aalangel:


And the Hausa man they went to beg refused.

Lol

mapet:


In fact they were very good family friends

I just weak for some people oh... S ee the way he said it as if he has evidence to show they were enemies..

Frankiss44:


Wow... Here comes another revelation. Are you trying to say IBB was innocent in the whole Vatsa saga?

Well according to Wole Soyinka in his book "You must set forth at dawn"

Chinua Achebe √√ Wole Shoyinka √√ ..Jp.... Wait wait wait!!... That must have being Olamide's dad or somethin' !!

Frankiss44:


Wow... Here comes another revelation. Are you trying to say IBB was innocent in the whole Vatsa saga?

I heard that once and you are right, but that Abacus was more powerful than IBB was not correct..
That Soyinka thought was completely misplaced.

Vasta was killed for more personal reason than national..Hus cup was full and that was even the more reason he contributed to the coup..

cuvox:
before Achebe and Soyinka turned enemies

nairaland tribal war has washed your brain

Frankiss44:
This explained the one Nigeria of old, it was genuine and pure.. Unlike what we have now.. Yoruba man and Igbo man going to beg for the release of a HAUSA man

Please, know your country's history and structure well. Not everybody from Northern Nigeria is Hausa and late Mamman Vatsa from Niger State and Even IBB are not Hausas. The Hausa language is widely spoken and the lingua franca of most parts of Northern Nigeria. Your Yoruba and Igbo duo only went to beg IBB because the late Vatsa was one of them. A poet.

Frankiss44:
This explained the one Nigeria of old, it was genuine and pure.. Unlike what we have now.. Yoruba man and Igbo man going to beg for the release of a HAUSA man

vatsa is not hausa but Nupe man. You can't refer to an ijaw man as Ibo

Frankiss44:
This explained the one Nigeria of old, it was genuine and pure.. Unlike what we have now.. Yoruba man and Igbo man going to beg for the release of a HAUSA man

It is still happening now only our Igbo people don't do it any more.

Soyinka, Tunde Bakare and others still fought for Jonathan enthronement when Yar adua was sick.

Falana still advocated for the release of court-martialled soldiers, majority of who are Hausas.

hmuhammad:
vatsa is not hausa but Nupe man. You can't refer to an ijaw man as Ibo

Noted Boss.. We from the other side of the Niger area see every northerner as Hausa. An innocent mistake

Mhudi:

Please, know your country's history and structure well. Not everybody from Northern Nigeria is Hausa and late Mamman Vatsa from Niger State and Even IBB are not Hausas. The Hausa language is widely spoken and the lingua franca of most parts of Northern Nigeria. Your Yoruba and Igbo duo only went to beg IBB because the late Vatsa was one of them. A poet.

Thank you very much. I appreciate.

veraponpo:


It is still happening now only our Igbo people don't do it any more.

Soyinka, Tunde Bakare and others still fought for Jonathan enthronement when Yar adua was sick.

Falana still advocated for the release of court-martialled soldiers, majority of who are Hausas.

This is the tribalism am talking about. You have rushed to defend your own tribe even though you know, just like everyone that the tribal issue thing has eaten deep into our country like a cancer. Now you have sighted your example using Soyinka and Bakare.. Isn't Ekweremadu supporting Saraki, does that rule out the fact that tribal sentiments isn't killing us?

doublewisdom:

Because Soyinka could not control his jealously of Achebe's achievements. The reference to Achebe as the father of African literature almost made Soyinka run mad with envy.

Unfounded lies.

247notire:
Let me educate u. when we say the north has always been the problem of nigeria it is not by who has been president in what times. It's the fact that any tym they are in power, the kind of massive corruption and enrichment of themselves and their cronies that happen is bewildering. Also, they will always be against anything that will cause the country to be restructured cos as it stands, the country's current lopsided structure has always favoured them. They are also very violent and have caused the death of too many Nigerians, esp of southern origin. their born to rule mentality also does not help. I hope u understand a bit now?

