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Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by Geniro: 3:09pm On Apr 08, 2016
obailala:
The funny thing about the cretins is that when you deflate their lies and senseless arguments with facts, they resort to name calling and accuse you of BLAME GAME.

Just the other day I was in an argument with one confused boy who claimed Buhari/Fashola have destroyed our power infrastructure. He thinks a Buhari who only just got his first budget approved should be blamed, but he doesnt think a GEJ who spent over $10bn on power but handed over an epileptic system which was generating a measly 1327mw as at handover should take any blame.

Some these cretins and their opinions really need to be ignored totally, but I fear for the level of damage they would have done in terms of distorting public opinion if allowed unchecked.

Add a viable source to the bold.
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:10pm On Apr 08, 2016
obailala:
The funny thing about the cretins is that when you deflate their lies and senseless arguments with facts, they resort to name calling and accuse you of BLAME GAME.

Just the other day I was in an argument with one confused boy who claimed Buhari/Fashola have destroyed our power infrastructure. He thinks a Buhari who only just got his first budget approved should be blamed, but he doesnt think a GEJ who spent over $10bn on power but handed over an epileptic system which was generating a measly 1327mw as at handover should take any blame.

Some these cretins and their opinions really need to be ignored totally, but I fear for the level of damage they would have done in terms of distorting public opinion if allowed unchecked.


I would have kept quiet but sometimes, the lies are told repeatedly until they sound like truth.

How many times do we here Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala would have saved but the Governors stopped her?

Sometimes you can not keep quiet because many gets deceived and buy into their lies.
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by Geniro: 3:12pm On Apr 08, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


If anyone was senile, it is Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala who mismanaged the reserves and one of the largest, if not the largest windfall in the history of Nigeria.

She towed in the most senile route.

While the certificate-less dullard in Aso rock inflated the budget with silly things for the boys in a season that was supposed to be difficult for the masses.

You see how smart zombies sound in defense of this confused and clueless admin.
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by iyb(m): 3:16pm On Apr 08, 2016
betterABIAstate:
GEJ left $30billion, even obasanjo confirmed it. APC lied
Lies Gej left 30 billion in foreign reserve while he left 2 billion in excess crude account and you can't just withdraw money from foreign reserve whenever you want while excess crude account you can withdraw the money and use it in terms of emergency
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:16pm On Apr 08, 2016
“For comparisons, President Obasanjo met about $5 billion in foreign reserves, and the average monthly oil price for the 72 months he was in office was $38, and yet he left $43 billion in foreign reserves after paying $12 billion to write-off Nigeria’s external debt. In the last five years, the average monthly oil price has been over $100, and the quantity also higher but our foreign reserves have been declining and exchange rate depreciating.

“My calculation is that if the economy was better managed, our foreign reserves should have been between $102 –$118 billion and exchange rate around N112 before the fall in oil prices. As of now, the reserves should be around $90 billion and exchange rate no higher than N125 per dollar,”... Professor Soludo.



http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/175663-soludo-grades-jonathan-f-economy-says-administration-worst-ever.html
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Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by obailala(m): 3:16pm On Apr 08, 2016
Geniro:


Judging by the current admin jacking up the budget to over 6 trillion loaded with vile nonsense. What is your defense towards that ? Huh !!

Would NOI tow such senile route if she was still in charge ?
The high spending is meant to stimulate the economy even in the downturn, go educate yourself and stop insulting your mothers out of sheer ignorance.
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by Remii(m): 3:18pm On Apr 08, 2016
plaetton:


Because APC heavy weights like Amaechi, Saraki, with the backing of APC strongman Tinubu, went to court to demand that GEJ government should share the excess crude oil account .

I guess you selectively forgot that part?
what did GEJ did with 52% share of fgn in the money?
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by Geniro: 3:21pm On Apr 08, 2016
obailala:
The high spending is meant to stimulate the economy even in the downturn, go educate yourself and stop insulting your mothers out of sheer ignorance.

