I dont think anyone is born gay. like someone noted, we are made in the image of God.

Sin brought about alot of things. I see sin as an alternative to whatever is true. Problems arise when people begin to seek out alternatives. The bible is really clear on sexual orientation. God made Eve for Adam, and not Adam for Adam. One of the reasons God destroyed sodom and gommorah was because of the sexual immorality which included incest and homosexuality.

I really feel sorry for people who genuinely feel that they were born that way, or do not understand why the are attracted to the same sex or even feel like they are not supposed to be the sex they are. But its really not the way God intended it to be.

proudly9ja:

I am not a medical doctor but I think I know a bit about hormones and genes. First and foremost, some men are born naturally with excess female hormones and I think its called the progesterone or egesterone. You will find these men in many societies today displaying woman like behaviours and you will mostly see them in the company of girls. In Nigeria, people even go ahead and call them 'obirin' meaning woman. For me, I think for these kind of people, they are 'born' with it and as such, it belies on them to fight it and do the right thing. It is also their parents' responsibilities not to indulge their woman like tendencies from childhood. Trust me, they can be overcome. Some girls are also born with excess male hormones called the testosterone. They do same thing as described for their male counterparts except in reverse.

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That is interesting . . .   ^{n sad} . . . b'cus dia r people that can neva change who n wat they r. .

. i used to hate with a passion gay people cus  i was brought up to bliv it is sin n in my religion it is indeed a sin . . . but now i jus feel sorry for them becus i feel no one for anything can change my orientation cus i wud totally abhor n  feel nothin for a  same sex union. . . wat if a Gay person has such strong feelings lik i  do how easy can it get for the gays ?? i honestly wish this world we live in is not soo complicated

@ Topic------> yes i do bliv people r born that way. But while some r willin to change n can change . . . . . . ,others are not willing to change n will neva change.

proudly9ja:

I am not a medical doctor but I think I know a bit about hormones and genes. First and foremost, some men are born naturally with excess female hormones and I think its called the progesterone or egesterone. You will find these men in many societies today displaying woman like behaviours and you will mostly see them in the company of girls. In Nigeria, people even go ahead and call them 'obirin' meaning woman. For me, I think for these kind of people, they are 'born' with it and as such, it belies on them to fight it and do the right thing. It is also their parents' responsibilities not to indulge their woman like tendencies from childhood. Trust me, they can be overcome. Some girls are also born with excess male hormones called the testosterone. They do same thing as described for their male counterparts except in reverse.

  Thank you brotha, you've attacked the issue from the direction I was looking for. This is dealing the physical and anatomical side of things. Is this widely accepted and acknowledged by both sides? that some men are naturally born with excess female hormones?

Now you may say, the child was born with it so its not his fault. True. But one thing as christians we must understand is that the day Adam sinned, he brought sin into the world and since that day, Man took his destiny away from God's Hands and decided things for himself and his generations yet unborn. That is why if a woman who takes alcohol heavily during pregnacy gives birth to a deformed child, you cannot blame God for it. The issue of the why and how children are born with excess hormones of the opposite sex I cannot explain because I do not know but I am certain that is by our own doing. Its the same way some people who are called kleptomaniacs. They have an irresistible tendency to steal. No matter how rich they are, they get this satisfaction from stealing even petty things they usually do not need.

 
   Excellent! so do you agree with the viewpoint that homosexuality is just another side effect of having the sinful nature? and since everyone has the sinful nature random people suffer homosexual tendencies?

Same thing like someone said, homosexuuality can be imbibed from society. I do not want to talk too much on this as some posts before me have dwelt on it.

What then can be done. As a christian, first thing Il say is prayer. Also the person needs serious councelling and therapy. But first, he must understand and agree that it is wrong for him to be a homosexual and must accept to change.

Hope Ive made some sense

my tots.

   A lotta sense brotha, a whole lotta

being born gay is a big question that needs a lot of positive attention. no man is born gay but the cause of gayism still remains at large. what we see or feed our ears with is what will end up moulding us into a better person or worse. for a person to become a gay, it takes a gradual process, probably by watching porn films, pictures, mags, etc. another is by the people we go out with(evil communication corrupts good manners). NO MAN WAS BORN A GAY, WHETHER WE BELIEVE IT OR NOT. coming to terms with this truth will go a long way to helping victims realize that they are in a big mess. God helping us, there will always be a comfort zone for the said victims. by His grace, I run an N.G.O called Great Favour Foundation, which is dedicated to helping victims of sexuality. let God keep guiding us to the truth as we wait for His return. (www.greatfavourfoundation..com)

@ezego 1
There's a difference between archaic african mentality due to ignorance and God's words.
I personally think that homosexuality is un-natural and abhorrent.
The world is hurtling towards a state of 'there's nothing like normal' largely due to the Godless west setting most trends.
Inadequate upbringing is one big cause of homosexuality ; when a child is in his formative years and there is no structured guidiance,the kid can turn into anything (Homo ,pedo,serial  killer,cross-dressing motherfuc.ker etc)

no one is born born. some pple just got twisted at a point, simple, end of discussion.

