KingEbukasBlog:


This should be a great topic for drunks in a beer parlor
Its my opinion though

johnydon22:


You know me well, i don't exchange words with children when they start clowning...

Krystalzkris:
very nice one. I hope some wailing wailers wont come here to show their selves.

Lmao... Wailing wailers kwa...

johnydon22:


Lmao... Wailing wailers kwa...

justlove91:
@op
I commend you for the write which aims at showing the absurdities of the religious God.
I must say many people associate God with religion and that's where the problem lies and where religion fuels the disbelieve in God. God is not like what religion depicts, that kind of God is a figment of their imagination.
God is logical anything illogical should not be associated with God.
I only will urge atheists to look for God else where, I repeat religion has nothing to say about God, they have no idea.

johnydon22:


Good so now quick questions.

(1)How did you get to know about your own God?

(2)How did you know your own God is the correct one and not Allah, yahweh, zeus or other religious Gods out there?

(3)Mind postulating your method of deduction about your own God concept by providing us with actual proofs that substantiates your claims..

Thanks between

justlove91:

Like I said in my post God is logical, and any idea I see of God that is logical to me is the truth. You pointed out the falsehood of the religion God because it's not logical.
For example I was born into a Muslim family and when I found out their idea of God is illogical to me and contradicts my morality I left it.
So am for logic

johnydon22:
You sure know you didn't answer my question sir!!

(1)How did you get to know about your own God?

(2)How did you know your own God is the correct one and not Allah,
yahweh, zeus or other religious Gods out there?

(3)Mind postulating your method of deduction about your own God concept
by providing us with actual proofs that substantiates your claims..

johnydon22:
You sure know you didn't answer my question sir!!

(1)How did you get to know about your own God?

(2)How did you know your own God is the correct one and not Allah,
yahweh, zeus or other religious Gods out there?

(3)Mind postulating your method of deduction about your own God concept
by providing us with actual proofs that substantiates your claims..

justlove91:

1. Through studying and independent research.

2. Because my own concept of God is logical to me and those with open mind. I only disagree with Allah or Yehwey because their concept contradicts my reasoning.

3. You talk of PROOF as if you will even take the time to check it out before dismissing it. You asked for proof from me before, and I created this thread because of you https://www.nairaland.com/2173445/afterlife-proof-atheists-whoever-cares

only to see that you don't even read the books before you start refuting them.
I know you don't just wake up one day and become an atheist, you did your studies, likewise if you really want to know about the existence of God you should be able to at least read the proof presented after all you asked for proof. Those books are not religious books so don't tell me you know their content already.
All I see you(and other atheists ) refuting always is the religion concept of God.
Let me just ask you this question: Have you ever taken the time to look for God OUTSIDE religion?

johnydon22:
Through research of what and what?

This still doesn't mean your own God concept is the real one and not yahweh. . After all you have just shown that your concept is a personal projection of your thoughts and not an existential entity in actuality.

Near death experiences are illusionary projection of the brain during the state of clinical death, The brain is the box of perception and illusion and remains the last organ in the body to shut down after death.

NED experiences is common among heart attack patients and has always been found to create illusions found in the religious views of the patient.

it is not proof of anything neither does it lean any wait on your own God concept. You God concept remains a claim on your own part of which you need to tender actual proofs not lay out more claims..


Last i checked here i am not arguing with you here over religious concepts of God but yours.

The sun is an existential entity that doesn't need you to lay claims for it because it is right there beaming at you.

Please provide actual proof of your God here and not lay out more absurd claims

justlove91:

The books I posted has nothing to do with near death which shows that you haven't read the books, you're just repeating your preconceived ideologies. Check out what I presented before asking for more proof as if you're that serious to know.

In fact I didn't expect this from you, you're not handling it in a scientific manner at all.
To have a scientific mind is to have an open mind before drawing conclusions.
Near death ko
And don't forget to answer my question: Have you ever look for God existence OUTSIDE religion?

johnydon22:
Oh meeeehn i just clicked the link now ... seriously the ghost story thread you created sometime ago... for goodness sake i am tired of nonsensical claims here ..

Nobody needs to look anywhere for the existence of something that should be existential in the first place..

Like i said above, i am not seeing you pouring out ridiculous e-books to assert the existence of the sun.

Any baseless claim should be treated as one until substantiated by actual proof.

I repeat again, proffer actual proof of the existence of your own God or don't just waste my time any further...

