twinstaiye:

Facts about scientific subjects and the news delivered to us about the past and future, facts that no one could have known at the time of the Qur'an's revelation, are announced in its verses. It is impossible for this information, examples of which we have discussed in detail in this book, to have been known with the level of knowledge and technology available in 7th century Arabia. With this in mind, let us ask:

Could anyone in 7th century Arabia have known that our atmosphere is made up of seven layers?

Could anyone in 7th century Arabia have known in detail the various stages of development from which an embryo grows into a baby and then enters the world from inside his mother?

1. Could anyone in 7th century Arabia have known that the universe is "steadily expanding," as the Qur'an puts it, when modern scientists have only in recent decades put forward the idea of the "Big Bang"?

2. Could anyone in 7th century Arabia have known about the fact that each individual's fingertips are absolutely unique, when we have only discovered this fact recently, using modern technology and modern scientific equipment?

twinstaiye:

Facts about scientific subjects and the news delivered to us about the past and future, facts that no one could have known at the time of the Qur'an's revelation, are announced in its verses. It is impossible for this information, examples of which we have discussed in detail in this book, to have been known with the level of knowledge and technology available in 7th century Arabia. With this in mind, let us ask:

Could anyone in 7th century Arabia have known that our atmosphere is made up of seven layers?

Could anyone in 7th century Arabia have known in detail the various stages of development from which an embryo grows into a baby and then enters the world from inside his mother?

Could anyone in 7th century Arabia have known that the universe is "steadily expanding," as the Qur'an puts it, when modern scientists have only in recent decades put forward the idea of the "Big Bang"?

Could anyone in 7th century Arabia have known about the fact that each individual's fingertips are absolutely unique, when we have only discovered this fact recently, using modern technology and modern scientific equipment?

The only answer to these questions is as follows: the Qur'an is the Word of the Almighty Allah, the Originator of everything and the One Who encompasses everything with His knowledge. In one verse, Allah says,
[b]"If it had been from other than Allah, they would have found many inconsistencies in it." (Qur'an, 4:82) [/b]Every piece of information the Qur'an contains reveals the secret miracles of this divine book.

The human being is meant to hold fast to this Divine Book revealed by Allah and to receive it with an open heart as his one and only guide in life. In the Qur'an, Allah tells us the following:

This Qur'an could never have been devised by any besides Allah. Rather it is confirmation of what came before it and an elucidation of the Book which contains no doubt from the Lord of all the worlds. Do they say, "He has invented it"? Say: "Then produce a sura like it and call on anyone you can besides Allah if you are telling the truth." (Qur'an, 10:37-38)

And this is a Book We have sent down and blessed, so follow it and have fear of Allah so that hopefully you will gain mercy. (Qur'an, 6:155)

twinstaiye:

  And all the miracles we saw all through this book takes place in the Book (the Quran) which has the biggest claim and the most extraordinary book. All the signs throughout the book present that the Quran’s claim is true; this book with the biggest claim is also the biggest miracle.

twinstaiye:

- Is there another book that places God into the center of life and gives the value He deserves? - No.

twinstaiye:

- Is there another book on the earth, explains the events that can not be known 1400 years ago and all its information true; from the depths of the space to under the seas, from the development in our mother’s womb to the end of the universe? - No
- Is there any serious book which gives meaning to life, and says there is an after life and gives the mankind the hope he needs. - No
- Is there another book which while achieving all these, has also a mathematical code system and keeps together the wholeness in its meaning and code? - No

twinstaiye:

- Is there another book which confirms all the prophets throughout history, Noah, Moses and Jesus…, the prophets who brought common messages? A Book which approves all the prophets and their books, since it is the last book. - No

twinstaiye:

All the data show that the book which has the biggest claim is also the biggest miracle. The miracles of the Quran never end, everyday a new miracle is revealed:

olsmade:

U see, Davidylan, Shahan, n y'all that think the Quran's a joke n that Muhammad(PBUH) is a fake, let me just say this, get your facts right. it aint enough 2 come on nairaland n start discussing. heaven's sake, this is a thread for people that have already researched n know d basics of islam. i've read so many of the posts n diz stuff can't be explained on the forum, i must tell you. if U really want to know about Islam, the quran n Muhammad(PBUH), get books on islam or browse muslim sites. if u can't do this, then aint got nothing 2 say 2 u.

Peace.