Zombies don't know when to keep shut. You mean the padded nonsense like Aso rock rent and 788 million website allocation e.t.c is to stimulate the economy ?

If insulting your great-grand mothers and fathers will dump common sense into your skulls. then am all for it.
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by socialmediaman: 3:22pm On Apr 08, 2016
4Play:
The real reason why it was difficult to accumulate a rainy day fund when oil prices were higher is because of the public sector wage bill. During the OBJ era, the minimum wage was N5000, Yar'Adua and GEJ more than tripled public sector wages - making the minimum wage N18,000.

You mean these people were not paying taxes or doing taxable activities? Didn't IGR considerably increase? The money in circulation didn't fly away, did it?


If you look at government budgets - both at state and federal levels - recurrent expenditure dominates and most of it is public sector wages. With a tripling of wages, consumer demand increased driving up fuel consumption and in turn the fuel subsidy bill, fuel subsidy had to increase anyway due to higher oil prices. The combination of a bloated wage bill and high fuel subsidy bill eroded the capacity to save.

Fuel subsidy quadrupled due to corruption. Subsidy claims were inflated, no verifications were done by government before payment, multiple claims were paid on nonexistent vessels which had no trace of entering or leaving our shores, the corruption was unprecedented. Public outcry reduced it considerably but still left many backlogs unpaid till date...

Another thing that has to be mentioned is that until oil prices collapsed and exposed the folly of not saving, there was no public demand for saving. To the contrary, Lai Mohammed was on record stating that APC's first policy will be to abolish the excess crude account and the sovereign wealth fund. As it is his wont to play to the gallery, this reflected the popular view. At the state level, state finances were run like oil prices will always stay high (witness Kemi Adeosun's stint bankrupting Ogun state as the state finance commissioner).No one was doing threads on Nairaland bemoaning the paucity of our rainy day fund. Only with hindsight did we realise the hole we had dug ourselves. People get the leadership they deserve and Nigerians have got what they deserve.

there was public outcry on corruption, did the government tighten its belts? The excess crude account that was saved, it was dipping hands to make withdrawals without due process... By the way, what did FG do with its share of the excess crude account? I understand it was about 52% of the over $20 billion, right?
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:32pm On Apr 08, 2016
Geniro:


While the certificate-less dullard in Aso rock inflated the budget with silly things for the boys in a season that was supposed to be difficult for the masses.

You see how smart zombies sound in defense of this confused and clueless admin.



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Posers over duplications in 2010, 2011 budgets .
Monday, 28 February 2011 00:00 By Ade Ogidan, Business Editor News - National (Under GEJ)


A COCKTAIL of unsavoury duplications of capital expenditures, totaling N3.1 billion may have been uncovered in this year’s appropriation bill, currently before the National Assembly.

The discovery noted certain approvals in the 2010 budget, which resurfaced again in the current year’s estimates, even at higher figures, giving credence to the lamentations over the high cost governance in Nigeria, especially the whopping amount expended in maintaining the upkeep of officials.Indeed, a N1.06 billion estimate for the construction of official quarters in this year’s appropriation bill, has raised eyebrows, on assessed impropriety of the budget.

Specifically, the assessed duplicated expenditure proposals include a N500 million for the extention of Vice-President’s lounge at Aguda House; N400 million for acquisition, upgrading and furnishing of Vice-President’s Guest House also at Aguda House; furnishing of number two citizens Guest House at Asokoro, Abuja at N100 million.

https://www.nairaland.com/613673/more-undeniable-proof-gej-government[/b]

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Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by Pidggin(f): 3:32pm On Apr 08, 2016
aresa:



What exactly is your point because you sound confused.

I mean can't
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:37pm On Apr 08, 2016
Geniro:


While the certificate-less dullard in Aso rock inflated the budget with silly things for the boys in a season that was supposed to be difficult for the masses.

You see how smart zombies sound in defense of this confused and clueless admin.



