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Re: James Faleke Has Committed Political Harakiri! by Geraraheremehn: 7:05am On Dec 01, 2015
talktonase:
Dont mind faleke and his ambitious moves.He has lost already...

He's guided by sm1 dats it
Re: James Faleke Has Committed Political Harakiri! by MyMouth(m): 7:09am On Dec 01, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:
If Faleke withdraws from the race, Wada stand a chance to be declared winner or the whole process will be cancelled for fresh electioon. Faleke Abiodun is on point
If that happens, then wahala dey! An igala man would win hands down anyday even under KOWA Party! Faleke would be nominated as deputy so he looses nothing if election is cancelled. Moreover the now faleke/ audu ticket is a winner any time!
Re: James Faleke Has Committed Political Harakiri! by uchennamani(m): 7:09am On Dec 01, 2015
teeboila:
Which court?


Faleke never won any election as a matter of fact Audu never won any election because the election was declared inconclusive by INEC (never mind those who say only 25,000 people have PVC out of 49,000 voters, under Nigeria electoral law PVC has no place only registered voters are recognised as a result Wada still has a chance in the eye of the law.)


Faleke claim that he's governor elect is an illegality that cannot stand the test of time in a competent court of law, and APC are aware and wary of this that is why Faleke was not chosen because should PDP appeal before the tribunal about this they'll surely win and send APC tumbling.


In the era of PDP(where there's no internal democracy) we know the 'oga at the top' will just handpick anyone without following due process and allow impunity to foster and when they get unseated by the tribunal or appeal court they'll start shouting witch hunting and scapegoating.
if you are a lawyer or a law student, then something very grave is wrong with the standard of our legal education.

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Re: James Faleke Has Committed Political Harakiri! by uchennamani(m): 7:12am On Dec 01, 2015
ejibaba:


nice question...Lawyers in the house over to you
Nope. It stays with him. He has a very strong case in court.

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Re: James Faleke Has Committed Political Harakiri! by MyMouth(m): 7:12am On Dec 01, 2015
IamPatriotic:





What you mean is even if APC had not fielded any candidate in the November 21 Kogi election, INEC would still have allowed them to be part of the process, since according to you the people voted the party and not Audu/Faleke who criss crossed the entire state to campaign on the party's platform? teach us on.
Don't mind the craze igbira boy! APC would have fielded yahaya bello during the election na, they would have failed woefully! Audu would have won kogi state even under APGA!
Re: James Faleke Has Committed Political Harakiri! by Franzeez(m): 7:13am On Dec 01, 2015
uchennamani:
You are pardoned because you are not a lawyer. He will reclaim his mandate in the court. Just keep this in mind. Well, I can as well tell you the position of the law on the issue. Prince Audu was leading the incumbent governor with more than 45,000 votes at the time he died. Inec has reasons to believe that elections in some 99 polling units were marred with irregularities and therefore cancelled the votes casted in those units. The cancelled units have a combined number of over 49,000 votes. But here is the drill that made this election interesting. From last years' elections, inec introduced the pvcs that the electorate use to accredit themselves before the actual voting. Out of those 49,000 that were to vote in the supplementary election, only about 25,000 collected their pvcs thus making them eligible to vote. Even if all of them vote for the PDP, prince Audu will still emerge the winner because of his superior margin. Inec shouldn't have declared the election inconclusive. They should have declared the apc candidate the winner of the election. That inec didn't do that does not change this fact. In the eyes of the law, Prince Audu was the governor elect the time he died. Section 181 of the constitution is clear on what should happen if the governor elect dies before taking the oath of office and allegiance. The deputy governor will become the governor elect and will nominate a new deputy governor. I will send you a pm when Faleke reclaims his mandate through the court. Thank you.

Is the issue of PVC contained in any electoral act and law, why should the court judge based on the PVC when the electoral laws only recognises registered voters not PVC holders If our electoral laws stipulates PVC holders as the basis for making an election inconclusive then you have a point, but no electoral law or even the Nigerian constitution says that PVC holders is what count but what it states is registered voters... Have you ever gone to a tribunal to argue in the context of PVC card holders? Never! What counts is the registered Voters... Holding a PVC or not holding a PVC does not change one fact of registered voters. It is up to a citizen to exercise his franchise by picking up his voter card as long as he or she is a registered voters.