God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.I got this LESBO friend that used to date guys in her secondary  school days but now  she is a full lesbo, i always believed she was just frustrated by men that she decided to chose other way.
The gay claimed not to have feelings for men or women but they are having sex like heterosexual.

Why does being GAY have to be a sin. Ignorance is just displayed in this thread showing our backward and African mentality. Just as "twins were evil" or "albinos are this or that". Has anyone on this thread ever used their common sense (which is not common though) to reflect on this. (By the way i'm not gay)

If you are not Gay surely you are gay sympathiser. I hope people like you will one day accept paedophilia as been natural then I know the whole world has gone bunker.

Pls Guys,  give me a break. so if tomorrow i born pikin (girl) wey dey behave like man, then she notices that her peers behave a bit different, dont u think the next thing for the poor child na to create a kind of feeling of belonging by simply being a lesbian? How about we tell this child that it is okay to act the way you are and break it down to biological terms stating that she might have a high number of testosterone in her? see make i yarn una, the gay guys always seek for some sort of shield from their peers by admiting they are gay. All these children need is just love and a clearer understanding of what they are undergoing biologically. what say you owe fellas?

NO person can be born gay, its another warped up and amorous sexuality akin to the bestiality, incest, rape, serial killing, armed-banditry, etc; They all fit into the same category and are repugnant vices that are unacceptable by the dictates of any decent reasoning, further, it smacks of anti-social  behaviour. Also it is really a form of rebellion to God's ordained order of sexuality.  How do we also justify someone who would prefer to have sex with another person of same sex? its as bad as having sex with an animal, say a dog, monkey, cow etc; Now whilst in the act, just ponder how God sees what you're doing? The point is that people hardly pause to ask- How does God view what l am doing. All those professing to be born gays are actually sexual perverts, deviants and rebels; who should seek spiritual deliverance, because its really a a demonic and grievious sin before God.

@m_nwankwo
You threw abundant light on this issue but u sounds more like a buddhist even tho the word GOD GOD GOD filled ur write up. Maybe u r fond of reading these indian spirtitual literatures. It's a good thing though, me i do read sometimes at lest to upgrade my knowledge base spititually. I do agree with u that this gay guys have internal women bodies. Infact one need to interact with them to see that they're 100%  women more especially the transexuals among them, One could also become gay via influences, this type of gay should be condemned completely. Where i don't agree with u was where u linked gay to reincarnation. If u truely knew what reincarnation is all about, i doubt if u did make such comment. Reincarnation though many don't believe in it works pari-passu with the law of karma. Law of karma is like bouncing a tennis ball on the wall, it'll ceratinly hit back to u while reincarnation beams searchlight on ones life on this earth, the good and bad things he/she did determines the form to take in next life. If u believe that God created man solmnly on his own, that's man has no hands in his making and that this gay guys posses internal woman bodies which is not of their own making, is it right to condemn them? Pls don't look at me like that i am not a guy but this very question has been bothering me 4 quite long. Reincarnation can only play out on soneone on issues he/she has control over and therefore responsible for the actions undertaking. I neither support nor condemn this gay thing, Let God determine their lot.

obecha:

NO person can be born gay, its another warped up and amorous sexuality akin to the bestiality, incest, rape, serial killing, armed-banditry, etc; They all fit into the same category and are repugnant vices that are unacceptable by the dictates of any decent reasoning, further, it smacks of anti-social behaviour. Also it is really a form of rebellion to God's ordained order of sexuality. How do we also justify someone who would prefer to have sex with another person of same sex? its as bad as having sex with an animal, say a dog, monkey, cow etc; Now whilst in the act, just ponder how God sees what you're doing? The point is that people hardly pause to ask- How does God view what l am doing. All those professing to be born gays are actually sexual perverts, deviants and rebels; who should seek spiritual deliverance, because its really a a demonic and grievious sin before God.

seconded


Ooops catch u

Guy are not being born but made, jt like a female that is trained in a mannish way by the parent, u see this kind of female already have the feeling of men and another man cant move them so they seek for woman satisfy them so it is with the man

I shudder at the very unintelligent answers of Nigerians or rather, people on this Nairaland forum. Imagine people given answers based on what they think and on sentiments and not on a proven FACT.
Pls people it has been proven very well scientifically that some people are born gay even in animals. It is what has to do with genes ( i dont know if anyone here reads science at all), maybe we can say it is some kind of a gene abnormality.
Whether we like the tendency or not is another issue entirely, but pls let us stop posting jargons at this stage of human development and awareness.

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people are born slowpoke

people are born theives

people are born mad?

people are born wicked

people are born selfish etc

well make your mind up!

I dont thik that one can rly fight the gay tendency out, and if that can happen it will be rly hard. And concerning religion, it is rly a very complicated issue and the holy books rly did not make a very convincing remark on that.
And what is rly sinful? is it being gay, not being able to sleep witha woman or having gay sex?