[size=14pt] Ncc Budgets To Spend N75m To Change Toilet Doors And Keys In 2012.(Under GEJ) [/size]


The Nigerian Communications Commission (NCC) will be spending N75 million this year to replace old toilet doors, locks, repainting of fading walls and provision of directional sign posts to the Commission’s waiting room and canteen. This was even compounded by the fact that the budget was proposed after an allocation of N28 million was made for the same purpose in the budget of last year. Plus, in the 2011 budget, the Commission had proposed N60 million for automation and changing of all access doors of its head office building in Abuja.

https://www.nairaland.com/869965/ncc-budgets-spend-n75m-change

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Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by Geniro: 3:38pm On Apr 08, 2016
TheGoodJoe:



[b]
Posers over duplications in 2010, 2011 budgets .
Monday, 28 February 2011 00:00 By Ade Ogidan, Business Editor News - National


A COCKTAIL of unsavoury duplications of capital expenditures, totaling N3.1 billion may have been uncovered in this year’s approprbefore the National Assembly.

The discovery noted certain approvals in the 2010 budget, which resurfaced again in the current year’s estimates, even at higher figures, giving credence to the lamentations over the high cost governance in Nigeria, especially the whopping amount expended in maintaining the upkeep of officials.Indeed, a N1.06 billion estimate for the construction of official quarters in this year’s appropriation bill, has raised eyebrows, on assessed impropriety of the budget.

Specifically, the assessed duplicated expenditure proposals include a N500 million for the extention of Vice-President’s lounge at Aguda House; N400 million for acquisition, upgrading and furnishing of Vice-President’s Guest House also at Aguda House; furnishing of number two citizens Guest House at Asokoro, Abuja at N100 million.

https://www.nairaland.com/613673/more-undeniable-proof-gej-government[/b]

Am pretty sure this budget was also in surplus of over 6 trillion naira in a "difficult year" . Keep shooting yourself on the foot digging out references that shows your chants of "change" is a big scam.
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:40pm On Apr 08, 2016
Geniro:


Am pretty sure this budget was also in surplus of over 6 trillion naira in a "difficult year" . Keep shooting yourself on the foot digging out references that shows your chants of "change" is a big scam.


[b][size=14pt]Aso Rock To Spend N18.4bn On Fuel, Lubricants, Telephone This Year (Under GEJ) [/size]


By Henry Umoru
ABUJA — THE Presidential Villa, otherwise known as Aso Rock, will spend about N18.36 billion this year for fuel and lubricants.

Also, N237,370,200 will be spent by the State House headquarters. Of this figure, the office of the President will spend N168.722 million for fuel and lubricants, while N68,647,329 will be spent on lubricants by the Vice President.

The State House is also expected to spend N75, 131,589 on plants and generators for both the headquarters and that of the Vice President, with the headquarters spending N54,329,366 while the Vice President will spend N20,802,589 on fuel for generators alone.

The Presidency in the budget for the year would spend N577.543 million to replace aged vehicles in the presidential fleet while N15, 215, 500 has been earmarked for maintenance of plants and generators, N137,827,111 for the maintenance of office/IT equipment, N382,317,777 for maintenance of motor vehicle/transport equipment and N122,466,733 for other maintenance services.

For the Vice President, maintenance of motor vehicle/transport equipment will gulp N83, 208,883; N145, 615,546 for maintenance of office building/residential quarters; N62,406,663 for the maintenance of office/IT equipment, N10,401,110 for maintenance of plants/generators and N20,802,221 for other maintenance services.


https://www.nairaland.com/859172/aso-rock-spend-n18.36bn-fuel[/b]

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Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by obailala(m): 3:41pm On Apr 08, 2016
Geniro:


Zombies don't know when to keep shut. You mean the padded nonsense like Aso rock rent and 788 million website allocation e.t.c is to stimulate the economy ?

If insulting your great-grand mothers and fathers will dump common sense into your skulls. then am all for it.
You are the one insulting your ancestors... To whom brain is given, sense is expected. I suppose you have a brain in your skull?... You should be able to do a simple google search to learn the simple economic logic of increasing spendings on infrastructure to boost the economy at hard times like this.