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Re: James Faleke Has Committed Political Harakiri! by BekeeBuAgbara: 7:15am On Dec 01, 2015
Perhaps it's nice for Faleke to disregard APC's decision while Saraki and Dogora are called rebels that don't respect party supremacy.

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Re: James Faleke Has Committed Political Harakiri! by Franzeez(m): 7:18am On Dec 01, 2015
uchennamani:
if you are a lawyer or a law student, then something very grave is wrong with the standard of our legal education.


You are the one who is a illiterate and who knows nothing about the law. Give me a reference to any law that recognises PVC? If you can't then you are simply out of point. PVC is only a step to actualisation of your power to vote, the paw can't make any reference to PVC, no lawyer will dare it.... There is no law in Nigeria that talks PVC, prove me wrong....

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Re: James Faleke Has Committed Political Harakiri! by arsetalks(m): 7:18am On Dec 01, 2015
Ayatullah:
James Faleke, the APC Deputy Governorship candidate has totally destroyed his political career by standing against his party, the APC.

I wonder why he refused to be patient with the party that brought him to limelight. He could have even been more patient and cool headed after witnessing how death took away Abubakar Audu.

Now that he wants to be the governor of Kogi state in an inconclusive election and choosing his own deputy among late Audu children without consulting his party, it is clear Faleke is on the way to political suicide.

Faleke will not be governor through the supplementary election of December 5 and his stance now which is against his party means he is not a 'deputy governor'.

Yahaya Bello and APC will definitely have to look for a Yahaya Bello/APC friendly deputy governor.

James Faleke may end up being remembered in Nigeria as an unwise, hasty and greedy politician.



You are wrong mate. It is APC that's been silly here. Faleke should be declared winner of the election. It is common knowledge. I am sure should he go to court, he will win against the party.
Re: James Faleke Has Committed Political Harakiri! by uchennamani(m): 7:24am On Dec 01, 2015
Franzeez:


Is the issue of PVC contained in any electoral act and law, why should the court judge based on the PVC when the electoral laws only recognises registered voters not PVC holders If our electoral laws stipulates PVC holders as the basis for making an election inconclusive then you have a point, but no electoral law or even the Nigerian constitution says that PVC holders is what count but what it states is registered voters... Have you ever gone to a tribunal to argue in the context of PVC card holders? Never! What counts is the registered Voters... Holding a PVC or not holding a PVC does not change one fact of registered voters. It is up to a citizen to exercise his franchise by picking up his voter card as long as he or she is a registered voters.
let me tell you the novel thing this PVC did to our electoral system-it has reduced to the barest minimum the amount of irregularities that always mar our elections and it is in agreement with common sense and logic. Since inec has introduced the pvcs and made it compulsory for accreditation before the actual votes are to be casted, it certainly means that a polling unit cannot have a total number of vote cast that is higher than those that collected their pvs and thus were accredited. Do you think that Inec just came with the pvcs out of the blues, it was sufficiently back legally
Re: James Faleke Has Committed Political Harakiri! by BabaO2: 7:26am On Dec 01, 2015
talktonase:
Dont mind faleke and his ambitious moves.He has lost already...
I don't think so. if he overturns it in court, then he will be governor like Amaechi vs Omehia. Why APC have to choose Bello is cheap thinking. If they do another primary election now, Bello might not win or even come close to the winner.
Re: James Faleke Has Committed Political Harakiri! by uchennamani(m): 7:34am On Dec 01, 2015
Franzeez:



You are the one who is a illiterate and who knows nothing about the law. Give me a reference to any law that recognises PVC? If you can't then you are simply out of point. PVC is only a step to actualisation of your power to vote, the paw can't make any reference to PVC, no lawyer will dare it.... There is no law in Nigeria that talks PVC, prove me wrong....
A combined reading of all the sections of the Electoral Act shows that the Inec has the duty to seek for ways that will make elections in this country free and fair. The use of pvc in our elections has been accepted by the courts. Aren't you aware of?
Re: James Faleke Has Committed Political Harakiri! by BabaO2: 7:39am On Dec 01, 2015
Franzeez:



You are the one who is a illiterate and who knows nothing about the law. Give me a reference to any law that recognises PVC? If you can't then you are simply out of point. PVC is only a step to actualisation of your power to vote, the paw can't make any reference to PVC, no lawyer will dare it.... There is no law in Nigeria that talks PVC, prove me wrong....
You don't need to be insultive to make your point. PVC holders is the same as updated list. Some early voters have died, some have even been included, so people with PVC are the updated list. I will align with your sparring partner, there are lots of holes in Nigeria laws, they dont have to particularly mention PVC, it is part of electoral process and procedure
Re: James Faleke Has Committed Political Harakiri! by Franzeez(m): 8:29am On Dec 01, 2015
uchennamani:
let me tell you the novel thing this PVC did to our electoral system-it has reduced to the barest minimum the amount of irregularities that always mar our elections and it is in agreement with common sense and logic. Since inec has introduced the pvcs and made it compulsory for accreditation before the actual votes are to be casted, it certainly means that a polling unit cannot have a total number of vote cast that is higher than those that collected their pvs and thus were accredited. Do you think that Inec just came with the pvcs out of the blues, it was sufficiently back legally


That is not the issue the court will act on, the court will act on what the electoral act of 2010 says which is registered voters
Re: James Faleke Has Committed Political Harakiri! by TonyeBarcanista(m): 8:33am On Dec 01, 2015
arewafederation:


I think on the contrary, if Faleke is allowed to contest and eventually declared winner of the elections, Wada/PDP will have a stronger chance of unseating him through the tribunal because Faleke did not participate in any primaries.

The best bet for APC is to pick the traitor,Yahaya. Either ways, APC are in a tight corner.
There is nothing like "If allowing Faleke ti contest...". Faleke is already on the ballot and has garnered majority vote. The court will kick out the illegitimate Bello... Quote me anywhere

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Re: James Faleke Has Committed Political Harakiri! by TonyeBarcanista(m): 8:49am On Dec 01, 2015
MyMouth:

If that happens, then wahala dey! An igala man would win hands down anyday even under KOWA Party! Faleke would be nominated as deputy so he looses nothing if election is cancelled. Moreover the now faleke/ audu ticket is a winner any time!
That will be in 2019.... This ongoing contest is technically over
Re: James Faleke Has Committed Political Harakiri! by talktonase(m): 9:01am On Dec 01, 2015
BabaO2:

I don't think so. if he overturns it in court, then he will be governor like Amaechi vs Omehia. Why APC have to choose Bello is cheap thinking. If they do another primary election now, Bello might not win or even come close to the winner.
The Truth about it is that Audu had died earlier than it was announced in the media.If the victory of APC was announced as well then the late audu would have been replaced immediately wiith that of faleke but because APC stakeholders had the intention of effecting a pollitical chess game orchestrated in order to ouste faleke, a consensus candidate yahaya bello had to be elected by party members loyal to PMB...remember faleke was brought in by tinubu. So you can smell the tussle between the APC members them selves.Igala tribe has always ruled kogi for decades and at this point such a decision made by the party which was effected as a result of the advice by the AGF will further frustrate Faleke in court because Apc is the ruling party...lets sit back and watch the drama!

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Re: James Faleke Has Committed Political Harakiri! by agabusta: 9:08am On Dec 01, 2015
hedonistic:
Following your argument, Rotimi Amaechi would never have been governor if he had meekly towed the party line instead of vigorously pursuing his ambition in 2007.

Pls about that Rotimi Amaechi case. When he came in, did he come in with his own Deputy Governor, I mean did he nominate a fresh deputy on assumption of office? Or he carried on with the Deputy to Celestine Omehia?
Re: James Faleke Has Committed Political Harakiri! by hedonistic: 9:41am On Dec 01, 2015
agabusta:


Pls about that Rotimi Amaechi case. When he came in, did he come in with his own Deputy Governor, I mean did he nominate a fresh deputy on assumption of office? Or he carried on with the Deputy to Celestine Omehia?