N please if you're going to reply to this post, be kind enough to reply in mild language. this aint no war.

olsmade:

U see, Davidylan, Shahan, n y'all that think the Quran's a joke n that Muhammad(PBUH) is a fake, let me just say this, get your facts right. it aint enough 2 come on nairaland n start discussing. heaven's sake, this is a thread for people that have already researched n know d basics of islam. i've read so many of the posts n diz stuff can't be explained on the forum, i must tell you. if U really want to know about Islam, the quran n Muhammad(PBUH), get books on islam or browse muslim sites. if u can't do this, then aint got nothing 2 say 2 u.

Peace.

N please if you're going to reply to this post, be kind enough to reply in mild language. this aint no war.

shahan:


There's no need to feel intimidated by asking for mild language in replies to yours. People on Nairaland are intelligent folks who are reasonable and civil enough to address issues. I think your plea is more suited to your apologists who are very often losing the plot.

WesleyanA:

everyone is deluded in his or her own way.

WesleyanA:

I personally don't judge religion. just look at the people's good and moral deeds as well as the level of their practicality. Muslims win hand down on this.

WesleyanA:

why is God refered to as "HE" in the bible always. why aren't there any much females and all that except for the few Ruth, Deborah, Sarah etc compared to the plethora of males.

WesleyanA:

and they'll call others delusional

shahan:

I presume that pretty much sums up your own delusion, judging from the fact that you neither know for certain what both faiths are actually about.

Lol, you personally don't judge religion. . . then at the end you judged what you claim you don't.

Neither Ruth, nor Deborah, nor Sarah are God - there. The fact that they're mentioned should set the stage as to why no woman is prominently mentioned as playing a historical part in Islamic theological eschatology.

In just precisely the way they've demonstrated the point to be called such.

WesleyanA:

I don't think any deluded person will call his/herself deluded. remember how they used to say "mad people don't believe they're mad"

WesleyanA:

Muslims win hands down in their practicality is what I intended and then I realized that you guys will misinterprete me so i took it out.

WesleyanA:

doesn't matter anyways. The second line of my post mentions the same thing in a more understandable way.

WesleyanA:

They pray more, etc and follow their faith more than christians do.

WesleyanA:

That's not judging religion. It's judging practicing believers. Muslims does not equal Islam

WesleyanA:

I never called Ruth, Deborah or Sarah God. don't twist my words.

WesleyanA:

Men are prominently mentioned because the book was written centuries ago and the perceptions of the people then were almost extremely biased gender-wise (according to today's standards), so there!

WesleyanA:

People living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

WesleyanA:

If you believe muslims are delusional, they also believe that YOU are delusional.

WesleyanA:

That's why i said everyone is delusional in his/her own way.

WesleyanA:

everyone is deluded in his or her own way.

WesleyanA:

Islam is the most practicing faith i've ever come across. I bet more muslims have a shot into Paradise than christians have shot into Heaven.

WesleyanA:

and I don't believe Islam is a false religion.

WesleyanA:

Even if you compared early christianity to the one we have now, you probably would think they were different religions.

WesleyanA:

As long as the same God is worshipped (Allah or God, and other names he has), then i don't see any problem with it anyways.

WesleyanA:

i don't think anyone should be up and arms about the 72 virgin thing. The Quran was written centuries ago. ideas like that were considered the norm. Even the Bible contains some really provocative ideologies. especially Old Testament which was written even at an earlier time period.
but then, we're in the 21st century and a lot of muslims don't believe in that especially the ones who live in secular. . .oops i mean westernized christian countries.

WesleyanA:

yeah many middle eastern muslims still believe in it? well, many christians in Africa also still believe in accusing their parents,anyone and everyone of witchcraft. I don't see the difference.

WesleyanA:

even President Obasanjo who was christian (and more westernized since he doesn't live in a farm village anymore at least) supported throwing homosexuals into jail and whatnot. I really don't see how much of a difference that is with Sharia.

WesleyanA:

The early American puritans were christians too (there are still some of them around) do you want to defend their actions? They're following the bible aren't they?

I personally don't judge religion as a whole because it's impractical to do that. Plus, people interprete their bibles, qurans differently.
just look at the people's good and moral deeds as well as the level of their practicality (in their faith).

as much as western propaganda might like you to think, all muslims aren't suicide bombing terrorists. ok?
we have the extreme muslims and the regular muslims like Munika2. don't hate on Islam

WesleyanA:

@Davidylan, why is God refered to as "HE" in the bible always. why aren't there any much females and all that except for the few Ruth, Deborah, Sarah etc compared to the plethora of males.

