Shollyps:
why do you theist like dragging people down your mess..telling atheist ..you know deep down inside you DAT god exist?...does that make sense to you?
its like me telling you ..you know deep down inside you that god doesn't exist..but you just keep on believing because of fear or indoctrination
...atheist don't believe in gods existence... is that too hard for you to comprehend?

bxcode:

What observations if I may ask? Point it out clearly with succinct examples.

KingEbukasBlog:


brother ... dont be deceived ... WE DONT CARE WHAT YOU BELIEVE ... just dont subject my belief to derision and we are cool . Dont claim yours is a rational stance when you can't provide a single evidence that the universe needs no creator . Is that hard to comprehend ?

ValentineMary:

If u can't afford text books, trying downloading free pdf files. There are countless materials on the internet. I am not paid to educate u.

johnydon22:


Again you are shifting the burden of proof from you the claimant to the person who is doubting your claim.

If i claim there is a blue diamond unicorn tied to my room now the onus is on me to prove the unicorn actually exists not the person who may doubt it... if i can't then my claim is nothing more than just a claim..

You are the one making the claims for a "god" who somehow cannot speak or prove itself but rely on humans and ancient outdate books, it is on you to prove it not ask the person who doubt it to prove it..

Belief is not exactly same as certainty so once everyone stops trying to heap their beliefs as a universal truth then everyone is cool.

when everyone stop disturbing others with banging shouts virtually everywhere literally forcing down their beliefs down others throat then we are all good.

But once you force these beliefs down others throat they are expected to throw it back at you..

Is that hard to comprehend?

winner01:
If there was proof of God's non-existence, it would be on the lips of every atheist.

johnydon22:


WTF ... Read up that string explanation again....

KingEbukasBlog:


Simple : Prove the universe needs no creator and we are the deluded ones . According to Winner01 , succinctly

KingEbukasBlog:


Are you mess.ing kidding me ... how does the string explanation show how natural process derived the propensity for their functionalities ?

Tellemall:


Tell him yourself. He saw what you typed. He knows all. Speak and He will hear.

johnydon22:


Now the problem lies in your comprehension. Maybe you should leave computers for a while and pay a little mind to Natural sciences..

johnydon22:


Hahahahahaha If there is a proof for the non-existence of blue diamond unicorn it would be on my lips too.

Once you claim is unmeasurable, not feasible, unfalsifiable, imperceivable, you are swimming in your assumptions.

I have a pink flying horse tied to my bed post now... Now prove that i don't

Your lack of proof for your god is enough proof for anybody to dismiss your claim...

Like the saying goes extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary proof..

So are you just going to provide proof for it or keep asking people who doubt your assumptions to disprove it?

For someone who is having a personal relationship with it, i wonder why this is hard

It has become so unprovable that you resort to the laughable logical fallacy of Burden of proof reversal... asking someone to disprove your unproven claims ..lol

KingEbukasBlog:


But brother ... the truth remains ...whatever you meant ... its a theory with no proof ... or else you have videos or images of such processes occurring to back up your claims .

KingEbukasBlog:


I have provided proof which you have blatantly rejected . So provide yours for scrutiny

ValentineMary:

If u can't afford text books, trying downloading free pdf files. There are countless materials on the internet. I am not paid to educate u.

Tellemall:


I've asked one of them before and two of them responded saying that such is beyond the realm of science to prove.

Most atheists know facts but keep dragging out their belief in disbelief.

Well, good luck to you if you want to continue with them. This thread is like their paradise. They've had decades of disbelief and need some more. Don't try to stop them. If they need evidence, what happens at the end will be the evidence.

johnydon22:


Hahahahaha proof of natural reactions? ... WTF that's all around you sir.. we did these basic experiments in Secondary school even.

The most fundamental particle of every thing is not the atom, nope the atom is even too big.

The most fundamental particle is what science name String tens of millions of times smaller than an atom ..you have to split the atoms deeply.

So strings are vibrating strands and every element or even other particles has different level of string vibration, so once two distinct elements like Hydrogen (H) and Oxygen (O) comes in contact there is a chaotic reaction due to their differences in vibration.

and from these chaotic reaction comes the result (H₂O)

Modern physics is no longer looking at the macro world to understand the mysteries of the universe but rather they are beginning to understand that the most fundamental part of the universe holds the keys to it's mysteries.

Just like a little equation E=MC² explained almost every mechanism of the macro world, scientists are looking at the micro world (strings) to finally provide a substantiative explanation of everything.

In string theory it is called the Theory of everything... Only study can take us out of the caves not personal systems of belief.

Platos allegory of the caves... we must overcome naive impressions ..

johnydon22:


Hahahahahahaha what a marvelous claim oh sorry proof that was

You point at artificial entities to assert nature (organic entities) must also need design

Yes that's a cool proof, i like the way rubber flower shows biological flowers were designed..

We talking nature here it has shown it doesn't need an assembly line ... Marvelous proof brother..

Just like I can also tell you that the proof of the pink flying horse tied to my bedpost is the existence of real horses ... Common!!!

KingEbukasBlog:


Ok .. Ive heard you ... so where is your evidence that the universe needs no creator ?

Kay17:


Because of the absurdity of the Universe requiring a Creator. If the Universe had a Creator, then there must be a point where nothing but the Creator existed. Now if nothing existed, then the Creator must have had to create the Universe from a pit of Nothing!

