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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Nobody: 2:04pm On May 25, 2016 |
dolphinheart:first of all I am not sure you understood what the post was all about. Let me give you a brief explanation while you go back and read. The book of revelation is the most difficult text to translate. Why? I. There are only few manuscript available ii. Most of these manuscript are incomplete iii. the late canonisation of revelation may be due to it's early corruption iv. The church fathers may have possess the authentic one which was also used by the textus receptus v.the so called early manuscripts have been proven to have variants. vi. Modern translations just follow this so called early manuscript only because they are "early" not mining if it was inspired or not vii. There is high probability that these early manuscripts were not genuine but these modern translations rush to use them because they want to be different from the KJV and because they want to make money Let me stop here KJV still remains the best translation quote me any where As for your allegations, they are just allegations I m not saying kjv is 100% perfect but 98% sure 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Nobody: 2:33pm On May 25, 2016 |
dolphinheart:hey hypocrite have you answered my questions? Here they are again 1. What do you mean by Jesus has same nature as God show me where you explained 2.Do you agree that the father called Jesus God? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 4:22pm On May 25, 2016 |
solite3: I do understand what the post was about, it's from a Web page that tried to give surr port to the Textus Receptus by undermining older manuscripts and texts. It feels that the best way to defend it's own established flaws is to attack the perceived flaws of the manuscripts it deferred from. Let me give you a brief explanation while you go back and read.fortunately we are discussing about rev 1:11 and the addition of " Alpha and omega" and not about the book of revelation. so far, you have just tried to discredit older manuscripts , but you have failed to show how the Textus Receptus came about the word "Alpha and omega" found in rev 1:11 even in your attempt to discredit those manuscripts, you could not discredit there record of rev 1:11. You believe that making a general reference to perceived flaws in them will affect the credibility of that verse, but I can bet you will balk at it if the same method you are trying to use is used for the Textus Receptus. let's even use it: it is generally believed that the Textus Receptus contained a lot of flaws, flaws that it's author even acknowledged. This proves that the textus Receptus is flawed when it added "Alpha and omega to revelation 1:11! ii. Most of these manuscript are incompleteDoes the few that have rev 1:11 in them include the words "Alpha and omega", if so, which one!? iii. the late canonisation of revelation may be due to it's early corruption I thought you have done the research , why are you still dealing in assumptions and allegations? is the late canonisation of the book of Revelation caused by its early corruption? answer and add proof. is rev 1:11 currupted in the earliest manuscripts? iv. The church fathers may have possess the authentic one which was also used by the textus receptusanother explanation based on assumptions . The earlier manuscripts that had rev 1:11, are hundreds of years older than the one in the hands of the church fathers, who had already decided that trinity is part of their doctrines. do you realise that one of the proven allegations about Erasmus texts is the inclusion of words which are not part of the original texts, which are written in margins by the copyist into the original texts to make it look as if the original writer put it THERE? moreover, you have failed to tell us this manuscript that is in possession of these church fathers, that the Textus Receptus copied rev 1:11 from! v.the so called early manuscripts have been proven to have variants.good, give us one example of the variants of rev 1:11 since you have proven to have variants. vi. Modern translations just follow this so called early manuscript only because they are "early" not mining if it was inspired or not you and allegations sha! pls let's deal with facts naw!, how can you now be saying you have facts when all you do is talk about allegations! Let me stop here pls dnt stop, pls tell us how the Textus Receptus come about the words it added to rev 1:11, ""Alpha and omega". where did it get it from? 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by goodnews201668: 4:57pm On May 25, 2016 |
brocab: Yes I do. As far as I am alive! |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by goodnews201668: 5:01pm On May 25, 2016 |
brocab: Which believers? You that said son is also the father, even when you see clearly that they are separate individuals and that the son subject to the father. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by goodnews201668: 5:02pm On May 25, 2016 |
brocab: You are free to see whatever u like, no wonder! |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 5:07pm On May 25, 2016 |