WesleyanA:

You sure there's no such thing as gender bias in the bible? lol
and they'll call others delusional

That's not judging religion. It's judging practicing believers. Muslims does not equal Islam

Let's just take this as grown-ups. Where is the Muslim without Islam? In real Islamic ideology, you just do not separate the one from the other - and any Muslim will tell you that. The Muslim who denies that may do so just for the sake of arguments, and not because it holds true.

What a laugh. You really have a small view of what prayer means to practising Christians. Muslims gather five times a day for prayers in open squares and mosques doesn't prove that Christians pray less. I personally know Christians who are committed in prayer far more beyond the outward expression by which you measure their Muslim counterparts.

WesleyanA:

@ Shahan

Let's just take this as grown-ups. Where is the Muslim without Islam? In real Islamic ideology, you just do not separate the one from the other - and any Muslim will tell you that. The Muslim who denies that may do so just for the sake of arguments, and not because it holds true.
the way I see it:
Muslims are people who practice islam
and Islam is the religion they practice.
you can categorize people as 'radical muslim' or 'moderate muslim'but you can't say 'radical islam' or 'moderate islam'

so in my opinion, Islam is one and it is the various believer's opinions and views that determine how they'll practice it whether radicaly, conservatively or in between.

Could you please enlighten on why muslims are shot to paradise and christians to heaven? What is the difference between the two since the bible also uses both interchangeably? Since you definitely have not the foggiest idea, may i submit that the above line was written without recourse to analytical reasoning.

Yep. Now God is more longsuffering! In the days of Paul and Peter, people like you who uttered such blasphemy as these would have perished in the same manner as annanias and saphira!

Could you please enlighten us on the biblical "provocative ideologies"? I'd rather work with detailed examples than mere generalisations based on mere abstract thinking that have no basis!

I'm glad you mentioned that those muslims who don't believe in such hideous islamic traditions are those in christian countries. Perhaps their lack of belief is predicated on the fact that sanity prevails in christian countries and marrying more than 1 wife is against the law! The muslims that would be ideal for reference would be those in Saudi Arabia where Islam was founded! You do not make sweeping generalisations about Jews using those living in Uganda as examples!

Perhaps it would interest you to note that witchcraft beliefs are firmly rooted in the culture of Africans and has absolutely nothing to do with their christian beliefs!

It is easy to detect people who lack wisdom! They use the actions of one isolated mortal as a yardstick for describing an entire population. Where in the bible did it mention a jail term for homosexuals? Is Obasanjo the yardstick by which we measure christianity?

shahan:

So, I'd take that quip as a teaser that Muslims don't swear - they do. You haven't heard half the story when they gather for a so-called protest against the 'infidels'.

WesleyanA:

Muslims primarily call it Paradise
Christians primarily call it Heaven

WesleyanA:

so why are you complaining about the wordings of the Quran
[b]If christians then did such thing and it was okay, why are you condeming the Islam religion for the actions of it's followers?[/b]that's like the christian equivalent of sharia -what i just quoted you on.

WesleyanA:

what i quoted you on (above). yeah work with it.

WesleyanA:

they're not in christian countries, they're in secular countries with secular laws.

WesleyanA:

Muslims living in christian parts of Nigeria will be just as radical
while ones living in lets say USA will be moderate.

WesleyanA:

that's why i said this
"The christian nations are getting so secularized and that's the reason (I believe) that many (who are objective) take christianity in higher esteem than Islam."

WesleyanA:

unfortunately, many christians use the "guilt by association" to catigorize the Islamic religion as being suicide-bombing-terrorist-loving-radical-evil.
you see how this is wrong don't you?

WesleyanA:

btway. that wasn't my point. my point was, it's more likely for jail terms for homosexuals to be supported by christians in Africa than christians in the Western countries. (many Nigerian Bishops even supported it)
which also supports my point that muslims in other countries are likely to be more radical than muslims in the western countries

WesleyanA:

which supports my point that this is not the problem of religion but rather a problem of culture, civilization e.t.c

WesleyanA:

so yeah there is nothing wrong with the quran or Islam as a religion.

Doesnt seem you really understand the concept you are talking about. Paradise is used uncountable times in the bible. i wonder where you got the idea that christians primarily refer to it as heaven!

Last i checked, you quoted nothing. Unless you are refering to your baseless generalisations.

What is your definition of a secular country? Virtually all European countries and the USA were founded on the principles of christianity from where they derived most of their present day laws!