KingEbukasBlog:


This should be a great topic for drunks in a beer parlor

Its my opinion though

onetrack:


I actually do that sometimes. Occasionally I debate a group of Muslims in a certain bar from time to time (we are 'regulars' so to speak), one of whom is a mallam, which is good because he can actually give the verses in Arabic and discuss the translation. They all know I'm atheist, but they all drink alcohol including the mallam so they can hardly be judgmental.

johnydon22:

Hahahaha he is experimenting and humans are the lab rat right?

An all omniscient deity or being should have known the results of this experiment even before carrying it out....lol..

Shollyps:
you av not written about your education life....are you a graduate..if yes...your school,the department n year ...probably MSC or PhD aswell..you are very intelligent.. lolz
..also wen did you become an atheist?.. I mean the year..who/wat prompt you to become an atheist .explain in details...are you still attending Church,maybe because of the pressure from your parent.. thanks...#dairies

when are you opening yours?

johnydon22:
when are you opening yours?

johnydon22:
[b]Before anyone comes here to lament how this is an attack on their religion, let it be known here that the word "God" in this post is not referring to any one deity here, just as the word is used normally the word will be used here to refer to the theistic God concept.

This is a mind stroking topic that as always is a charge to independent reason and to apply reason in belief.

It is not a hidden thing that Religions and Belief strives on Faith. From a very young age we have be taught to believe it, have faith, do not question it because it is a sin.

I remember vividly in one of our catechism classes as a child a boy asked "Why did God create the tree that wasn't supposed to be eaten?"
The voice of our catechism teacher as she scolded the little boy for asking this question.

"Don't question God because it is a sin unless you want to go to hell" This has been a catchy line used to coerced young Children into submission, used to murder their curiosity, used to instill fear of their own reason and the result is everywhere.

Most adults in their religions now are afraid to cultivate healthy questions against their belief or employ the use of reason on their belief. The premise for theses questions are there but the fear of allowing this question cultivate holds them in check as a result of the indoctrination they were subjected to as children.

These implausible tales are meant to be believed and not questioned according to religions. you should believe them by "Faith" no matter how absurd it sounds as long as you hold unto it by "Faith" then it must be true.

Why should the young minds be discouraged from questions? why should the employment of healthy reason not be applied to religious beliefs and why should these belief rely on indoctrinations of a young mind for continuity.

Only a lie would fear questions, the truth do not fear scrutinization or review, the truth do not bank on the gullibility of a child's mind (who doesn't know what he find to be plausible or not yet) to ensure conformity.

If your parents waited for you to get up to this age before telling you for the first time the story of a man who was travelling and his donkey talked to him, there is no doubt that you would have laughed and told him uptight how such tales were mythological fabrications

But it had to be sung into you as a child, scolded into you that it is true and a child has no choice but to believe what you tell them unlike an adult who is able to weight and disagree.

So why should religions thrive on the backs of young gullible minds?

Why is this truth shying away from independent minds?

and why is this truth an enemy of questions.?

Take for instance during our catechism class, the young boy was very correct. I never thought about that particular question until i became a grown up, let us be truthful to ourselves.

According to the tale: God didn't want the fruit to be eaten, the fruit according to God is not good for humans then why put it there in the first place?

I have a poisoned biscuit for mouse bait, i know it is dangerous for children and not good for them. I am fully aware of this but instead of keeping the biscuit inside my pocket i brought it out to the children, kept it in front of them and say "Don't touch it" and when they eventually do i blame them for it?

Who exactly are we kidding?

This has been one of the numerous tales we have been told to swallow with faith, do not question it because the ways of God is not the ways of my man.

That my friend is what i call arrant nonsense.

Furthering the cause of "Faith" it buries a mind in inconsistency and keeps him bolted in his own delusion.
In Greek classical antiquity we are faced with the story of Perseus having a flying horse! We all are indifferent to this because we recognize it to be myth, because we all know flying horses are constructs of plain mythology.

But yet again Muhammed rode a flying horse to Jerusalem and some of us hold this to be true. .who exactly are we kidding?

You hold the former to be myth but to the later because you have "Faith" in it you hold it to be true, this betrays the dishonesty in the position of faith.

If the first is a myth because there is no flying horse then there is no way the second instance can be true. But this outright implausibility have been laid out to be believed with Faith.


Faith which is believing something whether it is true or not should not in the first place be a basis of conclusion.

