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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 1:16pm On Jul 21, 2016 |
solite3:silence? what silence? Jesus himself said he had flesh and bones which which spirits do not have ,Jesus grave is still empty till todaysir, I did ask you to quote the verse na, all you did is to change your words from jess said he is not a spirit to jesus said he had flesh and bones which spirits do not have. who told you spirits cannot have flesh and bones sir? U quote verses upside down and then use it for argument1.you could not even quote any, both the one you said I read and the one you said I did not read. 2. you could not even show how it exposes me. 3. you could not even try to explain those verses 4. I never quoted 2 peter 3:18 on these issue to you, I quoted 1 peter 3: 18 which says : 1Pe 3:18For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit. As for 1 cor 15:50 did Jesus tell you he was flesh and blood?not jesus did not tell me he was flesh and blood when he ascended to heaven, this is what the disciples said about inheriting gods kingdom: 1Co 15:50But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit incorruption[/u] 1 cor 15:45 is clearly distinguishing the kind of spirit Christ has. Christ has both spirit and body just like Adam but Christ is a life giving spirit but Adam is just a living soul.you are wrong sir!, it does not distinguish the kind of spirit jesus had let's look at the verse again: 1Co 15:45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving SPIRIT. from the book of genesis, we know how the first Adam became a living soul. King James Version Ge 2:7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. this verse says the last adam(jesus) became a life giving spirit!, the word "became" , tells us what jesus Christ is . He is a life giving spirit, a spirit that could give life, it does not mean he had a spirit that could give life. When God resurrected jesus, he resurrected him as a spirit( which he was before), and this spirit has the power to give life!. jesus was a spirit before becoming flesh, and became a spirit after giving that flesh as a ransom sacrifice for us,he could not have taken it back after giving it on our behalf! Read this verses : [b]1Co 15:35Nevertheless, someone will say: “How are the dead to be raised up? Yes, with what sort of body are they coming?” 1Co 15:36You unreasonable person! What you sow is not made alive unless first it dies. 1Co 15:37And as for what you sow, you sow, not the body that will develop, but just a bare grain, whether of wheat or of some other kind of seed; 1Co 15:38 but God gives it a body just as it has pleased him, and gives to each of the seeds its own body. 1Co 15:40And there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort. 1Co 15:42So it is with the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised up in incorruption. 1Co 15:44 It is sown a physical body; it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. 1Co 15:47 The first man is from the earth and made of dust; the second man is from heaven. 1Co 15:48Like the one made of dust, so too are those made of dust; and like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly. 1Co 15:49And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we will bear also the image of the heavenly one. sir, you cannot take your flesh and blood to heaven! The spirit of Christ is the quickening spirit read romans 8:11Ro 8:11If, now, the spirit of him who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also make your mortal bodies alive through his spirit that resides in you. what you said is different from what the verse said . plso tell 1. who or what is "the spirit of him that/who raised jesus from the dead! 2.who is the one who raised up Christ from the dead cus it's this one that owns or has the spirit that will make our mortal bodies alive. 3. is this verse talking about resurrection? Readers can see that the spirit that raised up Jesus from the dead is also the quickening spirit that will raise the believers.now will those believers be able to give life too? no , jesus is a life giving spirit, not a flesh and gone with a spirit that can give life! Paul refers to Christ as a quickening spirit cause Christ is the spirit that gives life but it does not mean Christ does not have a body.sure Christ has a body, a spirit one!, Christ is a spirit that can give life! Readers should note that some of Paul's words may be hard to understand which peter also confirms.haha!, it's you that's finding it hard to twist his words!. adam became a living soul, jesus became a life giving spirit! simple! The best way to understand Paul is to look at what Jesus said but Jehovah witnesses refuse while twisting Paul's words same thing they do with other verses.that verse is referring to you, who is trying to twist Paul's words. lemme ask you, those who will be resurrected to heaven, what will they be resurrected as, flesh and blood or spirit creatures? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 1:25pm On Jul 21, 2016 |
brocab:brocab, pls tell us, what goes to he'll fire, the spirit, the body, the soul, two of them or all three? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Barristter07: 2:36pm On Jul 21, 2016 |
johnw74 johnw74: Cry baby , you still can't differentiate between a statement and a quote ! hehehehe . . and with all your education, you are yet to know a misquote doesnt occur without a quote of the person in question . mis- QUOTE ! so where is the quote ( " " ) I misquoted ? none ! its much fun reading your post here . keep it coming ! |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Barristter07: 2:46pm On Jul 21, 2016 |
