Jozzy4:



Jesus Christ will be subjected to His God and Father as stated in 1 Corinthians 15:28 , do u agreeeeeee ?

dolphinheart:

1. If you read the posts I pasted concerning jesus having same nature as God , you will see the explanations there, you where so busy making false allegations that I said Jesus and God have one nature that you did not see it, I've shown you again, and you are now actin as if it's not there!

solite3:
As a man when he is through with the work of salvation will be made subject to God

Jozzy4:


thats the point @ bold! the Son will be subjected, revealing he is not the highest authority - 1 corinthians 15:27

thank you.

1. is jesus the same person as the father?

2. If not , how can both now be the one who is, who was and who is coming?

while we wait for these answers, I'll move on to quote and explain my views on rev 1:4-6

solite3:
u are confusing Christ human nature and his divine nature Christ in his divine nature is one with the father only his humanity will be made subject

Jozzy4:


where is this written in the Bible ?

Jozzy4:


show me where the Bible said the Father and his son ARE ONE GOD?

solite3:
hmm that shows your shallowness. Philippians 2:6-7

solite3:
is it now u are waking up OK start with John 10: 30

1. do you now agree that in heaven jesus still has a God ?

2. do you know the God Jesus called "my god"

hilipians 2:6-7

" who although he was existing in Gods form, [s]gave no consideration, namely, that he should be equal to God[/s]. [b]NO , but he emptied himself and took a slaves form and came to be in the likeness of men "[/quote]

this verse speaks with reference to Jesus ministry on earth. NOT his been subjected to God in Heaven. u failed again.

Jozzy4:


[s]human nature in heaven ! Jesus still have intestine, blood, flesh, lungs, liver, male genital in heaven ?


ARE YOU OKAY[/s]?

Jozzy4:


"I and the Father are one " john 10:30


he didnt say I and the Father are ONE GOD , u failed again

dolphinheart:


oh my!

solite3:
Isaiah 42:12 English standard version
12. I made the earth and created man on it, it was my hands that stretched out heavens, and I commanded their host.
]Isaiah 45:12. Amplified Bible
12. I made the earth and created man upon it.
My hands stretched out the heavens
And I commanded all their host.


Isaiah 44:24. New world translation (NWT)
This is what Jehovah has said, your Repurchaser and the former of you from the belly.
I, Jehovah, am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the earth. Who was with me?
This verse alone completely destroys Watchtowers theology because it obliterates any notion that Jehovah used a junior partner in the act of creation. The rhetorical question" who was with me?" is "No one". This is what sets Jehovah apart

Isaiah 45:12. NWT
"I myself [ Jehovah] [/b]have made the earth and have created even man upon it. I, my own hands have stretched out the heavens, and all the army I have commanded"
Again, Jehovah emphasizes "I myself" used " my own hands". Jehovah was the lone craftsman.

Isaiah 48:13, NWT "Moreover, [b]My own hand laid the foundation of the earth, and my own right hand extended out the heavens. I am calling to them, that they may keep standing together.
This verse not only indicates that Jehovah's " Own hand" created heaven and earth, but that Jehovah is sustaining his creation as well.
When one examines New Testament verse regarding Jesus, one can see that Jesus is also credited as creator and sustainer. For example

John 1:3 NWT " All things came into existence
[color=#770077]through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence"

Col 1:16-17 NWT " ....because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordship or government or authorities. All[ other] things and by means of him all [ other] things were made to exist.[/color]
Heb 1:2. NWT " God who long ago spoke on many occasions and in many ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets, has at these end of days spoken by means of a son whom he had appointed heir of all things, through whom he made the systems of things. He is the reflection of [ his] glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power.

AS TRINITARIANS, WE DON' T DENY THAT THE FATHER MADE THE WORLD THROUGH THE SON. BUT WITH SCRIPTURE, WE AFFIRM THAT ONLY JEHOVAH CREATED.
THEREFORE, THE FATHER AND THE SON ARE BOTH JEHOVAH.


The Jw ought to give serious reflection as to what he called Jesus " THE EXACT REPRESENTATION OF [JEHOVAH'S] BEING.

Still load...ing
Dolphinsheart
Goodnews
Barrister
Jozzy
An any witness should respond to these post failure to do so will go a long way to show your bible twisting nature

solite3:
the pharisee understood what Jesus was saying. Jesus didn't deny it.

Barristter07:
solite3



you can still continue this lie.

" You can search the translations, FOR IT " johnw74

if you get mind, tell me what he implied by translations ? if its not Bible
.



am expecting your reply .

Jozzy4:

Solite3 said

" THE FATHER AND THE SON ARE BOTH JEHOVAH "

do we have two Jehovah ? emphasis on both

solite3:
As a man when he is through with the work of salvation will be made subject to God

goodnews201668:


Did you understand that portion at all?

Barristter07:

solite3



see what poor bible reading habit did to you

" God ... these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.
" Heb 1:1,2

Jessicha:


he didn't o

solite3:
Isaiah 42:12 English standard version
12. I made the earth and created man on it, it was my hands that stretched out heavens, and I commanded their host.
]Isaiah 45:12. Amplified Bible
12. I made the earth and created man upon it.
My hands stretched out the heavens
And I commanded all their host.


Isaiah 44:24. New world translation (NWT)
This is what Jehovah has said, your Repurchaser and the former of you from the belly.
I, Jehovah, am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the earth. Who was with me?
This verse alone completely destroys Watchtowers theology because it obliterates any notion that Jehovah used a junior partner in the act of creation. The rhetorical question" who was with me?" is "No one". This is what sets Jehovah apart

Isaiah 45:12. NWT
"I myself [ Jehovah] [/b]have made the earth and have created even man upon it. I, my own hands have stretched out the heavens, and all the army I have commanded"
Again, Jehovah emphasizes "I myself" used " my own hands". Jehovah was the lone craftsman.

Isaiah 48:13, NWT "Moreover, [b]My own hand laid the foundation of the earth, and my own right hand extended out the heavens. I am calling to them, that they may keep standing together.
This verse not only indicates that Jehovah's " Own hand" created heaven and earth, but that Jehovah is sustaining his creation as well.
When one examines New Testament verse regarding Jesus, one can see that Jesus is also credited as creator and sustainer. For example

John 1:3 NWT " All things came into existence
[color=#770077]through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence"

Col 1:16-17 NWT " ....because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordship or government or authorities. All[ other] things and by means of him all [ other] things were made to exist.[/color]
Heb 1:2. NWT " God who long ago spoke on many occasions and in many ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets, has at these end of days spoken by means of a son whom he had appointed heir of all things, through whom he made the systems of things. He is the reflection of [ his] glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power.

AS TRINITARIANS, WE DON' T DENY THAT THE FATHER MADE THE WORLD THROUGH THE SON. BUT WITH SCRIPTURE, WE AFFIRM THAT ONLY JEHOVAH CREATED.
THEREFORE, THE FATHER AND THE SON ARE BOTH JEHOVAH.


The Jw ought to give serious reflection as to what he called Jesus " THE EXACT REPRESENTATION OF [JEHOVAH'S] BEING.

Still load...ing
Dolphinsheart
Goodnews
Barrister
Jozzy
An any witness should respond to these post failure to do so will go a long way to show your bible twisting nature