orisa37:
To all athiests, I say God knows you, for you are His sons and daughters like I am. But He can never give you wisdom to know Him. All that He has allowed you, is cunningness to rant in the dark sheol. He makes the earth for works and for our aims, but the Heaven, His Residence, He makes for our home and rest. Before and after the Big-Bang, God is it. For God is our Instructor, Director, Dis-"cern"-ment, wisdom, knowledge and understanding. So God is the latest CERN development. Athiests can never know God 'cos He has kept them permanently in darkness with the foolishness of the devil. All the evidences I need to know God are in the Bible and in His Spirit in me. All future developments will be just an extension of His wisdom, knowledge and understanding of our actions, interactions and movements on earth.

orisa37:
To all athiests, I say God knows you, for you are His sons and daughters like I am. But He can never give you wisdom to know Him. All that He has allowed you, is cunningness to rant in the dark sheol. He makes the earth for works and for our aims, but the Heaven, His Residence, He makes for our home and rest. Before and after the Big-Bang, God is it. For God is our Instructor, Director, Dis-"cern"-ment, wisdom, knowledge and understanding. So God is the latest CERN development. Athiests can never know God 'cos He has kept them permanently in darkness with the foolishness of the devil. All the evidences I need to know God are in the Bible and in His Spirit in me. All future developments will be just an extension of His wisdom, knowledge and understanding of our actions, interactions and movements on earth.

finofaya:

God does not want atheists to know him. Lol. Very convenient.
So what did you intend to achieve with your announcement?

orisa37:
Take the Parable of the two sons of a man. The man asked the first, go to the farm and work there. The son answered yes but disobeyed. The man asked the second son to go, the son answered no but obeyed. Which of the two sons did the will of the father? So it is for athiests and the thiests. The father, God, cannot believe you, athiest, when you can never trust Him. You are so full of disbelief, disobedience and the fact of seeing is believing. Whereas I have faith, hope, peace, love and believing before seeing Him reveal Himself to me. God is not abracadabra but a Spirit. He loves you and because you don't know, you lose patience to find Him.

orisa37:
No. God knows you and loves all His creatures but you lack the character to know God.
I shall make Heaven.

orisa37:
No. In the words of PEJ, I just wish to say, daris God ooo!!!! So athiest stop being ignorant and a bad example to your neighbours.

orisa37:
No. God knows you and loves all His creatures but you lack the character to know God.
I shall make Heaven.

tartar9:
Even if we sent down the angels to
them; even if the dead spoke to them;
even if we summoned every miracle
before them; they cannot believe
unless GOD wills it. Indeed, most of
them are ignorant (Qur'an 6:111)

orisa37:
Your atheism has been with you before you were formed in the womb. Your case is like Esau in human and Lucifer in spirit. God can still change all that and make you conform. I cannot recommend anyway now 'cos you will atheistically disregard it. Continue the way you are. God will renew your spirit in His own way and time. The sun is a star, positioned @ 93million miles from us to serve as our Task master. Thesame God you don't want to recognise put it there to prevent easy access to Heaven by atheiests. I am very certain about these.
I shall inform you when I am ready to make the trip.
Bye for now.

Brown47:

lol.
@bold so your god fix the sun there to prevent atheist from reaching heaven?

orisa37:


Your atheism has been with you before you were formed in the womb.

We are all born atheist until someone lies to us.

Your case is like Esau in human and Lucifer in spirit. God can still change all that and make you conform.

Really?

I cannot recommend anyway now 'cos you will atheistically disregard it.

You mean to say you DON'T know

Continue the way you are. God will renew your spirit in His own way and time. The sun is a star, positioned @ 93million miles from us to serve as our Task master. Thesame God you don't want to recognise put it there to prevent easy access to Heaven by atheiests.

In that case, we'll go there at night

I am very certain about these.

Any proof of this?

menesheh:
First of all, as an atheist, ask me 'menesheh what will change your view on believes?'
EVIDENCE AND PROOF.


Bible Literalists love to pose the notion that atheists are closed minded and that they themselves are actually very open-minded. Of course, like many of their other bizarre statements, the exact opposite is true. Many of them, have made it clear that there is no amount of evidence that could ever change their views. When asked what they would do if its proven that god doesn't exist, most do state that they would pray to god for guidance.

There are mountains of physical evidence against the literal biblical perspective of human origins. Those said evidence basically constitutes the whole of scientific knowledge. The fact is, that in order to hold to a biblical perspective on human origins, one has to either ignore or manipulate every bit of scientific evidence in order to hold to that perspective. The thing we all have to remember however, is that for fundamentalist Christians, this perspective towards science is necessary to validate their religious beliefs. For them, the Christian perspective only works in a literalist context.

This is why:

If the biblical creation myth isn't true, then there is no original sin. Without original sin, there is no need for Jesus. So each piece is dependent on the last for validity, and if you destroy the foundation the whole structure falls.

The reality is that theologically speaking, they're absolutely correct. Any belief outside of the literalist perspective is tantamount to belief in elves or unicorns. It is belief without any valid foundation... otherwise known as faith.

It's odd how a real understanding of these ideas can clear up some misperceptions.

It seems to me that biblical literalists actually worship the bible rather than the god they profess, that idea is what is at play here also. it seems that by following the literalist perspective they are more theologically sound, however the progressive Christian actually meets the requirement of god to believe by faith rather than proof.

The same paradox that arises here is the one which makes the no true Scotsman argument a fallacy. Theologically speaking, there's no true and valid way to say which position makes one a true Christian. So we must accept the notion that both are true Christians, and that the nature of Christian doctrine is such, that it allows for multiple and ambiguous views, thus for different schools of theological understanding. From that, we can gather that a claim of absolute truth by any Christian sect or denomination is fallacious and is based entirely on personal interpretation.

To Christians cum theists

What's the nature of evidence that can alter your religious views?

Mindfulness:


I agree with many points you have raised here BUT I do not agree with the bold.

Even if you do not consider yourself a Christian, people such as Jesus, Buddha, Mandela, MLK, Ghandi and some others are very much needed today; maybe even more than ever.

johnydon22:
I think you misunderstood him, he is addressing the line of the fable not the teachings.

I for agree with some teachings of these guys and a huge fan of such philosophies.

But his assertion was based on the storyline, let me make it clearer for you to understand it. He meant "If the adam and eve story is myth, then there was no original sin and then no need for a messiah to come and die"

So he was addressing the mythological antiquity not the idea of Jesus teachings..

Mindfulness:


I agree with many points you have raised here BUT I do not agree with the bold.

Even if you do not consider yourself a Christian, people such as Jesus, Buddha, Mandela, MLK, Ghandi and some others are very much needed today; maybe even more than ever.

menesheh:



Read between the line again. There is these Hierarchy of events that's being coined to arrive to roman Christian believe. Remove anything from the storyline, you spoiled the whole show.

Mindfulness:


I don't need the show, do you?