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Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:05pm On Apr 08, 2016
mekaboy:


Are the less than 1 year people aliens? did they come from heaven? Are the not the one that refused to save because they wanted to use to money to sponsor the election of the confused government they put in power?

What about Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala who said she collected the money to save and then withdrew from the money without appropriation? Is she not the one that caused the Governors to demand for the money for their States if she was going to use the money without appropriation?

She broke the trust and Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala caused the Governors not to trust her. Well, I can not trust money with that woman.
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by aresa: 4:08pm On Apr 08, 2016
wirinet:
But madam world bank told us a different story in January 2015. She told us to prepare for austerity and that 2015 would be s very difficult year.




They actually think we have amnesia or have zero clue how we get to bad economy abd what we are going through today.

They obviously were aware the damage they did hence letting us know that suffering is heading our way..

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Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by Geniro: 4:11pm On Apr 08, 2016
jpphilips:



The guy in your quote is educating you on increased government spending to spur economic growth during recession and you are talking about increasing fraud?
Are you sure you finished SS3?

Another zombie on the prowl. It is common knowledge that the "budget of fraud" was reeked with outrageous allocations hence the 6 trillion feast figures.

You don't mega pad figures to spur the economy.

You want to spur the economy yet the propaganda machinery of the presidency was given more value than the Agricultural sector.

Are you a baby ?
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by mekaboy(m): 4:11pm On Apr 08, 2016
obailala:


Economics 101:
Investors do not go to a society where there is no money. There is a reason why foreign investors would prefer a Nigeria over Chad or Togo as their investment destination, it is because there is so much money to be made in Nigeria. With the drastic drop in oil prices and the sharp drop in the nation's income, Nigeria is no longer as lucrative a destination as it used to be for foreign investors.

The stock exchange is also about money, when there is no money in the economy, the stock exchange loses vibrancy, and investors (especially foreigners) would pull their funds out and take it elsewhere where money can be made. Just like in life, it is during hard times a man knows who his true friends really are.

Would it have happened if GEJ had continued, the answer is yes! it started happening when GEJ was still on seat and NOI warned Nigerians to brace up for hard times.

Go and educate yourself, it is mostly common sense. But you allow bigotry and careless sentiments to block your ability to discern simple things.

What is money?

Do investors see money on the street before coming to invest or opportunity?

Who says there is no money in Nigeria? Did MTN see money in Nigeria or opportunity before coming.?

The same country that there is no money was able to fine MTN a sum that is up to 30% of the National budget . Where did they make the money from?

Nigeria still remains the best investment destination in Africa. Even with all the insecurity from BokoHaram and Niger delta militancy investors stayed.

What scares investors is lack of economic direction of any country. That is what scares them. Lack of favourable policies.

Nigeria has no economic direction. All they want is borrow money and share money.
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by plaetton: 4:14pm On Apr 08, 2016
Remii:
what did GEJ did with 52% share of fgn in the money?

Well, for one thing, he faught a multi year war.
War is costly.

Secondly, he established 12 new federal universities. More than a any one in the history of Nigeria.

He revamped agriculture. A fact attested to by the current agriculture minister.

He spent more on road networks. A fact attested to by the current works minister.

He revamped the rail network in Nigeria. A feat no previous leader has ever accomplished.

He invested heavily in the power sector, the fruits of which we shall enjoy in the years to come.

Most importantly, he grew the economy year after year to make Nigeria the biggest economy in Africa, while maintaining the lowest DEBT to GDP ratio in history.

Oh, and let me NOT forget the growth of the Nigerian middle class under his stewardship, the real measure of economic progress.

As you can see , these is a tall order of accomplishments that the current administration know very well that they can never achieve.

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Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by wirinet(m): 4:16pm On Apr 08, 2016
aresa:



They actually think we have amnesia or have zero clue how we get to bad economy abd what we are going through today.

They obviously were aware the damage they did hence letting us know that suffering is heading our way..


I am sure she did not see the election loss coming, so she was preparing the minds of Nigerians for the economic disaster ahead. If Jonathan had won, they would have simply devalued the naira, raise import duties, increase vat to 10%, and deregulate petroleum prices. If Nigerians react, iweala would simple blame crude prices and say I warned you.

