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Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:05pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
mekaboy: What about Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala who said she collected the money to save and then withdrew from the money without appropriation? Is she not the one that caused the Governors to demand for the money for their States if she was going to use the money without appropriation? She broke the trust and Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala caused the Governors not to trust her. Well, I can not trust money with that woman. |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by aresa: 4:08pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
wirinet: They actually think we have amnesia or have zero clue how we get to bad economy abd what we are going through today. They obviously were aware the damage they did hence letting us know that suffering is heading our way.. 1 Like |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by Geniro: 4:11pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
jpphilips: Another zombie on the prowl. It is common knowledge that the "budget of fraud" was reeked with outrageous allocations hence the 6 trillion feast figures. You don't mega pad figures to spur the economy. You want to spur the economy yet the propaganda machinery of the presidency was given more value than the Agricultural sector. Are you a baby ? |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by mekaboy(m): 4:11pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
obailala: What is money? Do investors see money on the street before coming to invest or opportunity? Who says there is no money in Nigeria? Did MTN see money in Nigeria or opportunity before coming.? The same country that there is no money was able to fine MTN a sum that is up to 30% of the National budget . Where did they make the money from? Nigeria still remains the best investment destination in Africa. Even with all the insecurity from BokoHaram and Niger delta militancy investors stayed. What scares investors is lack of economic direction of any country. That is what scares them. Lack of favourable policies. Nigeria has no economic direction. All they want is borrow money and share money. |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by plaetton: 4:14pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
Remii: Well, for one thing, he faught a multi year war. War is costly. Secondly, he established 12 new federal universities. More than a any one in the history of Nigeria. He revamped agriculture. A fact attested to by the current agriculture minister. He spent more on road networks. A fact attested to by the current works minister. He revamped the rail network in Nigeria. A feat no previous leader has ever accomplished. He invested heavily in the power sector, the fruits of which we shall enjoy in the years to come. Most importantly, he grew the economy year after year to make Nigeria the biggest economy in Africa, while maintaining the lowest DEBT to GDP ratio in history. Oh, and let me NOT forget the growth of the Nigerian middle class under his stewardship, the real measure of economic progress. As you can see , these is a tall order of accomplishments that the current administration know very well that they can never achieve. 1 Like |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by wirinet(m): 4:16pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
aresa: I am sure she did not see the election loss coming, so she was preparing the minds of Nigerians for the economic disaster ahead. If Jonathan had won, they would have simply devalued the naira, raise import duties, increase vat to 10%, and deregulate petroleum prices. If Nigerians react, iweala would simple blame crude prices and say I warned you. 1 Like |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by mekaboy(m): 4:17pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
aresa: You are confusing her position with that of the icpc efcc and central bank. |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by obailala(m): 4:20pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
Geniro:You asked of the essence of having a high budget in time of recession, I gave you the answer. In your confusion, you diverted the story to padding. Budget padding is part and parcel of Nigeria's corrupt history, but for the first time in history, the padding is being fought and cleaned out of our budget, that is progress whether you like it or not. Several evidences of padding in past budgets have just been shown to you. Your GEJ did not even request to see budget details before he signed successive budgets, so there goes your folly. 1 Like |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by obailala(m): 4:20pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
Geniro:This source says Jonathan spent $8.26bn, Yaradua $5.375bn and OBJ $16bn http://www.ibtimes.com/nigerian-senate-probe-goodluck-jonathan-previous-administrations-mismanaged-funds-2053823 http://allafrica.com/stories/201508140826.html http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/08/power-sector-senate-probes-obj-yaradua-jonathan/ http://www.channelstv.com/2015/02/20/president-jonathan-commissions-750-megawatts-power-plant/ 1 Like |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:21pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
mekaboy: Is Kemi Adeosun EFCC, tracking and plugging holes in government leakages? For instance the amount of ghost workers she removed from the federal system. |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by Pidggin(f): 4:24pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
aresa: What are you trying to say? You think you are the only one who went to school? Government is allocated money which it spends. If they go beyond spending money which was not in the budget, the NASS will be notified, if government needs to borrow money to fund the budget NASS will be notified What I am trying to say is FG does not spend from any income generated without proper due process. But when Buhari became the president, he had money to bail out States, and fund his numerous trips, where did that money come from? Is it not the money left by GEJ or did the CBN print new Naira notes for Buhari to spend? |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by obailala(m): 4:28pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
mekaboy:What is money?... I suppose I am talking to an adult or at least an older teenager?... A nation loses almost 70% of its income and you claim not to know what that entails in the business climate? What silly economic policy are you talking about?... Besides the pressure on Buhari to devalue the Naira, what else is this so called 'economic policy'?... The exiting foreign investors simply want the Naira devalued so they can make mega profits; they also want CBN vaults opened so they can gain free access and repatriate forex to their home countries to the detriment of Nigeria and Nigerians. The FG/CBN's refusal to do assent to these exploitative demands is responsible for the dubious foreign exploiters arm-twisting and leaving Nigeria. To hell with them! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by obailala(m): 4:34pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
Pidggin:That oil prices fall does not mean the country does not sell oil daily. The money gotten from oil sales is used to fund the government; the estimate of money to be made and money to be spent has already been captured in the prevailing budget. In a nutshell, the money spent on those foreign trips weren't necessarily moneys saved in any particular account. 1 Like |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by Geniro: 4:34pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
obailala: You are not smart at all. The Presidency withdrew the budget for correction and yet it was reeked with outrageous figures. Without those outrageous figures, that budget will be no where near the 6 trillion mark. Sacking a few scapegoats while the fraud was passed is the silliest move any serious govt. Will make. |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by babadee1(m): 4:36pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
Pidggin: Are you suggesting that no new funds have been earned since all that time? |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by Pidggin(f): 4:38pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
