TheSuperNerd:
So you only chose to reply this one huh? After schooling you on your lies on K.Nwakali not being ever named among the top 100 teens ba? I told you he made Marca's Top 50 in 2017 but ofcos you stylishly and shamefully will not quote that one ehn?

Everything you have spilled... And I mean everything you have reeled out on that kid is a lie. You always try to sound right but mister, YOU ARE WRONG. Your views on our Nigerian youth grade graduates are almost always in the negative. It stinks and I will have none of it flying around without some counters.



Me calling you liar is based on so many things mister "Southgate" like your lies on K.Nwakali and your deceitfully cunning way of stating half truths and running with silly selective analyses.
All season Kayode also had a poor goal return and you refuse to call that poor... But with Nacho... You are quick to say Poor... Is that not the height of hypocrisy and selective analysis? This rubbish of yours better be curtailed mister because I know exactly who you are and what you do. I did my homework man but i respect people's privacy. Just stick to what you know and stop polluting the thread with your half truths syndrome. It stinks so bad honestly.


And yes on this league rating... You lied! I recall your use of Europe big five and also Europe's top seven many aeons ago on this thread. When we talk Europe's Big Seven... There is no Ukraine. There is huge difference between 7 and 8... And it is 1. 1 is the different between failure and pass in secondary schools man... Just one mark or one thing or one decision can decide a man's fate. So ONE is very huge. Deal with it.


And I repeat... Kayode does not merit a place on the final list of 30 above Ighalo, Iheanacho, Ahmed Musa, Simon Moses, Alex Iwobi, Victor Moses and Simy Nwankwo. All these guys did it in bigger leagues than Kayode and against high quality oppositions.

Ofcos China is not bigger than Ukraine... but we know who Ighalo is to the team. The team's top no.9 and has done his thing in the EPL and most importantly... he is still on song in China... Also Simon Moses is in Belgium which is below Ukraine but he earns his place as he is a winger and has proven himself in the GWG.. kayode is a 9 and yes... he has not been given enough games to show his stuff in the GWG but this is because of other forwards ahead of him... his time will come. Patience is key.

All (ofcos Chinese league is not done yet) finished their seasons very strong.


All except Simy have proven themselves in the GWG and are all way ahead of Kayode in the national team set up...

Simy edged Kayode simply because he brings something different with his height plus style of play and also because he was doing the deed and finished strongly in the Serie A unlike Kayode who also finished very strongly but was doing it in Ukraine.

Serie A >>>>> Ukraine. You cannot compare the quality of both leagues.

What about Ebere Paul Onuachu who outscored all Nigerian forwards in Europe? Why wasn't he picked or called up? No one is talking about him... But why should we? He is in Denmark... Kayode's Ukraine is even way way way ahead of the Danish League.

All these things have to do with "IMPACT FACTORS"... Every league has an impact factor... If I am able to score 10 goals with 11 assists and put in some strong performances in the danish league... There is no way it can be compared to the impact factor of another who scored 5 goals with 5 assists in the LA liga..... Impact factor is the key and this is why Kayode does not edge anyone on that list

Rohr picked Simy and justifiably so because he has already seen Kayode a couple of times in training and believes in Simy he can see something different... If Simy fails...then that is his f**king cup of tea.

He only would have edged out Lokosa but unfortunately Lokosa on the local front was doing things even better than what Stephen Odey was doing last season in the NPFL. Rohr and his crew just had to recognise the man, Junior Lokosa because his stats for a forward on the local front was staggering. Ofcos in terms of impact factors... Kayode's 3 goals edges... But fact is... Lokosa is based in Nigeria and the issue of giving the local players a chance with the team is always constant. Lokosa would never have been called up had his goal stats not been way up there in the NPFL (18goals in 21 games before his invite). This is why Lokosa had to be included... For the local front's sake. But the others in the forward positions all edged out Kayode on pure merit.

This is why I find your stance on insisting Kayode deserves a chance in the list of 30 very very funny considering his goals return all season.

Forgiveness, when trying to give us a breakdown of some of the forwards' stats all season in all comps... He did something very very funny... (egbon forgiveness... You know it because I caught you...)

Forgiveness gave us Kayode's goals stats for only his time at Shahktar ( a half season stats)

Then he dropped goals stats for Nacho and Simy for the entire season... and wanted is to do comparison... That is utterly unfair analysis.

See... You and Forgiveness agree on a lot of things and ofcos I know why..... But at least... Try to be holistically balanced in your analyses... Coz it irritates me so much to see so many half truths flying around here. It annoys me.

We won't build the best Super Eagles based on half truths. We will build it based on full and very balanced truths.