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Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by mekaboy(m): 4:17pm On Apr 08, 2016
aresa:



Funny enough, the same woman used falling oil prices which was at $60 to justify borrowing to pay salaries..

If the economy was doing so great, why borrow to pay salaries?

And if she borrowed more than half of the 2015 budget to run the country when oil was at $60 dollars, what exactly do you expect to happen now that oil is selling for nearly half of that $60 ?

You people act as if we are stupid or have collective amnesia and wasn't in Nigeria when Jonathan and this woman wrecked Nigeria.

We are talking about the same woman we put in charge of our money, but the same woman had jo clue or looked the other way when all government agencies refused to remit generated funds into our federal account, she either coluded or did not know anything about missing oil billions at NNPC when in fact she was supposed to know everything about our generated money to the last kobo.

What about our money she gave to dasuki to loot and share?

You ever wonder how many roads, bridges, hoapitals, schools and so on that can build?

In sane and credible countries, they sack people like her...

You are confusing her position with that of the icpc efcc and central bank.
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by obailala(m): 4:20pm On Apr 08, 2016
Geniro:


You are just another zombie on the prowl.

What is the economic logic of increasing frauds in a budget to boost the economy. Most of you are just shameless beyond redemption.
You asked of the essence of having a high budget in time of recession, I gave you the answer. In your confusion, you diverted the story to padding. Budget padding is part and parcel of Nigeria's corrupt history, but for the first time in history, the padding is being fought and cleaned out of our budget, that is progress whether you like it or not. Several evidences of padding in past budgets have just been shown to you. Your GEJ did not even request to see budget details before he signed successive budgets, so there goes your folly.

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Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by obailala(m): 4:20pm On Apr 08, 2016

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Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:21pm On Apr 08, 2016
mekaboy:


You are confusing her position with that of the icpc efcc and central bank.

Is Kemi Adeosun EFCC, tracking and plugging holes in government leakages? For instance the amount of ghost workers she removed from the federal system
.
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by Pidggin(f): 4:24pm On Apr 08, 2016
aresa:


You don't know how governments function or how it's funded. Governments is continuum and it's funded in a lot of ways starting from appropriations..


Sometimes it's very painful and t tedious going back and forth with many of you people.

You don't know anything your own country, but you still want to argue ignorantly..

What are you trying to say? You think you are the only one who went to school? Government is allocated money which it spends. If they go beyond spending money which was not in the budget, the NASS will be notified, if government needs to borrow money to fund the budget NASS will be notified

What I am trying to say is FG does not spend from any income generated without proper due process. But when Buhari became the president, he had money to bail out States, and fund his numerous trips, where did that money come from? Is it not the money left by GEJ or did the CBN print new Naira notes for Buhari to spend?
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by obailala(m): 4:28pm On Apr 08, 2016
mekaboy:


What is money?

Do investors see money on the street before coming to invest or opportunity?

Who says there is no money in Nigeria? Did MTN see money in Nigeria or opportunity before coming.?

The same country that there is no money was able to fine MTN a sum that is up to 30% of the National budget . Where did they make the money from?

Nigeria still remains the best investment destination in Africa. Even with all the insecurity from BokoHaram and Niger delta militancy investors stayed.

What scares investors is lack of economic direction of any country. That is what scares them. Lack of favourable policies.

Nigeria has no economic direction. All they want is borrow money and share money.
What is money?... I suppose I am talking to an adult or at least an older teenager?... A nation loses almost 70% of its income and you claim not to know what that entails in the business climate?

What silly economic policy are you talking about?... Besides the pressure on Buhari to devalue the Naira, what else is this so called 'economic policy'?... The exiting foreign investors simply want the Naira devalued so they can make mega profits; they also want CBN vaults opened so they can gain free access and repatriate forex to their home countries to the detriment of Nigeria and Nigerians. The FG/CBN's refusal to do assent to these exploitative demands is responsible for the dubious foreign exploiters arm-twisting and leaving Nigeria. To hell with them!