solite3:I view this as another attempt to divert attention from the fact that you and brocab cannot answer some questions. You have totally ignored the fact that you lied against me when you claimed I made a statement relating to Jesus having one nature with God . You have asked me to point to where I explained my words, I did so. You say that's not enough that I should repost them, I did that now you are still repeating that I should show you where I explained, all this while refusing to modify your deliberately muddled up reply to those posts where I explained what I said. you quoted and replied those quotes(albeit it was muddled up with you attributing fo your own post some of my own words). If you decide to stay blind to the words I posted, there is nothing I can do about it, but it should not stop you from answering questions posted to you long before that. 2.Do you agree that the father called Jesus God? do you know when you asked me this question, it was because I asked you a question that you can't answer , hence like a dubious person you decided to answer back with a question. READERS CAN FIND THIS CONVERSION IN HIS POST MADE ON MAY 19 ,9:54PM. I ASKED SOLITE3 THIS QUESTIONS JESUS HAS A GOD ? YES OR NO JESUS IS SUBJECTED TO THAT GOD ? YES OR NO IF JESUS HAVE A GOD, HOW CAN HE THEN BE GOD ALMIGHTY! he could not answer the question above but felt it's cool to answer a question with a question. that was why I replied him with this : "only dubious people answer question with a question, hope you are not dubious . If you are not, then pls answer the question, then you can ask yours!" HE CALLED ME A HYPOCRITE, YET FOR WEEKS HE COULD NOT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS BELOW your questions are still pending Jesus has a God, yes or no,? Jesus is subjected to that God , yes or no if Jesus has a God, how can He then be almighty God ? 2. on April 27 jEphz "for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... " 3. April 29 " the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ? 4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man. NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?" who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus? you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up , or give part response 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jozzy4: 7:27pm On May 25, 2016 |
Barristter07: chai ! where is solite3 kjv defender 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:05am On May 26, 2016 |
dolphinheart you ask for answers, so we good Christians give them to you, and then you refuse them, by comparing the scriptures, you have argued over words that is written in the bibles, you are trying to turn the word of God against each other, and of course you are calling us lairs because "we" as in you" have shared the word from these bibles we all read from. Really how can anyone take you serious? Everyone who has access to the net, can find all the information they need about the word. Truly "you are mocking not ourselves' but you are mocking the word of God. What your problem is your blindness can only take you further away from the truth. dolphinheart: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:18am On May 26, 2016 |
That is true. And theirs no wondering why I see such. goodnews201668: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:20am On May 26, 2016 |
Barristter07: @red, Why you concerned what Nairaland think, in your head you think I said a lie here are more false jw lies, not just one, it must be scores by now, and many more to come: “Jehovah God has also provided his visible organization, his ‘faithful and discreet slave,’ made up of spirit-anointed ones, to help Christiansin all nations to understand and apply properly the Bible in their lives. Unless we are in touch with this channel of communication that God is using, we will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much Bible reading we do.” (The Watchtower, 12-1-81, p. 27) The importance of Eve’s creation to the end of the world and 1975 The Watchtower Society claims Armageddon will come within 6,000 years after the date of Eve’s creation. In other words, if we add 6,000 yearsto the date of Eve’s creation we will arrive at the date of the end of the world. The Watchtower declares there is but one problem, that is, no one knows the date of Eve’s creation. However, this was NOT a problem BEFORE September 1975! The reason for this cover-up is obvious! This is what the Watchtower said about Eve’s creation and 1975 AFTER Sept. 1975 “Although the time of Adam’s creation can be determined, the beginning of God’s ‘rest day’ cannot. This is so because there was a time lapse of unspecified length between Adam’s creation and the creation of Eve. Not until after the creation of Eve did God’s ‘rest day’ begin. The start of that day being unknown, its end is likewise unknown.” (The Watchtower, 1-1-76, p. 30) “Does this mean, then, that mankind has not reached 6,000 yearsinto the 7,000-year period that God ‘blessed and made sacred’ as his great ‘rest day’? Does it mean that Christ’s millennial Kingdom rule, as the final 1,000 years of that ‘rest day,’ is to be reckoned from September 1975?-Gen. 1:27, 31; 2:2,3; Rev. 20:1-6. No, it does not mean that. Why not? Well, the Bible record shows that God’s creations on the ‘day’ just preceding that 7,000-year ‘rest day’ did not end with Adam’s creation. It shows a time lapse between the creation of Adam and that of his wife, Eve. During that time, God had Adam name the animals. Whether that period amounted to weeks or months or years, we do not know. So we do not know exactly when Jehovah’s great ‘rest day’ began, nor do we know exactly when it will end. The same applies to the beginning of Christ’s millennial reign.” (The Watchtower, 10-1-75, p. 579) http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/jehovahs-witnesses-answered.htm to be continued @ dolphinheart more truth on the sect that is called jehovahs' witnesses at these sites: http://jwfacts.com/ https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:24am On May 26, 2016 |