I personally don't want Kayode in Ukraine... I want him in a top 5 league. I hope Ukraine can only launch him into a top five league. I have followed that lad from 2009 U-17s where he wore the No.10 shirt as a very lively striker. Ajagun wore no.9 but was a midfielder.

Both players caught my eyes and I have been excited about them even more than I was about Onazi. Onazi was not even a prominent feature in that 2009 team. He was mostly benched.

I have a dream of a Really Super, Super Eagles side and want the best in every position lined up for us from the regulars to the bench to the fringes and to the prospects. I Dont f**king care what a player is called or where he is from so long as he can ball and has those footballing qualities,skills and attributes to make us really great.

This is part of why I don't appreciate when some of us here take the dirty path of rubbishing another player to promote another. Egbon Forgiveness, forgive me... But you do that a lot without knowing it. I understand your passion as well... But you really must learn and try to apply calm and balanced analytical approaches to things like this.

When you clamoured for Bryan Idowu, And even brought up Tyrone Ebuehi... I did my homework and found out that indeed we have quality prospects in those two... And here they are in the team. So relax... Those two are just two of several you spoke about... I remember also mentioning a few from time to time from way back... Sir Tbaba1234 also will spot some and mention... and we all will begin following. So far so good... Some are in... But some are still yet to get a chance... But time is still coming.

I know you want to see the best of The Super Eagles but you must stop the mentality of rubbishing some players who are actually quality because of those you feel and you passionately desire to have on the team. I understand we all have favorites and it is okay... But for me... You as a player become among my favorites when I see what your abilities, traits and footballing attributes bring to the Super Eagles for the present and for the long run too.

For example, I love Isaac Success so much that I spoke out against how Komekn called him a waste man... But when the 30-man list was released... And some on twitter were cursing Rohr for not including Success... I laughed and said they are on drugs. because I know the truth.
But guess what... I still believe in Isaac Success' talents... I call him the beast and I hope he can get his acts together and rise up to fulfill his huge potentials.

Let this half truths nonsense stop. If we must analyse. We must do it ly and holistically and not comparing one's half season stats with another 's full season stats.

And we must be ready to use same indices of arguments and ratings for all our players... Not today Komekn says A when judging Iheanacho and will switch to B when judging Tammy Abraham... It is so so funny and amateurish... And we must accept that some leagues are just way bigger than others. Impact factor counts a lot. This is why even after K.Nwakali's outstanding showing against Atletico... I have been against anyone bringing up talk of his calls to the Super Eagles for Russia. Ofcos Rohr won't even do it even if we all say he should ne called up... But I had to take the right stand and say... "Let the boy grow... His time will still come but he has shown us he is indeed one for the future."


This is World cup Season... We must want the best for this team and stop polluting this thread with wrong perspectives on our players or running with half truths... This is the time for Truth to be spilled in its fullness.

No selective analysis biko. Thank you.

forgiveness:


Hahahahahaha! You are trying very hard to discredit the quality of Shakhtar Donetsk because they play in the Ukrainian league.

Are you saying because Shakhtar Donetsk plays in the Ukrainian league they are below clubs in the Seria A, Ligue 1, La Liga, Bundesliga and EPL?

If yes, Did Shakhtar Donetsk had impact factor on Manchester City, Napoli and Roma which are currently the best teams in the EPL and Seria A?

If yes, why?

However, what was the Brazilian coach thinking for choosing two players from the lowly Ukrainian league, Taison and Fred ahead of Williams Joe who scored 15 goals in the La Liga and Malcom who 12 in the Ligue 1? Remember these are in the top 5 leagues in the world.

Well, my own personal opinion is the two are playing in a bigger and better club with a winning mentality. The impact factor is the winning mentality.


Perhaps, the coach preference. EOD

So, let us rest it.


However, I don't understand what you mean by that bolded. It's not true because I posted Kayode's full season though one game was still outstanding and I did the same for others. The only mistake I made was the one assist which I immediately acknowledged was not adding Kelechi's one assist. Nothing more.

This is the snapshot of what I posted and the current Kayode's full season after he played the one match left.

What is the difference?

So, where is the half truth?

Besides, if I rubbish any player, can you please show how I did that?

In my own personal opinion, I also think you rubbish some players knowingly or unknowingly.

Anyway, let us move on.

forgiveness:


Hahahahahaha! You are trying very hard to discredit the quality of Shakhtar Donetsk because they play in the Ukrainian league.

Are you saying because Shakhtar Donetsk plays in the Ukrainian league they are below clubs in the Seria A, Ligue 1, La Liga, Bundesliga and EPL?

