You maintain your position: situations and circumstances leads to homosexuality and any other abnormal behaviour (we are yet to acertain what behaviour are to be considered normal).

Eg: so if all my friends smoke, I am likely to smoke right? Do you think for once that despite my friends smoke, I might hate the act but still roll with my friends?

bawomolo:

is there an heterosexual gene? if not, why are you so confident heterosexuality is natural and homosexuality isn't?

The hypocrisy in this thread is alarming.  We are making judgment on gays, lesbians, transgendered people without taking their point of view into account.

in other words, it took contact with homos before you Uncle came out of the closet.

You are an idiot if you think watching a tv show or talking with gays would turn u homo. they are not lepers for God sake.

what's wrong with you bigots?

Secretz:

I think a lot of us are guilty of this to be honest.
Someone mentioned earlier about going to single sex schools having an affect, and boys playing with 'girly' toys simply have a lot of females in their home etc etc.

1. I grew up with 6 brothers and too many uncles. . . . .granted I was 'tomboyish' during my primary school and early teens, but I am now just an IRON lady  

2. I also went to a single sex school, NEVER EVER have me or my friends and anyone we knew had lesbian 'tendencies'. My brothers also went to single sex schools, barr 1, neither of them have ever had gay 'tendencies'.

3. There are 2 particular young boys I work with who enjoy playing with 'girly' toys, dressing up in girls clothes etc etc.  One of them has 3 brothers, the other has 2 brothers and a sister (not a house full of females).  

4. My gay colleague and his twin brother who is also gay, went to mixed sex schools, they also have 2 sisters (who are straight). One of the brothers liked 'masculine/boys' toys etc, the other wasn't really interested in toys etc, but yet they have felt this way supposedly 'since they could remember'.  

Therefore, I dunno . . . . .  just, therefore.  

dejiariyo:

pls pple i wanna ask this question, why does gay men use mens toilets?why dont they have thier toilet cos its just hyprocricy when u say u not stright but u use the same toilet as straight pple, why cant they just go into female toilets cos they are more of the feminine side.


my point again is i dont have anything against u gays, but if u gay do it in ur bedroom no one will fault yu, but when u start fighting for rights, its the source of thier problem, how many times have u seen we straight pple fighting for our rights, we do it in our various rooms and not on the streets.

JeSoul:

 A false aspiration becos even the gayest of scientists still cannot prove it scientifically.

The original purpose of the thread was to look at it from a spiritual perspective of the sinful nature - hence the lead charge for christians.

plants are living organisms, aren't they?  do they consent to being plowed or extracted in any way?

dont they have thier toilet cos its just hyprocricy when u say u not stright but u use the same toilet as straight pple,

the point is, by that argument people are being punished for their natural desire.

bawomolo:

yes i'm looney enough [/b]to argue that.

   My dear Bawo I should've never doubted you  

[b]how is heterosexuality genetic but homosexuality not? keep in mind i believe both are natural.

davidylan:

Someone asked (foolishly if i may add) whether there is a heterosexual gene . . . there is no better example than both the male and female gamettes . . .

Unlike somatic cells, germ cells are the ONLY cells of the human body that undergo meiosis because both contain only half the number of chromosomes. If there was no use for heterosexuality we'd all have been born hermaphrodites or egg-laying mammals like the platypus.

Pls the individual who made such a comment (a foolish one if i may again reiterate) shld not say that again.

bawomolo:

is there an heterosexual gene? if not, why are you so confident heterosexuality is natural and homosexuality isn't?

The hypocrisy in this thread is alarming.  We are making judgment on gays, lesbians, transgendered people without taking their point of view into account.

in other words, it took contact with homos before you Uncle came out of the closet.

You are an idiot if you think watching a tv show or talking with gays would turn u homo. they are not lepers for God sake.

what's wrong with you bigots?

Secretz:

I think a lot of us are guilty of this to be honest.
Someone mentioned earlier about going to single sex schools having an affect, and boys playing with 'girly' toys simply have a lot of females in their home etc etc.

1. I grew up with 6 brothers and too many uncles. . . . .granted I was 'tomboyish' during my primary school and early teens, but I am now just an IRON lady  

2. I also went to a single sex school, NEVER EVER have me or my friends and anyone we knew had lesbian 'tendencies'. My brothers also went to single sex schools, barr 1, neither of them have ever had gay 'tendencies'.

3. There are 2 particular young boys I work with who enjoy playing with 'girly' toys, dressing up in girls clothes etc etc.  One of them has 3 brothers, the other has 2 brothers and a sister (not a house full of females).  

4. My gay colleague and his twin brother who is also gay, went to mixed sex schools, they also have 2 sisters (who are straight). One of the brothers liked 'masculine/boys' toys etc, the other wasn't really interested in toys etc, but yet they have felt this way supposedly 'since they could remember'.  

Therefore, I dunno . . . . .  just, therefore.  