There is no short answer to this question and I really don't have time now

ILOCHUDI:

I dont thik that one can rly fight the gay tendency out, and if that can happen it will be rly hard. And concerning religion, it is rly a very complicated issue and the holy books rly did not make a very convincing remark on that.
And what is rly sinful? is it being gay, not being able to sleep witha woman or  having gay sex?
 

It did see my earlier post and there is anoda verse i am yet to recall

ILOCHUDI:

I shudder at the very unintelligent answers of Nigerians or rather, people on this Nairaland forum. Imagine people given answers based on what they think and on sentiments and not on a proven FACT.
 Pls people it has been proven very well scientifically that some people are born gay even in animals. It is what has to do with genes ( i dont know if anyone here reads science at all), maybe we can say it is some kind of a gene abnormality.
Whether we like the tendency or not is another issue entirely, but pls let us stop posting jargons at this stage of human development and awareness.

Science cannot explain matters of spiritual underlining, that is why the big bang theory cannot make up for human existence, just has it can tell the real nature of the sun. Somethings are beyomd human physical word. Well, the bible neva said we all have understanding sha! so i get it.

ILOCHUDI:

I dont thik that one can rly fight the gay tendency out, and if that can happen it will be rly hard. And concerning religion, it is rly a very complicated issue and the holy books rly did not make a very convincing remark on that.
And what is rly sinful? is it being gay, not being able to sleep witha woman or having gay sex?

See also

Gen 19 (Sodom and Gomorrah

Levi 18: 22 & 23

1 Cor 6:9

1 Tim 1:10

No. No one is born gay.

You either learn that deviant attitude from acquintances or movies/literary works.

I tend to agree that some people are born gay - that child boy who chooses to play drama, sue, sand-cooking, baby-nurse from childhood, instead of soccer, cowboy 'movies', toy car construction, kite flying etc which other boy children do,

i don't believe one can b born gay!! While i was growing up in a single boarding hse skool sumwhere in Ibara, Abeokuta, saw a couple of guys who turned gay, but graduating from secondary school, these guys r happily married n i doubt if dere spouse knw abt dere gay sexuality, a well known celebrity currently in 9ja, happens 2b 1 of dem,

You said they "turned gay". Real gays are born; not made. It is a pitiable state but they see women as same gender. Their voice, body carriage, countenance, walking step, choice of dresses are feminine. If you see a real gay, you will not need a prophet. They see males as opposite sex.

I am actually impressed that this thread has not been hijacked after two pages!  
@m_nwankwo
As always I love reading your points of view, just a deep seated feeling a long acquired wisdom.
@poster
Naturally as an atheist I am inclined to say that people are born that way but that will not be totally true, what we cannot deny is if homosexuality is a natural occurring thing, a quick Google search on homosexuality in animals will tell us it really does exist. Furthermore the world has grown a great deal in recent times and a critical look at things will reveal that more often than not using the bible as a basis to judge issues that are biological can be grossly erroneous.
I always like to use transgender as a point, in the 1800's a person with transgender could have been  misunderstood, we all know of the popular "ogbanje" myth here in africa which could be explained by sickle cell anemia not to talk the least of the slavery the black man had to go through and is still going through today because people think we are a lesser race, the list goes on.
Just as Obama said today, it is always easy to point out what we think is wrong with other people, other religions, other cultures and pretty difficult to turn the mirror on ourselves, I am not sure if the black man was allowed to vote in the early 1900's, if there is any race who should be most tolerating of misunderstood people I think it should be the black man.
Future generations will judge us better if we err on the side of caution and give in, that to stamp our foot to say its a behavioral disorder only to be shown after 50 years the reason why people are gay. Nature vs nurture is a debate that will never be put to rest until one side can come up with real credible evidence that totally trumps the allegations of the other side, right now burden of proof lies on those that say it is nurture.

Cheers.  

Hmm . . . .


Invert your question and see what answers  you get.

Could It Really Be That A Person Can Be  Born Heterosexual Or Conditioned To Be So?

An individual does not choose thier sexuality. Each must

choose whether or not to be true to thier natural desires or

if they should act like someone wishes them to.

You can be born male you can be born female you can be born black you can be born white, but nobody is born gay. If you believe someone can be born gay then you should believe that someone can be born to play tennis football be a criminal  etc.

What do you mean by "choose their sexuality"? That sounds a bit vague to me.

You are very much capable of making the conscious decision to stick your big dipper in a man's bum, an animal's rear, or a woman's vagina.

Not so?

And for those who live and die by science: If you can provide solid scientific proof that it is possible to differentiate a gay child from a straight one at birth, I would agree with you.

dont you think that i have some one like that living with me in the same room, suddenly he just started to behave like one of them
but not yet
still working on that but i dont know what to do about it
pls help me

Ebumowa where u dey?