If yes, Did Shakhtar Donetsk had impact factor on Manchester City, Napoli and Roma which are currently the best teams in the EPL and Seria A?

If yes, why?

However, what was the Brazilian coach thinking for choosing two players from the lowly Ukrainian league, Taison and Fred ahead of Williams Joe who scored 15 goals in the La Liga and Malcom who 12 in the Ligue 1? Remember these are in the top 5 leagues in the world.

Well, my own personal opinion is the two are playing in a bigger and better club with a winning mentality. The impact factor is the winning mentality.


Perhaps, the coach preference. EOD

So, let us rest it.


However, I don't understand what you mean by that bolded. It's not true because I posted Kayode's full season though one game was still outstanding and I did the same for others. The only mistake I made was the one assist which I immediately acknowledged was not adding Kelechi's one assist. Nothing more.

This is the snapshot of what I posted and the current Kayode's full season after he played the one match left.

What is the difference?

So, where is the half truth?

Besides, if I rubbish any player, can you please show how I did that?

In my own personal opinion, I also think you rubbish some players knowingly or unknowingly.

Anyway, let us move on.

ykalhaji:
Which one be all this arguement now ? The truth is that everyone on this thread is a tribalist. To be human is to be a tribalist. Now being a tribalist and domineering is the problem. Some people here love Kelechi Iheanacho and Eastern sounding name Super Eagles players die, Forgiveness did not call them tribalist oooo. Imagine people asking for Onyekuru who had a season ending injury to be invited to play in the world cup ? Or Kelechi Nwakali who in my opinion is a super talent but had never being invited by Rohr even for meaningless friendlies to be invited to go to Russia against all their previous arguement that ;

1) Coach knows best.

2) Players should be selected based on pedigree of competition they face in their clubs (League rating and division)

3) Team cohesion and chemistry (Rohr's is sticking with the team that qualified us)

4) Already entrenched players to play that position in the team.

Forgiveness's initial issue was the waste space given to Lokossa, asking why Kayode was not given that space, which in all honesty makes sense or would you say Lokossa is a better gamble than Kayode?

A lot of folks during this forgiveness and tribalist arguement have contradicted themselves. We are Nigerians, we have our blindspots and we also have our angle of viewing issues.

ykalhaji:
Which one be all this arguement now ? The truth is that everyone on this thread is a tribalist. To be human is to be a tribalist. .

ykalhaji:
Which one be all this arguement now ? The truth is that everyone on this thread is a tribalist. To be human is to be a tribalist. Now being a tribalist and domineering is the problem. Some people here love Kelechi Iheanacho and Eastern sounding name Super Eagles players die, Forgiveness did not call them tribalist oooo. Imagine people asking for Onyekuru who had a season ending injury to be invited to play in the world cup ? Or Kelechi Nwakali who in my opinion is a super talent but had never being invited by Rohr even for meaningless friendlies to be invited to go to Russia against all their previous arguement that ;

1) Coach knows best.

2) Players should be selected based on pedigree of competition they face in their clubs (League rating and division)

3) Team cohesion and chemistry (Rohr's is sticking with the team that qualified us)

4) Already entrenched players to play that position in the team.

Forgiveness's initial issue was the waste space given to Lokossa, asking why Kayode was not given that space, which in all honesty makes sense or would you say Lokossa is a better gamble than Kayode ?

A lot of folks during this forgiveness and tribalist arguement have contradicted themselves. We are Nigerians, we have our blindspots and we also have our angle of viewing issues.

TheSuperNerd:
Mikel on Rohr, the friendlies and the team's underdog status


“With due respect to the other coaches who I have had the priviledge of working under, Gernot Rohr has had the most profound impact on the team. He’s brought a new work ethic, discipline and positive energy and a new way of doing things professionally,” Tianjin Teda star Mikel said.

“I missed the last two friendly games due to visa issues but I’m here now and the preparation is in top gear,” Mikel added.

“We lost against Serbia due to some mistakes but they are not major things that cannot be rectified. We are working on them and I’m sure this team will come out stronger. I’m optimistic about this team and I know we will do well at the World Cup. We just have to be focused and disciplined. We have to go in as underdogs but we must prove that we are as good as any team on the day.”


Source: CSN.

TheSuperNerd:
The second bolded had already been addressed by myself, Sir Tbaba1234 and a few others. Lokosa is in no bloody way better as a footballer than Kayode. But because of his goals stats in the NPFL and as a local player doing so, Rohr had to ride on courtesy and extend him an invitation. The issue of encouraging the hardwork of our local lads has always been a constant in our national team. If Rohr didn't invite a player having 18 goals in 21 games in the NPFL... It would be termed a big injustice and also said that he doesn't seek to help encourage the local lads.