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Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by obailala(m): 4:34pm On Apr 08, 2016
Pidggin:


What are you trying to say? You think you are the only one who went to school? Government is allocated money which it spends. If they go beyond spending money which was not in the budget, the NASS will be notified, if government needs to borrow money to fund the budget NASS will be notified

What I am trying to say is FG does not spend from any income generated without proper due process. But when Buhari became the president, he had money to bail out States, and fund his numerous trips, where did that money come from? Is it not the money left by GEJ or did the CBN print new Naira notes for Buhari to spend?
That oil prices fall does not mean the country does not sell oil daily. The money gotten from oil sales is used to fund the government; the estimate of money to be made and money to be spent has already been captured in the prevailing budget. In a nutshell, the money spent on those foreign trips weren't necessarily moneys saved in any particular account.

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Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by Geniro: 4:34pm On Apr 08, 2016
obailala:
You asked of the essence of having a high budget in time of recession, I gave you the answer. In your confusion, you diverted the story to padding. Budget padding is part and parcel of Nigeria's corrupt history, but for the first time in history, the padding is being fought and cleaned out of our budget, that is progress whether you like it or not. Several evidences of padding in past budgets have just been shown to you. Your GEJ did not even request to see budget details before he signed successive budgets, so there goes your folly.

You are not smart at all.

The Presidency withdrew the budget for correction and yet it was reeked with outrageous figures. Without those outrageous figures, that budget will be no where near the 6 trillion mark.

Sacking a few scapegoats while the fraud was passed is the silliest move any serious govt. Will make.
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by babadee1(m): 4:36pm On Apr 08, 2016
Pidggin:
If she left nothing in ECA what did Buhari use to bail out States and what has he been using to fund his multiple trips, and allocate monthly payments to States, what has INEC been using to organize elections and how has FG workers continue to be paid salaries e. t. c without borrowing?

Are you suggesting that no new funds have been earned since all that time?
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by Pidggin(f): 4:38pm On Apr 08, 2016
obailala:
That oil prices fall does not mean the country does not sell oil daily. The money gotten from oil sales is used to fund the government; the estimate of money to be made and money to be spent has already been captured in the prevailing budget. In a nutshell, the money spent on those foreign trips weren't necessarily moneys saved in any particular account.

The money gotten from oil sales is not used to fund the government immediately, we are not operating a hand to mouth government. If the money is used to fund the government immediately it is gotten, what is used to fund the budget and what is the need for a budget?
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:39pm On Apr 08, 2016
Geniro:


You are not smart at all.

The Presidency withdrew the budget for correction and yet it was reeked with outrageous figures. Without those outrageous figures, that budget will be no where near the 6 trillion mark.

Sacking a few scapegoats while the fraud was passed is the silliest move any serious govt. Will make.


You that is very smart, are you saying that you believe there was no correction made to the budget all these while.

At least over a hundred scapegoats felt that this was a different time. Under GEJ and Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala's time, nothing will happen to them.
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by Geniro: 4:40pm On Apr 08, 2016
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by Geniro: 4:41pm On Apr 08, 2016
TheGoodJoe:



You that is very smart, are you saying that you believe there was no correction made to the budget all these while.

At least over a hundred scapegoats felt that this was a different time. Under GEJ and Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala's time, nothing will happen to them.

Yes I believe so leaning from previous happenings concerning the budget fiasco.
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by jpphilips(m): 4:43pm On Apr 08, 2016
Geniro:


Another zombie on the prowl. It is common knowledge that the "budget of fraud" was reeked with outrageous allocations hence the 6 trillion feast figures.

You don't mega pad figures to spur the economy.

You want to spur the economy yet the propaganda machinery of the presidency was given more value than the Agricultural sector.

Are you a baby ?

Yes I am, are you aware that 184 civil servants complicit in that padding have all lost their Jobs and terminal benefits?
That is exactly what most of us voted for, it is called "consequence management" in English language.
It is still a mystery why the padded figures were removed yet the final balance remained the same, you have a point there. Perhaps with time we will figure it out later with another consequence management!!
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by Pidggin(f): 4:43pm On Apr 08, 2016
babadee1:


Are you suggesting that no new funds have been earned since all that time?