You and i do not believe by FAITH that the sun is there, No, we lack faith that there is a sun rather we are SURE that there is a sun.

So why then do we need faith in a premise where we are not sure of?

why then are we encouraged to believe a story by faith and not because we are sure of it?

why then do we need to revere what we hold on to by faith more than the things we are sure of?


If scientific deductions worked like Faith, e.g " I cannot verify the radioactive decay of this compound but i feel it in my heart that it is real, i have faith that it is real?" Let us be truthful to ourselves, would any of us take this serious?

Or a doctor telling you he do not know what is wrong with you but he has faith it is just a headache, wouldn't you leave that hospital without looking back?

Then why do we bury our reason in the inconsistency of faith?

Our faith in anything do not make that thing true, it doesn't even make it probably true or near truth. Our faith in something only affirms we believe it whether it is true or not.

But do we honestly believe it is right to believe something by Faith and not evidence?

Why is it that for obvious things like the SUN nobody needs faith to believe it but when it comes to the subject of a deity or the outright myths that accompanies it as found in most religious books, one is encouraged to hold on to it by faith.

Is it better to hold on to it by faith (whether it is true or not) OR is it better to rely on the evidence of what is to reach a successive approximation.

If someone honestly think it is right to hold on to a postulation by Faith and not evidence then that person is open and vulnerable to any absurd dogma, coercion or whim.

If we think it is more acceptable to base our beliefs on what an ancient book said or what someone said we must believe, then it is obviously evidential that we will not have freedom of thought.

Our own faith will trap us in these inconsistencies and untruths because in that position we would be unable to abandon such ideas when evidence against them comes along because we had no regard for evidence in believing them in the first place.

This like numerous ways religions has bolted us in these implausibilities that can't and shouldn't be questioned.

We have been convinced to believe by Faith that a snake talked and told a woman to eat a fruit.

Or a man somewhere in the Arab world was revealed by some immaterial creature, a book directly from the creator of the universe. One look at this book betrays the plagiarism of older texts, but somehow people are meant to believe Muhammad got it from Allah anyway.

Or a virgin got pregnant without intercourse at the same time that virgin was able to deliver without caesarean operation. In this implausibilities our faith has acted like a fish net that keeps us locked into this belief.

It is not a new thing for religions to make unfounded claims like God lives outside the universe and God is perfect.

This unfounded claims that needs to be believed by Faith even though the obvious goes contrary to this.
Perfection cannot make imperfection, If God is perfect then the story of satan has been murdered. Only something imperfect can make something imperfect.

God is all powerful but he is still playing a bet of souls with his alleged creature Satan.

Something as powerful and omni as God cannot have an enemy but religions asserts a God who has an enemy, the worst part is this enemy is still a product of this God, this enemy was powerful enough to destroy or sabotage the plans of an all powerful God like in Eden, God sometimes teams up with this enemy to go mess with someone like they did to job.

Some humans even travel on a pilgrimage to go and stone the enemy of an all powerful God, can one begin to just imagine the outright nonsensical ideas religions has bathed the world with.

A hindu will always claim Brahma seats outside the universe and is all powerful, a muslim claims so for Allah and a christian for yahweh.

They mostly make this claim based on what a book written by primitive men said, even if there is such a thing there is no way you can know, since it is outside human perception how the hell then did you get to know even to the extent of knowing it's characters.

But come to think of it, you assert a God that is all powerful and outside space and time but yet this God;

Needs worship that he can burn you if you don't give it.
Needs praise
needs acknowledgement.
Needs love even if he/she has to threaten you into it
Is not interested if a crane falls or not but is interested if i masturbate
Likes the smell of burning flesh
demands bloody sacrifices
exhibits mundane traits like hatred, jealousy, anger, wrath, judgemental not to talk of an outstanding ego.
Needs humans to speak or kill for it.
is confined to the pages of a book to speak or claim existentiality.

This list can go on and on to see how the characteristics heaped on this Gods or God concept in totality nullifies or contradicts its other traits like being perfect.

A perfect being wouldn't posses any of the above traits mentioned above. . Even a human who possess all of the above, i wonder what we would make out of such human, but apparently it is ok if it's a deity.

Something perfect needs not worship or praise or acknowledgement because it doesn't add or remove from what it is but then why are we faced with one that is even threatening to burn you if you don't give these things and still dub it perfect. That is outrightly absurd.