johnw74 johnw74: You can't twist anything here , there is no such thing as one God mentioned at john 1:1 , I have gave you a solid evidence at 1 Corinthians 8:6 where the One God is mentioned. show me the underlined in the Bible ? " one God " must appear . or you lack such evidence ? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:44am On Jul 22, 2016 |
The spirit will do! The words I said is hell fire, not he'll fire. dolphinheart: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:03am On Jul 22, 2016 |
You complain John74 is twisting the scriptures-how can he be? because {1 Corinthians 8:6} says it as it sounds-Yet but for us there is but One God the Father from whom all things came, and for whom we live; and there is but One Lord Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. So which is it? Through whom we live, Jesus or God? Or both? Don't forget there is only One God.. Barristter07: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 2:31am On Jul 22, 2016 |
Barristter07: it's a weird fella that thinks it's fun to be shown up for his lies all the time but you just lie lying again here's some more of your lies, which twisting and playing on words is lie lie barristter you continue to twist and play with words and grammar and all to avoid that you lied about what Jesus said you lie lie, misquoted Jesus you gave book chapter and verse to Jesus quote and then misquoted Him so as to get a diffrent meaning to what Jesus said Jesus: "the only true God" lie lie barristter: "ONLY the Father is the true God" our Lord Jesus Christ never taught "ONLY the Father is the true God" as you lied of Him Christians know the Word is also that one true God: Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. you lie lie barristter misquoted Jesus, you lied about what Jesus said such a big lie lie post after post |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 2:58am On Jul 22, 2016 |
Barristter07: lie lie barristter duh, so unbelievable John 1:1 tells that God and the Word is God John is ofcourse talking off the one true God lie lie or do you think John is saying God and the Word was some god, other than the one true God there is only one God lie lie, one true God that is, and I needed to add - clarify that to such a twister of words - to such a lie lie Jas_2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. you lie lie so blind: 2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. you so wrong many times in your every post |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 3:03am On Jul 22, 2016 |
brocab: bro it's amazing how false jw hate the truth they have some knowledge, but of the wrong kind they are told what to believe and what even to say some people call that kind: zombies 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Nobody: 4:38am On Jul 22, 2016 |
author=dolphinheart post=47753279] silence? what silence? sir, I did ask you to quote the verse na, all you did is to change your words fromhow did change my words? Hahaha u now agreed that Jesus has flesh and bones now! Ah is it I that said spirits do not have flesh and bones? @ cancelled if spirits has flesh and bones can you call them spirits? So Jesus was lying when he said spirits do not have flesh and bones 1.you could not even quote any, both the one you said I read and the one you said I did not read.busted Look at what the bible says 1peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but [i]quickened by the spirit[ @ bold did you spot the difference not jesus did not tell me he was flesh and bloodgood when he ascended to heaven, this is what the disciples said about inheriting gods kingdom:you are DEAD IN SPIRIT DOLPHINSHEART! YOU HEAR ME? DEAD I SAY For the same of readers Why did Paul refer to Jesus as a life giving spirit? First of all consider what Jesus said in John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. And also read John1:4 In him was life and the life was the light of men John11:25 I am the resurrection and the life; he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live. In 1cor 15:45 Paul referring to Christ's own spiritual attribute as a life giving spirit For example Paul says Christians are seated with Christ in the heavenlies. Do we now take it to mean Christians are already in heaven? Obviously no! So looking beyond the letter and understanding the spirit of it, is the key to understanding the bible. For the letter killeth but the spirit gives life Paul was obviously comparing the spiritual attributes of Christ to that of Adam while Adam was just a living soul Christ is a life giving spirit this does not in anyway mean Christ was resurrected as a spirit for even while Jesus was on earth he expressed his ability to give life showing the type of spirit he is. Christ was both spirit and body! But it is the spirit of Christ that gives life When God resurrected jesus, he resurrected him as a spirit( which he was before), and this spirit has the power to give life!. jesus was a spirit before becoming flesh, and became a spirit afterLuke24:37-39 37. But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. 38. And he said unto them, why are ye troubled? And why do thoughts arise in your hearts? 39. Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. But lie lie dolphinsheart says Jesus was a spirit Its either you believe Jesus words or not! Again you said it was Jesus flesh that was the ransom But look at what Jesus said in Luke14:24 that his blood is the new testament. Again in the bible the blood is life of animal and the law states that life must be for life and without sharing of blood there is no forgiveness. The blood of Christ poured out is what must go for life to return to man not his flesh. That's y Jesus resurrected with flesh and bones. Read this verses :what I said is only different from what the verse says because you lack comprehension now will those believers be able to give life too? no , jesus is a life giving spirit, not a flesh and gone with a spirit that can give life! sure Christ has a body, a@ bold thank God you know @ cancelled spirit do not have bodies [s]haha!, it's you that's finding it hard to twist his words![/s]. adam became a living soul, jesus became a life giving spirit! simple! [s]that verse is referring to you, who is trying to twist Paul's words.[/s]which one is those going to heaven? All Christians are going to heaven. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jozzy4: 5:45am On Jul 22, 2016 |