I think you're asking amiss. It's not about which is "genetic" but moreso about which is the natural order.

bawomolo:

If the point of the thread is to argue about homosexuals from a spiritual perspective then why is it only meant for christian.

Are christians the only spiritual people? can't a buddhist or taoist comment on homosexuality?

JeSoul:

  I prefer 'discuss'.

The topic called for christian opinions only becos of the angle I was trying to attack the question from is from a christian/biblical perspective of the sinful nature. Not becos I was trying to seclude everyone else, I did also say anyone else was welcome to comment.

In a way, there is a heterosexual gene. Without heterosexual intercourse, there will be no reproduction, including that of homosexuals. How natural can heterosexuality get since it's the reason for human existence?. Are you even gay? this one you're fighting the obvious 

bawomolo:

Then it's not a spiritual argument but a "discussion" restricted to Christians for a known reason. I doubt if the notoriously liberal Unitarian Christians would be welcomed in this convo of yours.

no offense but this is the equivalent of the KKK discussing the civil rights movement.
The tone of the discussion was already set with comments like un-natural, perversion and deviation.

bawomolo:

homosexuality happens in nature and it is common among many animal species. what's more natural than those beasts we trap in national parks.

bawomolo:

i'm still waiting for the so-called heterosexual gene. na so so cellular mago mago dawodu dey talk. yeye man.

bawomolo:

I thought you needed to eat to survive or do folks in your village only need oxygen?

no consent is needed because the food chain is what keeps the world in order or else would be overpopulated by beasts and vegetation if not for human/animal consumption (at times excessive).

you don't get it do you, the constitution guarantees freedoms until your actions affects the freedom of others.  A natural desire to prey on little kids who oppose it or are below the age of consent is punishable.

JeSoul:

    Why you're taking this so personal is beyond me.

  And are the discussants not permitted to their own opinions and say on the matter?

I & others believe it is a deviation from the norm, does it mean we hate gays? 

roses, we don't eat them.  do they give consent?

Then you'd be waiting for the feeding gene and the walking gene or the reading gene? some people can be hillariously silly.

Kleptomania (also spelled 'cleptomania') (Greek: κλέπτειν, kleptein, "to steal", μανία, "mania" is the condition of not being able to resist the urge to collect or hoard things. People with this disorder are compelled to steal things, generally things of little or no value, such as pens, paper clips, tape, small toys. Some may not be aware that they have committed the theft.

bawomolo:

chiogo are you trying to say barren people lack the heterosexual gene? this is dangerous territory you are going into you. 

ever heard of this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis

bawomolo:

not personal, just wondering why people compare homosexuality to bestiality or pedophilia.

bawomolo:

now think about those waiting for the homosexual gene.

bawomolo:

homosexuality happens in nature and it is common among many animal species. what's more natural than those beasts we trap in national parks.

C2H5OH:

bawo knows in his subconscious that homosexuality is nothing but an odd fetish.  he just doesn't wish to concede that point.

That makes heterosexuality natural because without it, there wouldn't be any human including your homosexuals.

Was any portion of the male anatomy designed to be poked?

C2H5OH:

bawo knows in his subconscious that homosexuality is nothing but an odd fetish. he just doesn't wish to concede that point.

Chrisbenogor:

@Jesoul
The point I was trying to put across was this, no you know stealing is bad because you must have felt the urge to and then resisted it. You have never ever felt it for a girl so you have never even had the urge that is my point.
Lets even use stealing as an example, have you ever heard of people who suffer from kelptomania:

This condition was only diagnosed in 1960, how do you think the world has treated the people with this same condition that are on the other side of time?

bawomolo:

ever heard of this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis

davidylan:

I get tired of ignorant people rushing to quote science they dont understand. If you read your own wikipedia quote you would see one of the fundamental reasons why parthenogenesis cannot occur in humans. Ever read about imprinted genes? Start from there then see how absurd your link looks like.

porka:

so does canibalism. or havent you seen animals eating it's kind before? why do we purnish murderers?

bawomolo:

did i say it could occur in humans? i don't tire for you.

which kin village headmaster are you.

davidylan:

If it is allegedly that common why have the only documented cases been from scientists? why have i not seen my pet goat trying to ride her sister? Why are female chicks never riding each other? Why do you not see agama lizards "getting it on"?

davidylan:

but you're arguing about homosexuality in humans not fish right?

davidylan:

If it is allegedly that common why have the only documented cases been from scientists? why have i not seen my pet goat trying to ride her sister? Why are female chicks never riding each other? Why do you not see agama lizards "getting it on"?

As for your question about asexual reproduction, are you a product of one? I don't think so. Still irrelevant. Let's limit this talk to just humans.

bawomolo:

Jesoul - do you have the keys to my mind. how are you so sure i believe homosexuality is some kinky fetish that's a choice?

davidylan:

If it is allegedly that common why have the only documented cases been from scientists? why have i not seen my pet goat trying to ride her sister? Why are female chicks never riding each other? Why do you not see agama lizards "getting it on"?