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|The Atheists Test by bxcode(m): 3:14pm On Mar 09, 2016|
I stumbled upon this article recently and i felt like sharing it some of my atheist friends on this forum, am not in any way trying to condemn or judge you guys, but just to dialogue once again as i always love to do. Feel free to air your view in any possible manner. Christians are also welcomed.
The theory of evolution of the Coca Cola can.
Billions of years ago, a big bang produced a large rock. As the rock cooled, sweet brown liquid formed on its surface. As time passed, aluminum formed itself into a can, a lid, and a tab. Millions of years later, red and white paint fell from the sky, and formed itself into the words "Coca Cola 12 fluid ounces."
Of course, my theory is an insult to your intellect, because you know that if the Coca Cola can is made, there must be a maker. If it is designed, there must be a designer. The alternative, that it happened by chance or accident, is to move into an intellectual free zone.
The banana-the atheist's nightmare.
Note that the banana:
Is shaped for human hand
Has non-slip surface
Has outward indicators of inward content:
Has a tab for removal of wrapper
Is perforated on wrapper
Is shaped for human mouth
Has a point at top for ease of entry
Is pleasing to taste buds
Is curved towards the face to make eating process easy
To say that the banana happened by accident is even more unintelligent than to say that no one designed the Coca Cola can.
A. Do you know of any building that didn't have a builder?
B. Do you know of any painting that didn't have a painter?
C. Do you know of any car that didn't have a maker?
The declaration "There is no God" is what is known as an absolute statement. For an absolute statement to be true, I must have absolute knowledge.
Here is another absolute statement: "There is no gold in China."
What do I need to have for that statement to be true?
A. No knowledge of China.
B. Partial knowledge of China.
C. Absolute knowledge of China.
Perhaps you have questions that hold you back from faith. First, almost every question you have about suffering humanity etc., can be adequately answered.
Second, we have faith in plenty of things we don't understand. Did you understand the mechanics of television before you turned it on? Probably not. You took a step of faith, turned it on, and after it worked, understanding how it worked wasn't that important. We accept that there are unseen television waves right in front of our eyes. We can't see them because they are invisible. For them to manifest, we need a receiver, then we can enjoy the experience of television.
God is not flesh and blood. He is an eternal Spirit-immortal and invisible. Like the television waves, He cannot be experienced until the "receiver" is switched on. Here is something you will find hard to believe: Jesus said, "He who has My commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him" (John 14:21).
Either that is true or it isn't. Jesus Christ says that He will manifest Himself to anyone who obeys Him. Approach the subject the same way you approached your first television set. Just take a small step of faith. If it works, enjoy it, if it doesn't, forget it.
Or have you an ulterior motive? Could it be that the "atheist" can't find God, for the same reason a thief can't find a policeman? Could it be that your love for sin is clouding your good judgment? If the Bible is true, and Jesus Christ has "abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the Gospel," then you owe it to yourself just to check it out. God will never let you down. Thank you for taking the time to read this booklet.
Adapted from God Doesn't Believe in Atheists
by Ray Comfort (Bridge-Logos)—
cc:Kay17, onetrack, Speechless3, Dekatron, winner01, plaetton, johnydon22, KingEbukasBlog, OLAADEGBU, aaronson, Weah96, etc.
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|Re: The Atheists Test by Skanas(m): 3:19pm On Mar 09, 2016|
E long ooOoo...Abeg Hu fit summarize am for me....ah de feel headache
|Re: The Atheists Test by bxcode(m): 3:25pm On Mar 09, 2016|
Skanas:I no fit oo....Ah dey feel fingerache
|Re: The Atheists Test by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:21pm On Mar 09, 2016|
The banana - a sure evidence of design
Like I told JackBizzle , man was presciently designed to dexterously invent , innovate - Phones , laptops , security systems , cars , houses , games , video games etc . Works of his hand and design of his body - look around and be rest assured there is an eternal creator .