I am not saying this, rather I am saying PMB has been spending from the money GEJ left behind, this is why he has not asked for extra funds from the CBN until recently.
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by obailala(m): 4:47pm On Apr 08, 2016
Geniro:


You are not smart at all.

The Presidency withdrew the budget for correction and yet it was reeked with outrageous figures. Without those outrageous figures, that budget will be no where near the 6 trillion mark.

Sacking a few scapegoats while the fraud was passed is the silliest move any serious govt. Will make.
The total value of the anomalies (paddings) when summed up wasn't up to 1% of the total budget. So please hold your peace, you aren't talking to a kid. And by the way, a surgical cleaning has been done by the NASS to remove those anomalies hence the budget value fell from N6.08 to N6.06 trillion, the president hasn't also refused to sign the passed budget pending when he does his own surgical review; so quit deceiving yourself, this will be the cleanest budget in Nigeria's history.

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Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:47pm On Apr 08, 2016
Geniro:


Yes I believe so leaning from previous happenings concerning the budget fiasco.


There was never a time that a budgetary padding discovery led to a shake up of the budgetary offices. There is no way the same thing is flying this time.



Earlier, the finance committees of the two chamber’s had met to harmonise the discrepancies in their respective reports before adopting a harmonised version


.http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/200611-finally-senate-house-reps-receive-2016-budget-report.html
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by obailala(m): 4:55pm On Apr 08, 2016
Pidggin:


The money gotten from oil sales is not used to fund the government immediately, we are not operating a hand to mouth government. If the money is used to fund the government immediately it is gotten, what is used to fund the budget and what is the need for a budget?
What do you think a budget is?..... So you think all the money made from daily crude sales would be kept in a savings account to be used for expenses next year? cheesy grin

My dear, if I am to borrow your words, YES! we run a hand-to-mouth system of government, the budget document contains a forecast of how much the nation HOPES to make in the year and how it plans to spend the money.
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by VISTIN(m): 4:58pm On Apr 08, 2016
tucky200:
Oh please shut the fvck up!!

You left virtually nothing in the excess crude account !!!

Must she leave money for you and your party? Let your people go and source for money.

How much did Buhari leave in 1985?

I bet you, any day Buhari resigns or steps aside oil price will go up without delay.

I hated Jonathan's govt cos of massive corruption but Buhari has got no idea.
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by tucky200(m): 5:00pm On Apr 08, 2016
VISTIN:


Must she leave money for you and your party? Let your people go and source for money.

How much did Buhari leave in 1985?

I bet you, any day Buhari resigns or steps aside oil price will go up without delay.

I hated Jonathan's govt cos of massive corruption but Buhari has got no idea.
LOL.
Son,you know nothing about politics

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Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by Nobody: 5:18pm On Apr 08, 2016
cktheluckyman:
GEJ left $30billion in the excess crude account. Please ignoramuses get your facts right
so you cannot different between federal reserve and excess crude Account..

You even spew such ignorance with complete confidence? How old are you?

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Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by Nobody: 5:20pm On Apr 08, 2016
VISTIN:


Must she leave money for you and your party? Let your people go and source for money.

How much did Buhari leave in 1985?

I bet you, any day Buhari resigns or steps aside oil price will go up without delay.

I hated Jonathan's govt cos of massive corruption but Buhari has got no idea.
see what leaders of tommorow are spewing.. Small time, they would start wondering why old men are still ruling us.

Just look at you, 12.5 IQ sad
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by cktheluckyman: 5:20pm On Apr 08, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


What about Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala who said she collected the money to save and then withdrew from the money without appropriation? Is she not the one that caused the Governors to demand for the money for their States if she was going to use the money without appropriation?

She broke the trust and Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala caused the Governors not to trust her. Well, I can not trust money with that woman.

The bailout funds Buhari shared was it appropriated? Who are you to say that you cannot trust her with money? If major financial institutions and business moguls like the likes of Bill gates can trust her to manage their businesses who they hell are you ?
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by mekaboy(m): 5:28pm On Apr 08, 2016
aresa:



Paper investors are always in love with crooks , incompetent and unpatriotic leaders who allow them to raid their economy. What we need are factory building and industry building investors, they grow productivity and create jobs and to my knowledge they are still trooping into Nigeria because we have the population and manpower to support any business.