God has disturbing characteristics like loving the smell of burnt flesh, exhibits punny emotions that are as a result of insecurity.
Hatred, jealousy, anger, wrath are mundane traits possessed by mundane beings as a result of their insecurity and instability of emotion. i wonder how an all powerful and perfect deity should operate within the confines of these childish and disturbing insecure human emotions.

Yet again this is how religions bolts a mind in inconsistency by the act of having faith without question.

Cultivating questions should be one of the remarkable traits of humans as a being with intellect. How come this curiosity is killed when it comes to applying it to religions?

How come Islam threatens torture and death if you blaspheme on Allah or his prophet.

The minds have been held far too long into absurdities by faith, it is time to let the nudging attempts of your reason to break free and let the questions cultivate.

To me personally i would rather base my confidence on reason, consistent logic, systematic deductions and evidence than base it on faith.

Faith to me is a dishonest position that involves emotionally clutching to a stoic conviction of an assertion that is postulated against reason which also needs to be defended against reason.

If just like the sun is not believed by faith, anything needs to be believed by faith( whether is is true or not) and not evidence then it is not worth believing in the first place.[/b]

demolagilbert:
You're an intelligent fella..I'll give you that. Not gonna write a long epistle, and this is not a rebuttal.

But even science and ur intellect are inspired and driven by a force.

Science has offered a lot of explanations for quite a number of things but i can tell you that the greater percentage of erstwhile intangible things, occurrences in the world today can never be explained by science. To Reason is vital, and i employ it and that is why i cannot be deluded by religion.

I believe i have a life and a purpose and a direction and a maker guiding me thru it all. Not a pastor, not a priest, not my family, none of that.

In my brief journey in life so far i have hd experiences that leave me in no doubt at all that my GOD exists. Every man must chose his own path and what he will stand for, and i have chosen that, and i live that.

GOD is not remotely any of the things you highlighted here.

He is GOD! Everything and everywhere and he doesn't need praise or acknowledgement, or approval to function. I praise him not because he demands or bullies me to, but because he deserves it, he is worthy of it. My decision to praise or not to praise doesn't make him any more GOD or any less GOD. He doesn't arm-twist or threaten or wreak havoc to make a point. He is all-powerful, all knowing, all perfect. He has no enemy, he cant because he is all-powerful. Satan is not an enemy of GOD, he is enemy to the children of GOD. I would say GOD has given us all the choice and liberty to be whatever, do whatever and believe whatever. It neither diminishes not increases what he IS. The way i see it, as we all go thru life and it's experiences,

we can live like we hv a powerful maker charting a course for us and knowing he is there all the way,

OR we could rely on our wisdom, experiences and understanding in life's journey, OR we could live life being flat out evil and antagonistic to all that is good, in other words in satan's camp. In the end, WE make that choice. I know i have made mine.

demolagilbert:
I am a scientist by all means, and yet i still maintain that despite the giant strides we have made in science, a great percentage of phenomena defy explanation.

Till today despite that we have studied the blood and know virtually all that there is to know about it, science still cannot make blood.....and dats even citing something as comprehensible as blood.

How can science explain how a simple pituitary gland controls the entire body without fail from birth till death. The pituitary gland is so amazing it know what your body needs, or even what you want to think or feel before hand..

how can science explain how the most complex machine known as the brain came into being from series of simple cell divisions.

Look at it critically, and you will find that from the very simple to the very complex, even the strides of science are still small fragments of a much much bigger picture. Science is great but it is limited.

That's my take. As per my life's experiences, i would know better. I don't need to over-flog that. Burning of flesh? Lets be specific, we'r talkin animal flesh. None of all the numerous rites conducted during that foregone era are of any relevance in our time. A heartfelt prayer more than suffices.

And if you look at it critically right from the start, GOD never got it wrong, Man did and always has. Tell a child not to touch a flame n you can bet he/she will.. n only learn from the burn that will follow. It's inherent. I wont bother going into the doctrines,

commandments, rites or comparative analysis of Old vs. New testament ish..none of that. There's a saying that if you dont stand for something, you fall for anything. My stand? I go about my daily bizniz whilst recognizing that force that flung the sun to burn in space,

that painted the night skies with stars,

that did not cause my stomach to be disintegrated by the same acid it produces. And he doesnt need me, nor my dad, or mum, or any future kids i might have to be GOD. He just IS. I KNOW i need him, i choose to believe he is the source of all i am and have, and all that i will be and will have.

menesheh:
Questioning the implausibilities 2


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