This is just pure nonsense. How many radical muslims do we have in Lagos or Edo state?
What makes muslims in the USA moderate and those in christian areas of Nigeria radical?
If by your warped logic, muslims are moderate simply because they live in "secular" countries, are you trying to insinuate that Nigeria is not a secular country which is why muslims here are radical? Is it not because there are laws that are enforced in the US unlike in northern Nigeria where there are not only sacred cows, but goats and chickens?

you are just confused. First you call them secular countries, next you say christian nations are getting secular! Two quotes above you claimed these "moderate" muslims are NOT in christian countries but in secular countries, now you claim that christian nations are getting secular. Pray, where are these secular countries that are different from christian countries that your dear "moderate" muslims live?

If only you had bothered to pore through a few of the commandments in the quran!

which supports my point that this is not the problem of religion but rather a problem of culture, civilization e.t.c

Again you really have no point here! What is this universal culture that is making islamic fundamentalism rear its ugly head in London, USA, Nigeria, Sudan, Somalia, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Indonesia, Australia, Spain e.t.c.? What civilization are you talking about here?

WesleyanA:

lol. Christians do primarily refer to it as heaven. quit arguing over nonsense and rubbish.
You call it heaven all the time and you know it. how many times have you or christian pastors said stuff like "sit on the right side of God in paradise"
no muslim usually use that. christians use "heaven" lol

WesleyanA:

uh-uh!! and that's why it's now illegal to use prayer in schools and govt workplaces/ spaces in general.
It's also why it was being debated whether to rename the "christmas tree" at the white house to "national tree"
and that's why it's also ok for priests to be gay (gay marriage is legalized in massachusetts. i don't know about that and principles of christianity. do you?)
And that's also why many of the laws are being modified to fit the modern day.

lol. take it. Most western countries are becoming more and more secular everyday. why do you argue over what you yourself know to be true?

WesleyanA:

USA is more liberal and Nigeria is more conservative
If you ask a muslim in lagos if he/she believes in 72 virgins and Sharia, he/she is more likely to tell you YES than a muslim in the US,
because the liberal western culture (women rights, human rights e.t.c) would have influenced the American Muslim. Trust me I have them as friends and i bet you do too.

WesleyanA:

western countries are becoming more and more secular period. the US can actually be called a secular country in regards to the government. beliefs are practiced in personal spaces and don't conflict with how the nation is governed.

The "classifications" of muslims into either radical or moderate is purely a media invention and has nothing to do with defining a true muslim.

Islam is one? Thank God you said "in your oppininon"! Perhaps you might want to enlighten us on why we have sunni moslems, shia muslims e.t.c. since islam is one!

That christian nations (aka western nations) are becoming more secular has never been in doubt from day 1. That christianity is being stripped from government is thanks to those who are bent on separating church from state quite unlike what obtains in your beloved muslim nations where the state is the religion!
And stop using the same hollow arguments that muslims use, gay priests do not represent the vast majority of christians. That there are homosexuals in america does not suddenly portray all americans as homosexual! Gay marriage being legalised in massahusetts, i thought you told us that the US was now a secular state? What is the connection between the legalisation of gay marriages and christian principles?

WesleyanA:

for some reason, these fundamentalists are immigrants or 2nd generation. so they're really not Western.
most of them are from the middle-east basically.
and the rest of them most likely aren't integrated with the rest of the western world/culture.
I refuse to see the problem as the fault of a religion. If it was so, we would still be having witch trials in America today. even slavery (some southerners used the bible as an argument for slavery)

to me, it has to do with civilization and culture basically. things change and perspectives about things change. but in some countries they don't. usually the underdeveloped countries are more likely to be like that.

WesleyanA:

Davidylan, QUIT IT. most christians refer to it as HEAVEN full stop. when the other christians come on here, we'll ask them whether they refer to it as paradise or heaven.

yeah God is also Jehovah but most christians refer to him as God
yeah Jesus is also Messiah but most christians refer to him as Jesus

so quit it. doesn't matter what word choice i use.ok?

you know what. fine muslims and christians go to paradise. you happy now? lol

making a big deal out of nothing.

WesleyanA:

I should have said "liberal" "moderate" and "conservative" muslims and in between.
The more conservative ones are usually referred to as being "radical"
of course they are not radical in their states (the 'liberal' ones would be "radical" in muslim states)
so, it's not a media invention.
African Americans carrying Afros are considered to be radical in the US.

WesleyanA:

Islam is ONE if you go by the Quran. People however have different interpretations of Allah's words and the difference might have etched it's place in too deep.

WesleyanA:

you know what. fine muslims and christians go to paradise. you happy now? lol