dolphinheart: that's the fourth time you say the same lie, I did say false jw was queer didn't I [img]http://jwfacts.com[/img] for you here are more false jw lies to add to your own: This is what the Watchtower said about Eve’s creation and 1975 BEFORE 1975 “According to reliable Bible chronology, Adam and Eve were created in 4026 B.C.E.” (Awake!, 10-8-68, p. 14) “Therefore, God’s seventh day and the time man has been on earth apparently run parallel. To calculate where man is in the stream of time relative to God’s seventh day of 7,000 years, we need to determine how long a time has elapsed from the year of Adam and Eve’s creation in 4026 B.C.E. ....Thus, eight yearsremain to account for a full 6,000 years of the seventh day. Eight yearsfrom the autumn of 1967 would bring us to the autumn of 1975, fully 6,000 yearsinto God’s seventh day, his rest day.” (The Watchtower, 5-1-68, p. 271) “At the age of 130 another son was born to her. Eve called his name Seth....” (Aid to Bible Understanding, 1971 ed., p. 538). If this information is compared to the chart in the lower right-hand corner of page 333 of the same volume, one will see, “From Adam’s creation to the birth of Seth” was “130 years”. Hence, both Adam and Eve were 130 years old when Seth was born, implying they were both created in the same year. “It would not be by mere chance or accident but would be according to the loving purpose of Jehovah God for the reign of Jesus Christ, the ‘Lord of the sabbath,’ to run parallel with the seventh millenniumof man’s existence.” (Life Everlasting-In Freedom of the Sons of God, p. 30) “Even if one cannot see beyond 1975, is this any reason to be less active? The apostles could not see even this far; they knew nothing about 1975....If they had delayed or dillydallied and had been complacent with the idea the end was some thousands of years off they would never have finished running the race set before them.” (The Watchtower, 8-15-68, p. 501) “Yes, the end of this system is so very near! Is that not reason to increase our activity?...Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world’s end.” (Kingdom Ministry, May 1974, p. 3) [Question: Was this sound counsel offered by the Society? What do you think happened to those who sold their homes and property and spent all the money, after it was apparent that they were misled about 1975? What would you have done?] http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/jehovahs-witnesses-answered.htm to be continued tomorrow more truth on the sect that is called jehovahs' witnesses at these sites: http://jwfacts.com/ https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:33am On May 26, 2016 |
And with your "spirit" and your "flesh and blood" these two "live as One, and you are alive. Jesus had a "Spirit" too, His "Spirit was God"s Spirit" Both "Spirit" and "flesh and blood" became One, and living. The Father lived in Jesus and Jesus lived in the Father. And Jesus said I Am alive. goodnews201668: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by goodnews201668: 12:46am On May 26, 2016 |
brocab: Father lived in Jesus and Jesus lived in father? Jesus is the father because he has God's spirit? So you are saying my spirit is another person living inside me? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by goodnews201668: 12:47am On May 26, 2016 |
brocab: So why are you avoiding dolphinheart questions? You read the part you like. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:55am On May 26, 2016 |
That's a big change from you, I thought JW's only believe in the Holy Spirit is something of a active force. And how does an "IT" testify to another Spirit Barristter07: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:03am On May 26, 2016 |
If I wanted to read a book I would. But in any conversation, I find it is best to keep it sort and simple, this way we could have a good conversation. But when the other party only want's to do all the talking, not allowing to other to speak, then the conversation ends up not being a conversation, but a loud mouth who thinks he knows it all. Have I just described dolphinheart. goodnews201668: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 1:12am On May 26, 2016 |
brocab: @bold, yes but you are being mild and Charitable |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 1:37am On May 26, 2016 |
brocab: bro, there are so many Bible verses showing that the Holy Spirit is personable, and there is no forgiveness for any who blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, and yet false jw say the Holy Spirit is an "it". They will hold onto one verse and disbelieve a multitude. God is a Spirit, and God is Holy, Christians know that the Holy Spirit is God, and not an "it", false jw blaspheme all over the place. They know nothing but lies, taught them originally by the father of lies. Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. @underline, along with satan, the pharasees were part of murdering Jesus Christ. false jw blaspheme God preaching that Jesus Christ is "a god" and that the Holy Spirit is an "it" dolphinheart said that God and the Word is "a two headed god" You should do what I do, and not commune with them except to show up some of their lies now and then, we are not supposed to throw our pearls (truth) to dogs and swine. Jesus said: Mat_7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. ^^^ That's what false jw do isnt it, with all the scriptures we post to them, they trample them under their feet and then turn and attack you. There is much in the Bible about pharasee jw and other sectarians and non believers. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:46am On May 26, 2016 |