So it was not for ability that Lokosa was picked but for his goals stats on the local front which, even you must confess, is too good to be ignored.

And uhmm... Who is even taking K.Nwakali seriously as regards Russia? Are you guys just making this up or what? It is agreed by most here that he cannot be included in the squad and for obvious reasons. He still lacks the experience to function at that level. Super Talented, he is but he needs to still mature.

And sorry... I don't agree with the first bolded. Speak for yourself. Some or even several of us here are certainly not tribalists. It is the truth.

Martz101:


your first paragraph is not right, you have barely watch lokosa play, how do you know his not better than kayode.

I want to believe in Rohr and his decision not because i love all his decision but because is his job and he will take responsibility of it and we truly can't change nothing. all we need to do now is support them .

Martz101:


your first paragraph is not right, you have barely watch lokosa play, how do you know his not better than kayode.

I want to believe in Rohr and his decision not because i love all his decision but because is his job and he will take responsibility of it and we truly can't change nothing. all we need to do now is support them .

tbaba1234:

This Team A na Ojoro
Ofcourse, they will win..
Mikel, Joel Obi and Etebo
Then Awaziem Omeruo Shehu Idowu defence
Na full team

Martz101:


your first paragraph is not right, you have barely watch lokosa play, how do you know his not better than kayode.

I want to believe in Rohr and his decision not because i love all his decision but because is his job and he will take responsibility of it and we truly can't change nothing. all we need to do now is support them .

Humility017:

Lol....

ykalhaji:
Which one be all this arguement now ? The truth is that everyone on this thread is a tribalist. To be human is to be a tribalist. Now being a tribalist and domineering is the problem. Some people here love Kelechi Iheanacho and Eastern sounding name Super Eagles players die, Forgiveness did not call them tribalist oooo. Imagine people asking for Onyekuru who had a season ending injury to be invited to play in the world cup ? Or Kelechi Nwakali who in my opinion is a super talent but had never being invited by Rohr even for meaningless friendlies to be invited to go to Russia against all their previous arguement that ;

1) Coach knows best.

2) Players should be selected based on pedigree of competition they face in their clubs (League rating and division)

3) Team cohesion and chemistry (Rohr's is sticking with the team that qualified us)

4) Already entrenched players to play that position in the team.

Forgiveness's initial issue was the waste space given to Lokossa, asking why Kayode was not given that space, which in all honesty makes sense or would you say Lokossa is a better gamble than Kayode ?

A lot of folks during this forgiveness and tribalist arguement have contradicted themselves. We are Nigerians, we have our blindspots and we also have our angle of viewing issues.

TheSuperNerd:


My brother even me sef weak when I see Team A. Midfield generals full dia naa... Ball holders... Bad asses...how dem wan lose kwanu?

I was like....

Icon4s:


Oga, do you understand FIFA rules concerning submission of provisional list and players selection at all?

Naijaphobia:
Wetin super eagles guys do wey them punish them say make them kneel down, hands up and close their eyes.If I see VicMo there then I know say them dey punish late comers. Ejoor sir! Please forgive.
.

Humility017:


oga icon please forgive me....
you know how he dey be sometimes even when you don get wetin you want your eye go still dey outside.
well....I hope for the best.

you said something sometime...ago...that the heir apparent to Mikel's role in the midfield... is nwakali.... now it is becoming real....I pray he keeps growing.

tbaba1234:
Gernot Rohr on the call for Nwakali:

“You cannot say that we should take some players after the holiday match against Atletico. They came with a second team and the plan was to see them for the future. I have no regrets with my selection.

“My real regret is that people talk about players not on the list than those on the list. This is not fair as we have many interesting players on that team as well”,

charlesemeka85:
KELECHI NWAKALI IS MIKEL'S NATURAL SUCCESSOR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTtajGASa6U

TheSuperNerd:
Mikel on Rohr, the friendlies and the team's underdog status


“With due respect to the other coaches who I have had the priviledge of working under, Gernot Rohr has had the most profound impact on the team. He’s brought a new work ethic, discipline and positive energy and a new way of doing things professionally,” Tianjin Teda star Mikel said.

“I missed the last two friendly games due to visa issues but I’m here now and the preparation is in top gear,” Mikel added.

“We lost against Serbia due to some mistakes but they are not major things that cannot be rectified. We are working on them and I’m sure this team will come out stronger. I’m optimistic about this team and I know we will do well at the World Cup. We just have to be focused and disciplined. We have to go in as underdogs but we must prove that we are as good as any team on the day.”


Source: CSN.