## The Logic of God and EVERYTHING
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|Re: The Atheists Test by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:38pm On Mar 09, 2016|
2. Man emulates nature but fails to admit nature was indeed designed .
1. RoboScorpion vs Scorpion
2. Robodog vs Dog
3. Artificial neuron vs human neuron
4. Man's arm vs Robot's arm
The former is described as intelligently designed but not the latter Do you see why atheism is irrational and the atheists need to understand the Logic of God and EVERYTHING ?
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|Re: The Atheists Test by onetrack(m): 7:25pm On Mar 09, 2016|
Sigh. Look up the original banana and see how it was shaped and how many seeds were in it, before artificial selection by humans turned it into the banana we see today.
And, as always, how can you be sure that this creator is the one you worship? Maybe it is Zeus or Sango or Krishna.
|Re: The Atheists Test by winner01(m): 7:32pm On Mar 09, 2016|
I think it is irrational for any human to believe that the beauty and orderliness we see all around us are unplanned and accidental.
The Bible acknowledges the obvious when it presents us with an explanation of life quite different from that espoused by Professor Dawkins and others. It presents the universe as the handiwork of a Creator.
“Whence arises all the order and beauty we see in the world?” asked Sir Isaac Newton. The question is natural, and it was asked by a believing scientist who recognized the necessity of a cause for every effect. Actions have consequences. An intricately crafted universe points to an intelligent Designer.
Albert Einstein also marveled at the order and harmony he and his fellow scientists observed throughout the universe. He noted that the religious feeling of the scientist “takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such
superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection” (The Quotable Einstein).
Cambridge University astronomy professor Martin Rees and science writer John Gribbin, discussing how finely tuned scientists have found the universe to be, noted that “the conditions in our Universe really do seem to be uniquely suitable for life forms like ourselves, and perhaps even for any form of organic complexity...Is the Universe tailor-made for man?” (Cosmic Coincidences).
Professor Davies expressed it this way: “Through my scientific work I have come to believe more and more strongly that the physical universe is put together with an ingenuity so astonishing that I cannot accept it merely as brute fact. There must, it seems to me, be a deeper level of explanation. Whether one wishes to call that deeper level ‘God’ is a matter of taste and definition...believe that we human beings are built into the scheme of things in a very basic way” (The Mind of God).
No wonder the late renowned British astrophysicist and mathematician Sir Fred Hoyle, after examining the different settings that regulate our planet and the rest of the universe, marveled: “A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with the physics, as well as the chemistry and biology [of the universe], and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature...The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question”
Although Einstein was not a christian, he couldn't fathom an uncaused universe. He put it this way: “My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God”
“Everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe - a spirit vastly superior to that of man
How did life begin? Did the earth’s vast array of life evolve from nothing? How does inert, lifeless matter become living tissue? What chemical processes transform nonliving substances into living organisms? Can these processes begin spontaneously, or do they require miraculous intervention? Can life be convincingly attributed to a super natural cause, a Giver of life?
If any human would answer these questions sincerely, they they would see where the evidence truly points irrespective of their adopted worldviews..
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|Re: The Atheists Test by winner01(m): 7:45pm On Mar 09, 2016|
onetrack:I love puma. It would be irrational and dishonest for me to deny the existence of puma because of fuma.
Its something to acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Creator, Its another thing to know Who this Supreme Creator is. Take it one step at a time my friend.
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|Re: The Atheists Test by asalimpo(m): 8:01pm On Mar 09, 2016|
Some attribute creation to an inanimate thing like time! Now,that's really stretching it.
|Re: The Atheists Test by Nobody: 8:03pm On Mar 09, 2016|
@op. May God bless you for this analogy.
But I have been thinking... What if the banana was created for anal penetration. I mean the inward curvature gives it a strong grip on the anus giving more pleasure than would a joystick. The smooth skin makes it easy to penetrate without causing any discomfort whatever. Also, the banana while green has a 'handle' making it possible to pullout in a situation were the banana slides all the way through.
Surely, Yahweh in His infinite wisdom designed the BANANA........................For Anal Sex.