Which is ridiculous and daft.

Also since time is part of the Universe, then there can not be a creation before the Universe because that would mean an event of creation flows into another event of fruition which implies time passage!

Kay17:


Also since time is part of the Universe, then there can not be a creation before the Universe because that would mean an event of creation flows into another event of fruition which implies time passage!

KingEbukasBlog:


The creator is impervious to time and its effects - transition , change , whatever !

cloudgoddess:


If I recall correctly I posted evidence of the big bang in this thread: https://www.nairaland.com/2947486/why-atheists-attack-mostly-christians/8 and you ignored it. Two very simple to understand, clearly-written out websites, one of them being NASA's original page.

Here is a short animated video explaining big bang that an elementary student could understand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNDGgL73ihY

And a similar one for evolution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOfRN0KihOU

Lastly, 7 common myths on evolution debunked (many which most if not all nairaland christians likely hold). including "humans evolved from monkeys", and "evolution is just a theory"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFHOLe29hEk

All of this information, on the big bang and on evolution, is available FREELY on the internet from sources like Stanford, Harvard, Princeton, Columbia, and basic children's education sites. It is almost overwhelming the vast amount of information there is and how laughably easy it is to find, and from so many well-researched, well-funded, reputable sites and well-known universities. But you will not research it because you don't want to, and even when it is posted easily for you on Nairaland, you ignore it. That is no fault of ours.

cloudgoddess:


If I recall correctly I posted evidence of the big bang in this thread: https://www.nairaland.com/2947486/why-atheists-attack-mostly-christians/8 and you ignored it. Two very simple to understand, clearly-written out websites, one of them being NASA's original page.

Here is a short animated video explaining big bang that an elementary student could understand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNDGgL73ihY

And a similar one for evolution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOfRN0KihOU

Lastly, 7 common myths on evolution debunked (many which most if not all nairaland christians likely hold). including "humans evolved from monkeys", and "evolution is just a theory"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFHOLe29hEk

All of this information, on the big bang and on evolution, is available FREELY on the internet from sources like Stanford, Harvard, Princeton, Columbia, and basic children's education sites. It is almost overwhelming the vast amount of information there is and how laughably easy it is to find, and from so many well-researched, well-funded, reputable sites and well-known universities. But you will not research it because you don't want to, and even when it is posted easily for you on Nairaland, you ignore it. That is no fault of ours.

KingEbukasBlog:


The creator is impervious to time and its effects - transition , change , whatever !

Weah96:


Yea? And according to science the creator is smaller than the period at the end of this sentence, and it possessed unlimited mass. This can only mean that it was traveling at the speed of light, or close to it.

bxcode:

Seriously? Oh my word!
How can you believe succinctly what they told you happened billions of years ago without involving faith? Is there any of these observable evidence that you can point to today since scientific facts are based on test and observation.
Anyway, I respect what you believe in. Hope your day was nice.

johnydon22:


Hahahahahaha "God did it" will always be receding in the face of scientific truths, even some Christian sects has modified their doctrines to reconcile with evolution.
even when i an atheist is still maintaining an "agnostic" stance as regards evolution and giving time for more studies and observations to be made the Christian sects already agreed with it..

doesn't that tell you something?

Evolution didn't do it anyway, evolution is a process not a source it's just development

cloudgoddess:

Who said anything about belief? That is your turf. When there is evidence involved, the only options are to accept, or reject the evidence. You are rejecting it on the basis of religious indoctrination. I am accepting it, on the basis that it makes sense.

Cut the pretentious act as if you even clicked a single one of the links. You clearly watched none of the videos, because they each give multiple pieces of evidence, ranging from DNA sequences, microwaves detected by satellite, the composition of faraway stars, fossils, antibiotic resistance, the fruits of artificial selection, etc. Proving exactly what I said earlier, you will ignore any evidence I, or anyone else posts because you do not want to see it. You are committed to defending your religion regardless to what information is given to you. And since you have made that clear, there is no discussion to even be had here. You are wasting everyone's time and your own.

Tellemall:


I'm sorry, but you're so "smart" and "educated" that I don't really read anything you say. I simply quote you and say what I want to say.

You told me I was uneducated etc, so why do you constantly follow my posts? Why are you still so sore? Why don't you follow smart atheists about? In line with your assumptions about me , I'm not obliged to pay you any heed.

cloudgoddess:

Makes exaggerated self-victimizing claims to once again avoid acknowledging the evidence that has been presented to her multiple times now.

It's obvious you have no interest in learning anything. What's the point of claiming no one brings evidence, and then ignoring it any time they do? Then crying that someone is bullying you because you refuse to educate yourself, something you yourself have proven. Stop wasting people's time.

cloudgoddess:

Makes exaggerated self-victimizing claims to once again avoid acknowledging the evidence that has been presented to her multiple times now.

It's obvious you have no interest in learning anything. What's the point of claiming no one brings evidence, and then ignoring it any time they do? Then crying that someone is bullying you because you refuse to educate yourself, something you yourself have proven. Stop wasting people's time.

Tellemall:



"Crying" another one of your favorite words. The trail continues.

"Bullying" Lol.
OK. "Victimization". Hahaga.

You are wasting your time.

You think I'm female? Lol.

Some pretty dense assumptions. Who told you that you could educate me? In knowing everything you know nothing..