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Psalms 140:10 Let burning coals fall upon them: let them be cast into the fire; into deep pits, that they rise not up again.

Isaiah 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who amongus shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

Isaiah 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

Matthew 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Matthew 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Matthew 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Matthew 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 13:50 And shall cast them into the
furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

Matthew 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

Mark 9:46 Where their worm dieth not, and the
fire is not quenched.

Luke 3:9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.Mark 9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

Mark 9:48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Luke 3:17 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.

John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

2 Thessalonians 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

James 3:6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

James 5:3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Jude 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

solite3:
since your faith is base on sensual experience, have you seen God? Have you heard the voice of God? Keep following the Antichrist. Repent and believe in Jesus. Hell or hell fire is real. It is not a place of rest.
You asked me if I believe matt 10:28 of cos YES.
I know you don't believe God or Jesus, just deceiving yourselves!

Jozzy4:


If u do, why are u scared to answer the question it raised : do you agree with the text u quote that the body also go to Hellfire ?

brocab:
Solite isn't scared, it is you who is terrified, you will be even more terrified if you don't turn your ways and come follow after Christ.

brocab:
Solite isn't scared, it is you who is terrified, you will be even more terrified if you don't turn your ways and come follow after Christ.
It amazes me, how you JW's think, you can't believe spirits travel too and fro, and you don't believe in {Luke 16:22-26} where it says both died and was buried, leaving you with a huge question mark? Then who is in Hades, and who's with Abraham?
The JW's theory is 'no-one is in either-because the JW's believe the scripture is a miss-print.

Jozzy4:


My question to you is still pending , does a spirit have tongue ?

Kindly answer that and let's verify your proof that spirits go to hell .

Jozzy4:



According to the scripture , spirit/breath of man return to where ? To God or to Hell .


Am asking you once again , does a spirit have tongue , which is a fleshly body part ?

brocab:
Well you believe Michael the archangel is Jesus, and God made angels spirits, and you believe Jesus was resurrected and came back to His disciples in the Spirit, so what is your answer to this-Jesus must of had a tongue He did speak-and He ate, and He drank.
And maybe since you have all the answers, why not share a little light on the subject, and tell us, was the rich man's flesh alive in Hades burning in torment, or did He die as the scriptures told us he died, so if the rich man died, then who was left in Hades?

brocab:
Do you have a tongue?

Jozzy4:


According to the scripture , spirit/breath of man return to where ? To God or to Hell .


Am asking you once again , does a spirit have tongue , which is a fleshly body part ?

Jozzy4:


Don't sound like a broken record by replying question with question.

Does a spirit have tongue , a fleshly body part ?

Jozzy4:


Don't sound like a broken record by replying question with question.

Does a spirit have tongue , a fleshly body part ?

johnw74:


lie lie dolphinheart


what a phony

dolphinheart:
"it has been established that God and Jesus are two different persons, there if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."




god is two persons in one!, a two headed god!."

Ha ha phony, they are exactly the same, when you lied - denied saying it, I quoted your whole sentence showing that you did indeed say it

and this one:
" dolphinheart said that god and the word" is a two headed god"

is true, your sentence above is saying that God and the Word is "a two headed god", your lying and twisting of words doesn't change that at all





Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

the OP was about John 1:1 and the Word being God

lie lie dolphinheart referred to the God of John 1:1 as being "a two headed god"

dolphinheart:
"it has been established that God and Jesus are two different persons, there if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."



God and the Word is God, dolphinheart called God, "a two headed god'


you way heap big lie lie dolphinheart, and worse, you blaspheme God

brocab:
I really don't how your mind works, I don't think you know either. How does {Matthew 10:28} line up with [Luke 16:22-26}

brocab:
If Spirits have fleshly body parts, he wouldn't be a Spirit.


God is a Spirit and He can Speak-the Holy Spirit speaks, Moses on the mount spoke in Spirit to Jesus.
So if your question is can a Spirit speak, Yes they can. Look at the angels they speak.

Jozzy4:


so dull, who ask whether they speak,

@ bold , you just proved the man in Jesus parable ain't an immaterial spirit. which means you lied to dolphin heart and everyone

As strange as it sounds, you don't even believe in Hell, but you are willing to use this scripture to use Hell as your tool to try and prove your theory, for what reason who knows

dolphinheart:

you are always trying to change the issues
did you not say only spirits go to heLl?
you are very much afraid to quote matt 10:28 and tell the whole world , what you understand their.
King James Version
Mt 10:28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

your so called brother has quoted a verse that shows all your explanations that that it's the rich man's spirit that went to hell to be false. such theories can only come up when you do not read the scriptures.
solite3, do you believe only man's spirit goes to hell?, I don't think so (pls notice if he will answer)
Johnw74, do you you believe that jesus is same person as the father?, I don't think so(pls also notice if he will answer)

they have different beliefs, yet they are brothers as long as their different beliefs is different from that of a jehovahs witness.