To explain these 3 questions lets look what the bible had said, but my question is to you, do you honestly believe in the scriptures? {John 17:21} Father just as you are in Me I am in you. {Romans 8:11} And if the Spirit of Him {God} who raised Jesus from the dead IS LIVING IN YOU" He who raise Christ from the dead, will also give live to your mortal bodies because of His Spirit who lives in you. Human beings have been created with a Spirit Soul and body {Genesis 1:27} So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him male and female. {Thessalonians 5:23} So may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely, and may our hole Spirit and Soul and Body be kept blameless at the coming of our lord Jesus Christ. It has been said we are not bodies with souls, we are souls with bodies, The body" the outer man is our physical housing which we experience the world. Our bodies function primarily through the five senses and by meeting innate that drives us to eat, drink and sleep, our bodies are not evil but are gifts from God. He desire that we surrender our bodies as living sacrifices to Him {Romans 12:1-2} When we accept God's gift of salvation through Christ, our bodies become temples of the Holy Spirit. {1 Corinthians 6:19-20, 3:16} goodnews201668: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:53am On May 26, 2016 |
Did dolphinheart say that, God and the word is a two headed god". johnw74: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:02am On May 26, 2016 |
Am I a little bit mild and charitable speaking about dolphinheart should I become more on the darker side like him, spreading evil for evil. johnw74: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 2:11am On May 26, 2016 |
brocab: Yes, I showed with scripture that "God and the Word is God" dolphinheart replied "your god is a two headed god" it's a long time back, do you want me to find and post it? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:14am On May 26, 2016 |
No I believe you. But anyway everyone around the world knows how to find the corruption about the JW's like this One. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOKesbiQyWs johnw74: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 2:17am On May 26, 2016 |
brocab: false jw's lies, and not believing many Bible verses etc. is evil showing up their lies and disbelief of Bible verses etc, is not spreading evil for evil one is lies, the other is truth which is never evil. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 2:24am On May 26, 2016 |
brocab: that's funny isn't it, a cross on the watch tower mag. yet false jw say Jesus was nailed to a stake lies everywhere in false jw literature, and with what they say here, I cannot possibly post even a fraction of it. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 2:52am On May 26, 2016 |
Mat_23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Luk 11:39 And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness. Luk 11:40 Ye fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also? Jesus called the pharasees hypocrites and fools, which is not saying evil for evil, but is saying the truth see also in verse 15 the pharasees compass sea and land to preach their lies and get new recruits, just like pharasee jw's today still do. There is much in the bible about false jw and other sectarian and non believers, describing them to a T. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 3:18am On May 26, 2016 |
Watchtower Child Abuse Policies Watchtower is coming under increasing scrutiny for how they have dealt with pedophiles by the media and courts. This includes an Australian Royal Commission in 2015 finding Watchtower procedures to be out of date and damaging to victims, $13.5 million awarded to Lopez in 2014, and the 2012 case Candice Jane Doe vs Watchtower resulting in a judgement against Watchtower to pay $2.8 million dollars in damages. This article explains Watchtower policy regarding child abuse, and how these policies have provided protection for known pedophiles to continue offending within congregations. continue reading: http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/paedophilia.php |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Barristter07: 5:49am On May 26, 2016 |
johnw74 johnw74: [size=28] Lie lie John [/size] |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 6:15am On May 26, 2016 |
Barristter07: No not Lie Lie, those Bible verses are true, but I know you don't believe them, along with a multitude of other Bible verses that you don't believe. johnw74: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 6:27am On May 26, 2016 |
Barristter07: No you surely do err, but here is Lie Lie barristter from false jw: Supposed jw's early teachings: 1799- last days began 1874 - Start of Jesus' invisible presence 1878 - Jesus became King in Heaven 1914 - End of the world Have a look here also: https://www.nairaland.com/3033798/compilation-1975-end-world-watchtower#44652819
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 7:18am On May 26, 2016 |
continue reading Generation article here: http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/generation.php
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