brocab: open your eyes , according to 1 Corinthians 8:6 , who is the One God ? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jozzy4: 5:55am On Jul 22, 2016 |
johnw74: you are stammering, the phrase " ONE GOD " doesn't appear at john 1:1 in other words , there is nowhere the scripture says " the one God is the Father and son " . keep searching , u might find it but there is strong evidence that the scripture said the " for us , there is one God , the Father " . 1 Cor 8:6 , for us true Christians that's what we believe , without adding to it . and false Christians like you can't support your own one God , father + son theory with scripture. the scripture says One God , the Father . not one God , father + son see where pride and false teaching is leading you. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jozzy4: 5:57am On Jul 22, 2016 |
johnw74: show me where the bible said " One God , the Father AND SON " ? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 8:09am On Jul 22, 2016 |
Jozzy4: duh false jw, true Christians don't habitually lie as false jw's do, you so deceived all I will say to that babble confusion is you have no comprehension of what is said at all and no understanding at all of the scriptures duh joz |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 8:15am On Jul 22, 2016 |
Jozzy4: false jw, I explained it and you can neither comprehend it or understand the Bible, which is of course understandable, the fallen angels at witchpower headquarters tell your elders, and your elders tell you what to believe |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 9:05am On Jul 22, 2016 |
Jozzy4: bro told you and you couldn't comprehend I will put it another way and of course you again will not comprehend 1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1Co 8:6 tells us that there is but one God the Father John 1:1 tells us that the Word is also that one God you say John 1:1 doesn't say "one" God and so to you He apparently is not the one true God that the Word was with in the beginning it just once again shows you have no understanding of the Bible truly John was referring to the Word being with the same one God that 1 Cor 8:6 talks off and John goes on to say that the Word was not just with that one true God but that the Word was that one true God: Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. false jw jozzy you have no comprehension of what is said and you have no understanding of the Bible at all just like fellow false jw lie lie barristter The God that the Word was with in the beginning (John 1:1) is not the one true God, say false jw joz and barristter amazing |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jozzy4: 9:35am On Jul 22, 2016 |
johnw74: nobody ask you to tell if the Word was with God , show us where the bible called Jesus THE ONE GOD !!! ? prove it with the Bible , One God is the father and son " ? I will prove mine with the Bible , we have one God , the Father - 1 Cor 8:6 |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jozzy4: 9:37am On Jul 22, 2016 |
johnw74:you mean there is no such verse where Jesus is called The ONE GOD ? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 10:38am On Jul 22, 2016 |
Jozzy4: as I said many times, you false jw have no comprehension of things said and no understanding of the Bible |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 10:44am On Jul 22, 2016 |
Jozzy4: false jw joz I mean as I said many times, you false jw have no comprehension of things said and no understanding of the Bible and it's amazing how you like to show it but really you are so lacking that you actually think you have something yes that's right it's called delusion 2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jozzy4: 11:02am On Jul 22, 2016 |
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jozzy4: 11:10am On Jul 22, 2016 |
johnw74: Eeyah, sorry it pained you . your explanation lacks truth since the phrase " One God " didn't appear at john 1:1, YOU ADDED it and went ahead to contradict the Apostle Paul statement at 1 Corinthians 8:6 . up till now , you can't and will never produce a single scripture where Jesus is addressed as ONE GOD . none ! |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:03pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
Jozzy4: false jw jozzy you are lying there is no contradiction from me of Paul 1Cor 8:6 at all, just no understanding from you |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:06pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
Jozzy4: well lets see if you lie lie jozzy have the courage to answer this: seeing as you keep saying there is no "one God" in John 1:1 is the God of John 1:1 that the Word was with in the beginning the one true God, or is He some other God? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jozzy4: 12:44pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
johnw74: I said the phrase " one God " . use your brain when reading my posts .