you guys can see that im right when I said that brocab will not respond to our discussion on where the spirit goes at death.

brocab:
Am I really hearing this from you? Because I said if a Spirit had Fleshly parts, He wouldn't be a Spirit.
But with common sense flesh is flesh and Spirit is Spirit if a Spirit had all Spiritual parts He would be a Spirit, and if the flesh had all fleshly parts he would be flesh.
Don't you not know flesh and blood can-not enter into the Spirit of God {1 Corinthians 15:50} The flesh can-not please God, but the Spirit can, and the Spirit will enter into Hades too, Jesus went into the pits to pick up the keys of death and Hades.
Don't we all love the way you try to twist things around, If a Spirit has a Spiritual tongue and we have a fleshly tongue, how does it prove your silly theory?
You asked a Question does a Spirit have a fleshly tongue, and I answered it correctly, and who knows how you think? Matter of fact, I believe a child at a very young age, would know the differences, between the two.
Because I said the Rich man spoke to Abraham in Spirit, it doesn't prove I am lying, The rich man died and after he had died he spoke to Abraham to send Lazarus to give him water to put on the tip of his tongue-So your evidence doesn't count, this just proves you have tried to twist my words by lying to the public.
Because you have still refused to listen to the truth about the word of God, and if Jesus tells this story about the rich man, then Jesus has a good reason why He is telling this story, and without you understanding this scripture, and you not having any knowledge, I believe it frightens you to think {Luke 16:22-26} Says it all, as it sounds, and the rich man and Lazarus died, and they both ended up separately, across from each other, either burning for eternity with your Father, Or living for God for eternity.
What your problem is, you have never seen the Spirit realm, you have never felt the unknowing, a present around you, I don't even believe you have never heard God's voice, nor from His messengers.
Which of course this leaves you dumb founded.
The bible is so clear, when it talks about the angels looking like men as God's messengers, did you know we wrestle against the principalities and the darkness of the world. Meaning we wrestle against your Father the devil of old.
Jozzy4 No one is interested in your rubbish nor are we interested with your lies. If you aren't willing to speak any truth about the Word of God, then remove your tongue from your mouth and shut up.

brocab:
Am I really hearing this from you? Because I said if a Spirit had Fleshly parts, He wouldn't be a Spirit.
But with common sense flesh is flesh and Spirit is Spirit if a Spirit had all Spiritual parts He would be a Spirit, and if the flesh had all fleshly parts he would be flesh.
Don't you not know flesh and blood can-not enter into the Spirit of God {1 Corinthians 15:50} The flesh can-not please God, but the Spirit can, and the Spirit will enter into Hades too, Jesus went into the pits to pick up the keys of death and Hades.
Don't we all love the way you try to twist things around, [size=26] If a Spirit has a Spiritual tongue [/size] and we have a fleshly tongue, how does it prove your silly theory?
You asked a Question does a Spirit have a fleshly tongue, and I answered it correctly, and who knows how you think? Matter of fact, I believe a child at a very young age, would know the differences, between the two.
Because I said the Rich man spoke to Abraham in Spirit, it doesn't prove I am lying, The rich man died and after he had died he spoke to Abraham to send Lazarus to give him water to put on the tip of his tongue-So your evidence doesn't count, this just proves you have tried to twist my words by lying to the public.
Because you have still refused to listen to the truth about the word of God, and if Jesus tells this story about the rich man, then Jesus has a good reason why He is telling this story, and without you understanding this scripture, and you not having any knowledge, I believe it frightens you to think {Luke 16:22-26} Says it all, as it sounds, and the rich man and Lazarus died, and they both ended up separately, across from each other, either burning for eternity with your Father, Or living for God for eternity.
What your problem is, you have never seen the Spirit realm, you have never felt the unknowing, a present around you, I don't even believe you have never heard God's voice, nor from His messengers.
Which of course this leaves you dumb founded.
The bible is so clear, when it talks about the angels looking like men as God's messengers, did you know we wrestle against the principalities and the darkness of the world. Meaning we wrestle against your Father the devil of old.
Jozzy4 No one is interested in your rubbish nor are we interested with your lies. If you aren't willing to speak any truth about the Word of God, then remove your tongue from your mouth and shut up.