obailala: The money gotten from oil sales is not used to fund the government immediately, we are not operating a hand to mouth government. If the money is used to fund the government immediately it is gotten, what is used to fund the budget and what is the need for a budget? |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:39pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
Geniro: You that is very smart, are you saying that you believe there was no correction made to the budget all these while. At least over a hundred scapegoats felt that this was a different time. Under GEJ and Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala's time, nothing will happen to them. |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by Geniro: 4:40pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
obailala: This is fine by me, at least you will be forced to reconcile your $10 billion misrepresentation. |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by Geniro: 4:41pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe: Yes I believe so leaning from previous happenings concerning the budget fiasco. |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by jpphilips(m): 4:43pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
Geniro: Yes I am, are you aware that 184 civil servants complicit in that padding have all lost their Jobs and terminal benefits? That is exactly what most of us voted for, it is called "consequence management" in English language. It is still a mystery why the padded figures were removed yet the final balance remained the same, you have a point there. Perhaps with time we will figure it out later with another consequence management!! |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by Pidggin(f): 4:43pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
babadee1: I am not saying this, rather I am saying PMB has been spending from the money GEJ left behind, this is why he has not asked for extra funds from the CBN until recently. |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by obailala(m): 4:47pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
Geniro:The total value of the anomalies (paddings) when summed up wasn't up to 1% of the total budget. So please hold your peace, you aren't talking to a kid. And by the way, a surgical cleaning has been done by the NASS to remove those anomalies hence the budget value fell from N6.08 to N6.06 trillion, the president hasn't also refused to sign the passed budget pending when he does his own surgical review; so quit deceiving yourself, this will be the cleanest budget in Nigeria's history. 2 Likes |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:47pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
Geniro: There was never a time that a budgetary padding discovery led to a shake up of the budgetary offices. There is no way the same thing is flying this time. Earlier, the finance committees of the two chamber’s had met to harmonise the discrepancies in their respective reports before adopting a harmonised version .http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/200611-finally-senate-house-reps-receive-2016-budget-report.html |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by obailala(m): 4:55pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
Pidggin:What do you think a budget is?..... So you think all the money made from daily crude sales would be kept in a savings account to be used for expenses next year? My dear, if I am to borrow your words, YES! we run a hand-to-mouth system of government, the budget document contains a forecast of how much the nation HOPES to make in the year and how it plans to spend the money. |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by VISTIN(m): 4:58pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
tucky200: Must she leave money for you and your party? Let your people go and source for money. How much did Buhari leave in 1985? I bet you, any day Buhari resigns or steps aside oil price will go up without delay. I hated Jonathan's govt cos of massive corruption but Buhari has got no idea. |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by tucky200(m): 5:00pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
VISTIN:LOL. Son,you know nothing about politics 1 Like |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by Nobody: 5:18pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
cktheluckyman:so you cannot different between federal reserve and excess crude Account.. You even spew such ignorance with complete confidence? How old are you? 1 Like |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by Nobody: 5:20pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
VISTIN:see what leaders of tommorow are spewing.. Small time, they would start wondering why old men are still ruling us. Just look at you, 12.5 IQ |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by cktheluckyman: 5:20pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe: The bailout funds Buhari shared was it appropriated? Who are you to say that you cannot trust her with money? If major financial institutions and business moguls like the likes of Bill gates can trust her to manage their businesses who they hell are you ? |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by mekaboy(m): 5:28pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
aresa: factory building investors will not use forex to import raw materials and equipments? Or will they go to parallel market to buy dollars at 325 to import and sell the product at what prices? Can CBN meet the demands of local manufacturers demands for forex talk less of foriegn. U see why those paper investors are needed? Now they are gone and we can't even import enough fuel. Buhari is not diplomatic, that is why he goes outside the world to call Nigerians criminals and broke and wants investors trooping in at the same time. He has no economic team that can represent Nigeria in a reasonable negotiation to ensure a win win situation for investors. He still has to consult with okonjo iweala that could negotiate debt cancellation to bring Nigeria out of this mess he is driving us into. |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by mekaboy(m): 5:59pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
obailala: You are simply trying to defend a confused govt. A govt that cannot tell Nigerians if they are paying subsidy or not. Assuming I wanted to invest in oil and gas today I will be confused. They said they are not paying subsidy, next you hear they are paying subsidy. The govt that said petrol price should fall as oil prices fall are telling us that oil prices will be reviewed upwards from next month. The govt says they want to diversify but budget more for information than agriculture. promised 5k for unemployed and free meals for students. Went from nasco biscuit to no meal at all. Want Nigeria to grow but will not allow any region develop independently. A government that wants to grow Nigeria yet restrict forex for manufacturers to buy raw materials. Ban import of rice today allow it 2morow. Nnpc to import all the petrol needed today, 2morow they start to beg importers to start importing. Isn't the naira devalued already? or is anyone selling their stuff based on cbn rate? everything we buy today is based on parralel market rate. The worst part is that after all the time wasted, jobs lost, untold hardship, Buhari will still devalue naira when it is already late. If I am confused about the direction of this govt as a Nigerian, how do u expect investors to be confident? |
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:21pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
cktheluckyman: How can we trust her when the woman opened her mouth and lied that the FAAC endorsed her to take the money. Later the FAAC came out to deny her. Be honest to yourself can you trust that kind of a person if your a Governor? She told them that the money (ECA) was there for them to save. Only for her to deep her hands into the money without telling them. She later used GEJ's position to save her incompetence. As for Buhari sharing the money, it was an emergency bail out. Before he removed the money, it was publicly announced. In Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala's case, she took the money without informing those who owned the money. I can not trust her with National money and the Governors noticed her deceptive attitude and took their money back. |
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