Of course he came in with his own deputy, Tele Ikuru. But that is even beside the point. The fact is, he took his party hierarchy to court and fought them to a standstill until the courts proclaimed him governor.
Re: James Faleke Has Committed Political Harakiri! by comos: 9:46am On Dec 01, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:
If Faleke withdraws from the race, Wada stand a chance to be declared winner or the whole process will be cancelled for fresh electioon. Faleke Abiodun is on point
Yahaya should nominate Audu son as his deputy. Faleke should go back to NASS
Re: James Faleke Has Committed Political Harakiri! by teeboila(m): 10:03am On Dec 01, 2015
IamPatriotic:





What you mean is even if APC had not fielded any candidate in the November 21 Kogi election, INEC would still have allowed them to be part of the process, since according to you the people voted the party and not Audu/Faleke who criss crossed the entire state to campaign on the party's platform? teach us on.
Omehia criss cross River state in 2003 campaigning but Amaechi who never had a single campaign poster led River state for 4 years with vote garnered and campaigned for by Omehia.


Technical issue: Whoever is campaigning is doing so to gather vote for his/her party and not him/herself. (Amaechi issue is a perfect example)

Did you know that : If a political office holder elected on the platform of a party decide to leave the party(when there is no division or breakup within the party) he/she is going to forfeit the seat he/she is occupying because such candidate was not voted for but the party will maintain their mandate by having a candidate replacement or have a new election.
Re: James Faleke Has Committed Political Harakiri! by teeboila(m): 10:13am On Dec 01, 2015
uchennamani:
if you are a lawyer or a law student, then something very grave is wrong with the standard of our legal education.
see SAN talking about the rot in our legal education.


If you understand the law and how it works then you will know that 1+1 do not always equal to 2, 1+1 could be equal to 11(eleven) provided you can prove it in the eye of the law.


If you want to interprete the law you must do away with your partisan coat and do justice with the matter at hand. Law is always a headache and confusion to the layman.
Re: James Faleke Has Committed Political Harakiri! by teeboila(m): 10:27am On Dec 01, 2015
MyMouth:

Audu never won any election hun? Something must be wrong with ur head! So which one did the foolish yahaya bello win? That guy is going to have a very hard time being governor! If only he had been a loyal party man.... .. Watch and see what will happen, u know nothing!
Audu won the primary election but he's dead(note: he never won the main gubernatorial election. you may say he has won but INEC and the law say he never won the election), Bello came second in the primary election and as such the replacement for Audu.


How can you say APC should jump give their vote to anybody because he's a deputy . The vote belongs to the party(APC) and Yahaya Bello is next in line after Audu according to APC, had Audu been sworn in Faleke will be next in line and superior candidate to Bello.
Re: James Faleke Has Committed Political Harakiri! by uchennamani(m): 10:40am On Dec 01, 2015
teeboila:
see SAN talking about the rot in our legal education.


If you understand the law and how it works then you will know that 1+1 do not always equal to 2, 1+1 could be equal to 11(eleven) provided you can prove it in the eye of the law. You are a comedian, you have the real thing that make successful as one. May I suggest you take it up as Basket mouth and AY have done. Law is a discipline that is anchored on logic and evidence. You suggested that 1 plus 1 could be 11 in law? You could as well have said that under normal circumstances in a court, a judge can accept an evidence that a plaintiff standing before him is actually a bag of Dangote sugar. There is certainly something wrong with our legal education when a supposedly person with legal knowledge opened up his wide mouth to say that 1 plus 1 could be 11 in law. What then happens to the rules of logic? Bro, you have it in you. Become a comedian.


If you want to interprete the law you must do away with your partisan coat and do justice with the matter at hand. Law is always a headache and confusion to the layman.
Re: James Faleke Has Committed Political Harakiri! by agabusta: 11:20am On Dec 01, 2015
hedonistic:


Of course he came in with his own deputy, Tele Ikuru. But that is even beside the point. The fact is, he took his party hierarchy to court and fought them to a standstill until the courts proclaimed him governor.

Tnx for the info. I've been wondering.

Respecting party hierarchy does not mean one should keep quiet like a dullard when one's right is being trampled on.

I like Amaechi a lot for that. I also support Faleke on this. The case will even help strengthen our democracy and the legal aspects of it.
Re: James Faleke Has Committed Political Harakiri! by teeboila(m): 11:21am On Dec 01, 2015
[quote author=uchennamani post=40573328][/quote]I said as long as you can prove it,if you can't then stop trying to be a counsel to a dooms cause.


stop quoting me if you can't tell me what is wrong with your legal education.

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