OMG@ bold ! spiritual tongue
, what about the fire ? spiritual fire too ; D , spiritual Water , Spiritual Finger . mehn , religion is crazy.

so the whole story has a spiritual meaning after all , not to be taken literal anymore ?

brocab:
Am I really hearing this from you? Because I said if a Spirit had Fleshly parts, He wouldn't be a Spirit.
But with common sense flesh is flesh and Spirit is Spirit if a Spirit had all Spiritual parts He would be a Spirit, and if the flesh had all fleshly parts he would be flesh.
Don't you not know flesh and blood can-not enter into the Spirit of God {1 Corinthians 15:50} The flesh can-not please God, but the Spirit can, and the Spirit will enter into Hades too, Jesus went into the pits to pick up the keys of death and Hades.
Don't we all love the way you try to twist things around, [size=26] If a Spirit has a Spiritual tongue [/size] and we have a fleshly tongue, how does it prove your silly theory?
You asked a Question does a Spirit have a fleshly tongue, and I answered it correctly, and who knows how you think? Matter of fact, I believe a child at a very young age, would know the differences, between the two.
Because I said the Rich man spoke to Abraham in Spirit, it doesn't prove I am lying, The rich man died and after he had died he spoke to Abraham to send Lazarus to give him water to put on the tip of his tongue-So your evidence doesn't count, this just proves you have tried to twist my words by lying to the public.
Because you have still refused to listen to the truth about the word of God, and if Jesus tells this story about the rich man, then Jesus has a good reason why He is telling this story, and without you understanding this scripture, and you not having any knowledge, I believe it frightens you to think {Luke 16:22-26} Says it all, as it sounds, and the rich man and Lazarus died, and they both ended up separately, across from each other, either burning for eternity with your Father, Or living for God for eternity.
What your problem is, you have never seen the Spirit realm, you have never felt the unknowing, a present around you, I don't even believe you have never heard God's voice, nor from His messengers.
Which of course this leaves you dumb founded.
The bible is so clear, when it talks about the angels looking like men as God's messengers, did you know we wrestle against the principalities and the darkness of the world. Meaning we wrestle against your Father the devil of old.
Jozzy4 No one is interested in your rubbish nor are we interested with your lies. If you aren't willing to speak any truth about the Word of God, then remove your tongue from your mouth and shut up.

OMG@ bold ! spiritual tongue
, what about the fire ? spiritual fire too ; D , spiritual Water , Spiritual Finger . mehn , false religion is crazy.

so the whole story has a spiritual meaning after all , not to be taken literal anymore ?

Jessicha:




OMG@ bold ! spiritual tongue
, what about the fire ? spiritual fire too , spiritual Water , Spiritual Finger . mehn , false religion is crazy.

so the whole story has a spiritual meaning after all , not to be taken literal anymore ?

brocab:
If you are looking for some kind of an argument at least back it up with scriptures that matches {Matthew 19:28} because it is pointless trying to prove your point, without any back up.

But it seems you have laid down the law with {Luke 16:22-26} and it seems you believe the rich man and Lazarus was alive and well, when they both entered into Hades talking with each other across the lake of fire

Maybe you don't understand the meaning of death, when the bible said they both died, and was buried, and maybe you believe, how can one ask for water when one is dead. {You are dead in Spirit and you seem to drink water}

Well if you had listened in the first place, and if you had knowing the truth how the bible is written, I wouldn't be wasting my time with everybody else trying to explain it to you, all the time.
This is what I like about you dolphinheart you take one scripture out from the pile, and you think that one, answers all your questions? Well it doesn't.
It shows, like every other time, you still don't understand the scriptures, like {Matthew 19:28} Clearly enough to know what this scriptures about and why does God say don't fear Man because they can only kill the body, but they can't kill the soul, but fear God He can Kill the body and our souls, in Hell.

As strange as it sounds, you don't even believe in Hell, but you are willing to use this scripture to use Hell as your tool to try and prove your theory, for what reason who knows

When someone follows after the bible dolphinheart we usually back it up with the following, but {Luke 16:22-26} God didn't kill the body and soul, matter of fact He had used Luke as a example, letting us know, we have a choice. We can end up in torment burning with fire in Hades, or we can end up with Christ and live in paradise with Him for eternity.

{Revelation 20:7-10.13} Death means a separation of existence from the body, not non existence, even the souls in Hades are put back into their resurrected bodies, to be judged for their works. Not only are they alive in Hades in the Spirit, they are also alive in Heaven {Revelation 6:9} tells us the souls of the dead saints cry to the Lord, to be avenged.

Jessicha:




OMG@ bold ! spiritual tongue
, what about the fire ? spiritual fire too ; D , spiritual Water , Spiritual Finger . mehn , religion is crazy.

so the whole story has a spiritual meaning after all , not to be taken literal anymore ?