Our challenges based on the fact that past administrations especially PDPs 16 years was wasted , no new refineries was built, our 4 refineries were allowed to rot and decay, power generation and transmission was neglected, $20 billion power funds was stolen or mismanaged, power infrastructure was privatized and handed over to cronies with zero experience and lack of capacity to invest and grow their power infrastructure ans so on.

These are dead holes created by past administrations with nothing to do with the current administration that's even less than a year in office and still no operating budget.


You people act as if the result for 16 years of mismanagement, looting, stealing, sharing public funds and incompetence means better economy, better way of life and prosperity.

When Jona and his gang were doing the damage, you people didn't care, you were busy shouting GEJ till 2019.

No my friend, it means pain and suffering tomorrow.

factory building investors will not use forex to import raw materials and equipments? Or will they go to parallel market to buy dollars at 325 to import and sell the product at what prices?

Can CBN meet the demands of local manufacturers demands for forex talk less of foriegn. U see why those paper investors are needed?

Now they are gone and we can't even import enough fuel. Buhari is not diplomatic, that is why he goes outside the world to call Nigerians criminals and broke and wants investors trooping in at the same time.

He has no economic team that can represent Nigeria in a reasonable negotiation to ensure a win win situation for investors.

He still has to consult with okonjo iweala that could negotiate debt cancellation to bring Nigeria out of this mess he is driving us into.
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by mekaboy(m): 5:59pm On Apr 08, 2016
obailala:
What is money?... I suppose I am talking to an adult or at least an older teenager?... A nation loses almost 70% of its income and you claim not to know what that entails in the business climate?

What silly economic policy are you talking about?... Besides the pressure on Buhari to devalue the Naira, what else is this so called 'economic policy'?... The exiting foreign investors simply want the Naira devalued so they can make mega profits; they also want CBN vaults opened so they can gain free access and repatriate forex to their home countries to the detriment of Nigeria and Nigerians. The FG/CBN's refusal to do assent to these exploitative demands is responsible for the dubious foreign exploiters arm-twisting and leaving Nigeria. To hell with them!

You are simply trying to defend a confused govt. A govt that cannot tell Nigerians if they are paying subsidy or not. Assuming I wanted to invest in oil and gas today I will be confused. They said they are not paying subsidy, next you hear they are paying subsidy.

The govt that said petrol price should fall as oil prices fall are telling us that oil prices will be reviewed upwards from next month.

The govt says they want to diversify but budget more for information than agriculture.

promised 5k for unemployed and free meals for students. Went from nasco biscuit to no meal at all.

Want Nigeria to grow but will not allow any region develop independently.

A government that wants to grow Nigeria yet restrict forex for manufacturers to buy raw materials.

Ban import of rice today allow it 2morow.

Nnpc to import all the petrol needed today, 2morow they start to beg importers to start importing.

Isn't the naira devalued already? or is anyone selling their stuff based on cbn rate? everything we buy today is based on parralel market rate.

The worst part is that after all the time wasted, jobs lost, untold hardship, Buhari will still devalue naira when it is already late.

If I am confused about the direction of this govt as a Nigerian, how do u expect investors to be confident?
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:21pm On Apr 08, 2016
cktheluckyman:


The bailout funds Buhari shared was it appropriated? Who are you to say that you cannot trust her with money? If major financial institutions and business moguls like the likes of Bill gates can trust her to manage their businesses who they hell are you ?


How can we trust her when the woman opened her mouth and lied that the FAAC endorsed her to take the money. Later the FAAC came out to deny her.

Be honest to yourself can you trust that kind of a person if your a Governor?

She told them that the money (ECA) was there for them to save. Only for her to deep her hands into the money without telling them.

She later used GEJ's position to save her incompetence.

As for Buhari sharing the money, it was an emergency bail out. Before he removed the money, it was publicly announced.

In Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala's case, she took the money without informing those who owned the money.

I can not trust her with National money and the Governors noticed her deceptive attitude and took their money back.

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