Ok...thanks i wasn't born before the periods that I want to list but from what I've read and heard Let me separate the northern looters and others (the ones I know)

Shehu shagari
IBB
Abacha

Others
Obj
GEJ

Others looted but these ones here were senior men in looting

In my opinion the looted money from obj and Gej is more than what the others looted....feel free to correct me

danidee10:


Ok...thanks i wasn't born before the periods that I want to list but from what I've read and heard Let me separate the northern looters and others (the ones I know)

Shehu shagari
IBB
Abacha

Others
Obj
GEJ

Others looted but these ones here were senior men in looting

In my opinion the looted money from obj and Gej is more than what the others looted....feel free to correct me

You just began following politics in 2015 apparently. Look, the problem of nigeria is much deeper than corruption. The system was made so that the south would perpetually be under the north. We need to reconfigure our system of government and balance some things. Our problems are far beyond corruption and looting. As for ur belief, ur entitled to it. Forget all the noise, you can never ever ever compare looting that went on in a military regime and that of a democracy, and u should know why. Why did u leave out Buhari and Gowon and even Abdusalami? Don't u knw they were even as bad as the rest of them? You, as most youths today, don't know much truth about our history. Explaining all these would be a history course on its own. You need to get conversant with ur past so u'll know where ur future should go, if not u'll become a victim of APC brainwash and propaganda.

The third guy is JP Clark; an equally renowned poet back in the day.

christopher okigbo was also good

247notire:
You just began following politics in 2015 apparently. Look, the problem of nigeria is much deeper than corruption. The system was made so that the south would perpetually be under the north. We need to reconfigure our system of government and balance some things. Our problems are far beyond corruption and looting. As for ur belief, ur entitled to it. Forget all the noise, you can never ever ever compare looting that went on in a military regime and that of a democracy, and u should know why. Why did u leave out Buhari and Gowon and even Abdusalami? Don't u knw they were even as bad as the rest of them? You, as most youths today, don't know much truth about our history. Explaining all these would be a history course on its own. You need to get conversant with ur past so u'll know where ur future should go, if not u'll become a victim of APC brainwash and propaganda.

Why are you repeating what I clearly told u....i was not born then so how should I know abt all these...thanks for your short explanation

danidee10:


Why are you repeating what I clearly told u....i was not born then so how should I know abt all these...thanks for your short explanation

How old are you sorry? No offense but u strike me as a teenager. You don't need to have been born in 1970 to know what happened in 1970, not when there are books and accounts of the civil war... U catch my drift? Learn to spend more time reading history, the rewards are immeasurable...

Intrepid01:


Caseless, BenBruce4Presdt and Frankiss44..............You all need to read Soyinka's "You must set forth at dawn"....you'll know IBB wasn't who we think he is...........Decision to kill Mamman Vatsa was vehemently opposed by IBB but Abacha insistedthey must die. Abacha was actually more powerful than IBB in the supreme military council.

I don't believe that . Even mamman vatsa's mom went to beg ibb at aso villa , he turned her down by saying , "he's not the one in charge- it's the government". She even went further to tell him he's your brother.

Even domkat Bali said there was no evidence against vatsa , but he had to obey the order.


Go and find that interview his widow granted in that documentary aired by AIT in 2011 .

mazizitonene:
and this man is still alive, always recognised, enjoying himself till tomorrow with all the atrocities he committed.....sometimes I begin to wonder.....seems being the bad guy really pays more

true!

danidee10:


Ok...thanks i wasn't born before the periods that I want to list but from what I've read and heard Let me separate the northern looters and others (the ones I know)

Shehu shagari
IBB
Abacha

Others
Obj
GEJ

Others looted but these ones here were senior men in looting

In my opinion the looted money from obj and Gej is more than what the others looted....feel free to correct me

If I catch u with this ur lopsided list.. C'mon complete the list before 1999..
Don't forget to mention Buhari.. See trick!

Wow some people later turned this thread to tribal bashing fertile ground.. Very unfortunate.

[quote author=duro4chang post=42847970]
They were not enemies.There might be some difference which is normal.[/quote I GUESS U AV NOT HEARD WERE SOYINKA ACCUSED ACHEBE OF WRITTING MARKET WOMEN LITERATURE. DAT IS AN INSULT ON D PERSONAGE OF ACHEBE

[quote author=Emmanes post=59655159][/quote]
That does not make them to be enemies.If you do somethinh which I do not approve and I oppose it xoes not make us to be enemies.We cannot all agree on every issue all the time.We disagree to agree.