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|Re: The Atheists Test by winner01(m): 8:13pm On Mar 09, 2016|
timonski:This guy, I no no which one you dey. A little here, a little there. Are you like the sand that is carried wherever the wind goes?
|Re: The Atheists Test by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:32pm On Mar 09, 2016|
Thank you for this bro , took the words outta my mouth . A weak circumvention by the atheists when posed with the reality of a Supreme creator is to insinuate there is none because there are many creators presented by different religions - how irrational ! .
Acknowledging the existence of a Supreme Creator is a huge step in determining who the Supreme Creator is .
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|Re: The Atheists Test by onetrack(m): 8:43pm On Mar 09, 2016|
Einstein, by the way, was more into Spinoza's vision of a god, in other words the universe as god itself. I can't really argue with that as it does not imply that god is some evil scientist as he is portrayed in the Abrahamic texts, a view that I categorically reject.
And even if there was a creator, there is know way to know if this creator is even aware of us (maybe we are a by-product of some experiment and we are in the rubbish bin), or if this creator is dead. Maybe he died during the big bang.
I remain agnostic with regard to knowledge of any god (though my lack of belief classifies me as atheist), but adamant that religion is man-made.
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|Re: The Atheists Test by Kay17: 8:44pm On Mar 09, 2016|
I think it is irrational for any human to believe that the beauty and orderliness we see all around us are unplanned
Each and everytime you say that, you should add except The Supreme Creator
|Re: The Atheists Test by Nobody: 9:05pm On Mar 09, 2016|
winner01:Who knows? I may be a Schizo :p
|Re: The Atheists Test by Weah96: 1:29am On Mar 10, 2016|
I ask you to demonstrate the imaginary deity and you point to a banana. SMH. In the Bible, Thomas asked the same question, and nobody offered him any fruit or vegetable to analyze. He witnessed a man die, he doubted that the dead man spirit was popping up in his absence, he expressed his doubt to the human beings making the claim, and the message was passed on to the dead man spirit. The rest you know.
Why is it that every time I ask for a demonstration, you guys point to food items? OK, observe the coconut. Does it look easy to open? Why is it different from the banana with the easily removable skin? You point to the easy skin of the banana, to prove that it was designed to be eaten by us. What about the tough coconut? Bushmeat? Could you capture a bush animal for food if you had to?
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|Re: The Atheists Test by Weah96: 1:41am On Mar 10, 2016|
Has anyone disagreed that life has an origin? The universe clearly came from something. If you want to call that something a supreme creator, that's your business. Nobody cares about your choice of vocabulary. If you like you can even call that something Jesus, or Yahweh.
What you choose to call the something that we all came from is IRRELEVANT. I do have an issue with you telling me that you SPOKE with it, or that you know someone who SPOKE to it. When I question you, you give me a book to read.
That's a problem. Different groups around the world are employing the same strategy today. If I question ISIS about speaking to the creator, they too have a book. Books don't prove that kind of claim. Paul wrote half of the Bible. Do you know what it took before he believed?
It wasn't a banana. He would have cut off your head. Hahaha.
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|Re: The Atheists Test by koonbey(m): 7:37am On Mar 10, 2016|
That is my fundamental question. I have not met anybody from any religion that is able to say exactly why their book should be taken as true, while the others are rejected.
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|Re: The Atheists Test by bxcode(m): 8:49am On Mar 10, 2016|
KingEbukasBlog:I concur with this your analogy.
timonski:Perversed sense of reasoning. What relationship does a banana(food crop) have with your genitals? Can't you see that your thinking has been messed up big time? Or are you of the opinion that this your thinking is perfectly in place?
Clear your thoughts sir.