Jesus himself is never the only true God and he is not the one God and Father of all. Jesus was WITH that only true God, the one God and father of all . |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 1:41pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
Jozzy4: oh that hurt telling the truth didn't it, look how angry you are ha ha, you kept saying "one god" is not in John 1:1 and now you have been forced to admit that the God of John 1:1 is indeed the one true God you lie lie jozzy kept twisting words - lying to avoid that truth wow you one big heap liar and now you deny that John 1:1 says that the Word is God Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. you such big lie lie Jesus spoke of you pharisee false jw: Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. you like satan, when he speaks a lie he is speaking naturally |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jozzy4: 3:31pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
johnw74: its because u lack basic comprehension u know , everyone knows the Father is the one known as the Only true God. and he is not Jesus !!!! so that's not the point here. the point here is , the Father is identified as the One God in the scripture - Eph 4:6, 1 Cor 6:8, now show us where Jesus is reffered to as the ONE GOD in the scripture ? without that ur father + son explanation remains FALSE and a Contradiction to Apostle Paul submission that the One God is the Father. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:55am On Jul 23, 2016 |
Jozzy4: lie lie jozzy duh false jw copycat I just got through showing you where the Word is said to be the one true God in scripture and you had to finally and angrily admit that "God" in John 1:1 is the one true God and now you lie lie are starting with your twisting, playing with words again, which is lying I showed you that the God of John 1:1 is the one true God which you had to grudgingly admit and John 1:1 say's the word also is that one true God God, is God and the Word. Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (theos, the one true God), and the Word was God (theos, the one true God). The God of John 1:1 is the one true God, which lie lie jozzy eventually was forced to admit and now lie lie jozzy starts twisting - lying again, he cannot admit to the truth for long, as a dog returns to his vomit, lie lie jozzy returns to his lies but you way big lie lie, and like lie lie barrisster and lie lie dolphinheart and apparently all false jw's from what we see her, you cannot help it, your god forbids the truth. Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. the devil speaks lies of his own, meaning the devil speaks lies naturally aren't false jw just like him |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:59am On Jul 23, 2016 |
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. deceiver antichrist false jw say "a god" came in the flesh 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:08am On Jul 23, 2016 |
I had asked a question, and of course no-JW had answered it, maybe you should open your eyes' and answer the question. Yet for us there is but One God. From whom all things came and from whom we live-Through whom all things came through whom we live. So which One is it? Jesus or God. Jozzy4: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:25am On Jul 23, 2016 |
It doesn't matter how many times we try and show them the truth about Christ, without the spirit of God-and because they feed of each other on this page, nothing that the word of God says will bring them closer to Christ. They believe how the world believes, flesh and blood is their only sauce, the JW's believe by their works it will bring them closer to God. They haven't the faith to honesty claim they know Christ. When the bible clearly tells us no-one can go to the Father without Him. When the bible tells us I and the Father are One. They believe only a few elders of 144000 will be with a god while the rest will live in peace on the new earth. They don't believe in the bible-but they do believe in a god. johnw74: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 2:01am On Jul 23, 2016 |
brocab: isn't that the truth brocab: their bad works do bring them closer to their god though brocab: and they haven't the Holy Spirit, to know the truths of God brocab: yes and He is "I am" of the old testament brocab: they told me in about the 1970's that only a few of the 144000 elders were still alive and so everything was abour to happen whatever that was to be, the coming of the Kingdom I suppose but they were giving those kind of false dates-prophecies-predictions for many decades before then brocab: yes they have "a god", this verse is Jesus talking to the pharisee's, who are todays false jw's, telling who their god is: Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 1 Like |
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