this is plenty in Home Depot, Lowes etc.

Hajji M.

mufutau55:


The doors are very good. But I will also like to see the same for the kitchen cabinets. I will surely be interested too.
Will the doors and cabinet need to be repainted? Thanks.

Hajji M.

When we are done with the kitchen cabinet I will alert you sir.

mufutau55:


I have not seen your post here on the one you find in Naija.
Pkease can you repost it. Thanks.

God help us in Naija... this is plenty in Home Depot, Lowes etc.

Hajji M.

I'll find it, Sir.

Not only find it there Sir, but you'll give them the measurement of your kitchen and they'll do a 3D for you with cabinets that will fit.

I've been spoilt by the very pro DIY atmosphere here.

EgunMogaji:

Not only find it there Sir, but you'll give them the measurement of your kitchen and they'll do a 3D for you with cabinets that will fit.
I've been spoilt by the very pro DIY atmosphere here.

I know o. A friend just shipped his from here, obtained fro HM.
Perfect fit when assembled in Naija.
I am too poor to do same o.

Hajji M.

rotecch77:

When we are done with the kitchen cabinet I will alert you sir.

Ok Boss. I will hold-on on doing mine for now.

Hajji M.

mufutau55:


I know o. A friend just shipped his from here, obtained fro HM.
Perfect fit when assembled in Naija.
I am too poor to do same o.

Hajji M.

Personally, I don't think that the shipping expense is necessary. You can get it done here but it will take you (not anyone with a Nigerian eye) to monitor the work.