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|Re: The Atheists Test by bxcode(m): 9:09am On Mar 10, 2016|
[quote author=onetrack post=43627506]Your angle of perspective is quite distorted, you sound more like a skeptic who inwardly knows that God exists, but wants to identify with the view points of atheists, even tho you are not fully convinced about the theories they postulate. God died during the big bang? Am hearing this for the first time, that's a whole new line of thought entirely, trying to juxtapose God and big bang theory is really......i don't even know what to call it
Agnosticism is the for me the worst belief system or line of thought. You know why?
|Re: The Atheists Test by bxcode(m): 9:20am On Mar 10, 2016|
Weah96:The reason why simple instances is normally used is because more often than not, atheist have this mindset that since its about God, the explanation and proof must have to be glorious and mind blowing for it to suit God's personality. But based on experiences and studies, it has come to the notice of many that God is actually not into showmanship and flouting his splendor anyhow, he uses the simple and less pronounced things of this world to describe his true nature, humility personified. Bringing down your imagination to the level of food items is also to convey that same message. Its that simple. The kingdom of God is akin to a mustard seed, which to many wont make any sense because of the perceptions they have about God.
|Re: The Atheists Test by bxcode(m): 9:23am On Mar 10, 2016|
Weah96:So if the universe came from something actually, in your opinion what could that thing be?
|Re: The Atheists Test by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:25am On Mar 10, 2016|
I ask the atheists to show me why the universe needs no creator .... till now no reply
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|Re: The Atheists Test by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:29am On Mar 10, 2016|
You talk like we care if you dont accept the plethora of evidence we present . You need to wake up to reality . I tackle the atheists because they laugh at my beliefs but cant present the evidence for their unbelief
Now do you see the problem
|Re: The Atheists Test by bxcode(m): 9:29am On Mar 10, 2016|
koonbey:The bible is the only book that talks about the risen Messiah in the person of Jesus. The founders of other religion as documented in their books are dead and extinct.
The bible is infallible in all ramification and it is God's word. But you also know that even TRUTH can be perverted by men in other to suit their selfish motives.
|Re: The Atheists Test by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:39am On Mar 10, 2016|
@Weah96 ... The biggest undeniable evidence of the Supreme Creator is His coming to take charge for ever and ever . If you feel its delusion , then you provide irrefutable proof that the universe needs no creator .
Honestly , why haven't you provided facts to prove your unbelief . Since you mock christians for providing fruits as proof . Can you refute my post below . Why is this so ?
|Re: The Atheists Test by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:31am On Mar 10, 2016|
I wanted to see and witness the thrill of the magical transformation of apes to man , dinosaurs to birds , but I was told to order biology textboooks . I wanted a 3-D documentary tho
Ifenes claims the anunnaki roamed the earth in the early times . I asked him for proof and I was directed to a search engine
Do you realise that the same process - seeking knowledge in books - was what I was directed to do . I asked the atheists to do same with the bible and I'm being ridiculed
Why are you guys a bunch of clowns
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|Re: The Atheists Test by kazyhm(m): 12:31pm On Mar 10, 2016|
if I join this, it won't end today, not in a thousand years from now.
the problem starts when "they" started painting "GOD" as an emotional entity also as a very bias commander
why is the Israelites rated above the Palestines according to Christians and Palestines above Christians according to the Muslims ?
remember its the same "GOD" that inspired the two books.
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|Re: The Atheists Test by johnydon22(m): 1:37pm On Mar 10, 2016|
|Re: The Atheists Test by winner01(m): 1:42pm On Mar 10, 2016|
KingEbukasBlog:An atheist will agree with you that these artificially created items were seriously and carefully planned and created.
And none of mans creations even comes close to the real thing, yet atheists will have us believe that somehow, these extremely complex creations don't need a Creator.
Worse is, they pass it off as Logic. and maybe science (as cloudgoddess and other hardcore pseudoscientists do).
|Re: The Atheists Test by LoJ: 1:44pm On Mar 10, 2016|
johnydon22:bro, are you free from the ban
|Re: The Atheists Test by winner01(m): 1:48pm On Mar 10, 2016|
Weah96:Interesting. You demand the same 'fate' Thomas had. Somehow you think Thomas was the only one who doubted the resurrection of Jesus. Think about that.
Plus Thomas died a long time ago, its amazing you dont demand the same 'fate' Aliko Dangote has. I'm sure you've never seen the kind of money he has. Do you then disbelieve in wealth?
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