Jessicha:




OMG@ bold ! spiritual tongue
, what about the fire ? spiritual fire too ; D , spiritual Water , Spiritual Finger . mehn , religion is crazy.

so the whole story has a spiritual meaning after all , not to be taken literal anymore ?

dolphinheart:


I did not quote matthew 19:28 to you , unless you want to use that verse to show me that only spirit go to heLL.
Imy not arguing with you, I've already shown you that spirits don't go to heLl. I've also disected your explanations and I've shown you how false it is. You prefer to always add things to gods word, it did not , in any verse, ever tell you that spirits go to hell. The theory of spirits going to hell was formulated after realising that the false teachings about hell cannot stand without such fomuLation.
I know you and your runaway tactics, that's why I said you will not respond to that post.


fomulating false beliefs for me will not cover your false teachings sir!


are we talking about death? no , we are talking about where the soul, spirit and body goes to when one dies. You have failed to use the scriptures to tell us where the spirit goes at death, even when you quoted the scriptures that told you what happens to the spirit at death, you prefer to change it , not believing what the scripture said, preferring to manipulate those words.
up till now , even after several times of reminding you, you refuse to tell where the body and soul goes at dead, using the scriptures to tell us will greatly affect your false doctrine, so you refused to answer that part of the question.


this is a clear example that you don't read the scriptures you mention. what does matthew 19:28 have to do with God Killing the body and soul in heLl?



you are a very funny man, I would have told you my beliefs about hell, but it will divert from the issue at hand, something you badly want to do.
I will stick to the issue at hand. you say only spirits go to hell and refuse to tell us where the soul and body goes!, the scriptures posted by your so called brother has proved your belief to be false!



are you trying to prove jesus words wrong about killing body and soul?, or are you trying to say god will not kill any body and soul ?, choose your answer carefully.


even though your statement are full of false teachings, I'll just bring out the one relevant to the issue at hand. your own words have shown your teachings to be false about only spirits going to hell.

" even the souls in Hades are put back into their resurrected bodies"


maybe your next move is to now claim that Hades is different from hell, that spirits go to hell and souls go to Hades!.

dolphinheart:

continue with your desperate attempt to explain my own words, I don't mind, sincere ones will see through your folly.

dolphinheart:


months now Ive asked you to a least once, just show the world the full text of that post, you refuse to.

dolphinheart:


I've asked you to show the world where you responded to my explanation on the scriptures you mentioned, you refused to

dolphinheart:


You have a right to believe anything, ive shown your accusation to be false, it came out of deliberate manipulation of my words and can only be sustained if you believe what it means is different from what the originator of those words believe it means.

dolphinheart:


everyone again pls note
1. I never called god and the word a two headed god

dolphinheart:


2. I never called god a two headed god

dolphinheart:


3. you can notice he is always trying to avoid the part that says "your god is two persons in one".
only If he can be confident enough to post the full text of my post, but he will come up with some excuse.

Jessicha:


the funniest thing about the underlined is that the ressurection hasn't occur yet. just contradicting himself here and there

Jessicha:




OMG@ bold ! spiritual tongue
, what about the fire ? spiritual fire too ; D , spiritual Water , Spiritual Finger . mehn , false religion is crazy.

so the whole story has a spiritual meaning after all , not to be taken literal anymore ?

Jessicha:


the funniest thing about this dolphinheart i have read the story luke 16 and its true the bible does give us a choice the fact is i do see what brocab say, it make sense, dolphinheart you is contradicting yourself here and there, you lie to me, and us

dolphinheart:


I did not quote matthew 19:28 to you , unless you want to use that verse to show me that only spirit go to heLL.
Imy not arguing with you, I've already shown you that spirits don't go to heLl. I've also disected your explanations and I've shown you how false it is. You prefer to always add things to gods word, it did not , in any verse, ever tell you that spirits go to hell. The theory of spirits going to hell was formulated after realising that the false teachings about hell cannot stand without such fomuLation.
I know you and your runaway tactics, that's why I said you will not respond to that post.


fomulating false beliefs for me will not cover your false teachings sir!


are we talking about death? no , we are talking about where the soul, spirit and body goes to when one dies. You have failed to use the scriptures to tell us where the spirit goes at death, even when you quoted the scriptures that told you what happens to the spirit at death, you prefer to change it , not believing what the scripture said, preferring to manipulate those words.
up till now , even after several times of reminding you, you refuse to tell where the body and soul goes at dead, using the scriptures to tell us will greatly affect your false doctrine, so you refused to answer that part of the question.


this is a clear example that you don't read the scriptures you mention. what does matthew 19:28 have to do with God Killing the body and soul in heLl?



you are a very funny man, I would have told you my beliefs about hell, but it will divert from the issue at hand, something you badly want to do.
I will stick to the issue at hand. you say only spirits go to hell and refuse to tell us where the soul and body goes!, the scriptures posted by your so called brother has proved your belief to be false!



are you trying to prove jesus words wrong about killing body and soul?, or are you trying to say god will not kill any body and soul ?, choose your answer carefully.


even though your statement are full of false teachings, I'll just bring out the one relevant to the issue at hand. your own words have shown your teachings to be false about only spirits going to hell.
" even the souls in Hades are put back into their resurrected bodies"

maybe your next move is to now claim that Hades is different from hell, that spirits go to hell and souls go to Hades!.