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Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:41pm On Apr 08, 2016
Geniro:


Am pretty sure this budget was also in surplus of over 6 trillion naira in a "difficult year" . Keep shooting yourself on the foot digging out references that shows your chants of "change" is a big scam.

Under President Buhari, we can see the fight due to budget padding. Under GEJ, things like these scaled through with little fuss.

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Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by Geniro: 3:43pm On Apr 08, 2016
TheGoodJoe:



[size=14pt] Ncc Budgets To Spend N75m To Change Toilet Doors And Keys In 2012.[/size]


The Nigerian Communications Commission (NCC) will be spending N75 million this year to replace old toilet doors, locks, repainting of fading walls and provision of directional sign posts to the Commission’s waiting room and canteen. This was even compounded by the fact that the budget was proposed after an allocation of N28 million was made for the same purpose in the budget of last year. Plus, in the 2011 budget, the Commission had proposed N60 million for automation and changing of all access doors of its head office building in Abuja.

https://www.nairaland.com/869965/ncc-budgets-spend-n75m-change

While the 2016 had over N764.7 million on recreational activities just for the presidency . . . . . .

In 2016, the State House will spend N27. 5 million on computers, while N268.9 will finance computer software acquisition. Aso Rock will spend N764.7 million on recreational activities

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/12/2016-budget-fg-to-spend-n4-1bn-on-cars-2/

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Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by Geniro: 3:46pm On Apr 08, 2016
obailala:
You are the one insulting your ancestors... To whom brain is given, sense is expected. I suppose you have a brain in your skull?... You should be able to do a simple google search to learn the simple economic logic of increasing spendings on infrastructure to boost the economy at hard times like this.

You are just another zombie on the prowl.

What is the economic logic of increasing frauds in a budget to boost the economy. Most of you are just shameless beyond redemption.
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by nduchucks: 3:46pm On Apr 08, 2016
obailala:
NOI actually acknowledged that the economy survived in 2008 because of the savings. Pay no attention to the dubious characters who titled the report this way, they know Nigerians only read titles.

NOI however absolved herself of all blame by claiming it was the governors that prevented her from saving under GEJ.

She was the at-large Minister, whatever that means, and as such, parts and parcel of GEJ's administration. As such, if she can claim credit for some of the administration's successes, and there were some, she must also accept responsibility for some of the failures.

The last time I checked, the Governors were not part of the Federal Executive branch.
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:47pm On Apr 08, 2016
Geniro:


While the 2016 had over N764.7 million on recreational activities just for the presidency . . . . . .



http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/12/2016-budget-fg-to-spend-n4-1bn-on-cars-2/

I am pointing out to you that Budget padding is not a new thing. It passed repeatedly under the nose of Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala's tenure.

Buhari's tenure is more sensitive to these kind of thing. That is why you are seeing the commotion raised.

You tried sounding as if this is Buhari government challenge but it is synonymous to other government.
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by 7lives: 3:48pm On Apr 08, 2016
Sibrah:
The economy didn't crash when oil price crashed in 2014. It took almost 2 yrs for us to feel its effects, so what is our textbook heavyweight saying?

na paper weight abeg.
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by Geniro: 3:48pm On Apr 08, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


Under President Buhari, we can see the fight due to budget padding. Under GEJ, things like these scaled through with little fuss.

The same 6 trillion nonsense that was passed a few days ago without rigorous amendment to the fraud therein. My God !! What do they feed you guyz that permits such bizarre reasoning process.
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by jpphilips(m): 3:49pm On Apr 08, 2016
Op why didn't you say it is an old news to guide your readers accordingly?

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Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by Geniro: 3:51pm On Apr 08, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


I am pointing out to you that Budget padding is not a new thing. It passed repeatedly under the nose of Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala's tenure.

Buhari's tenure is more sensitive to these kind of thing. That is why you are seeing the commotion raised.

You tried sounding as if this is Buhari government challenge but it is synonymous to other government.

You are clearly confusing yourself.

Then where is the change if frauds committed under previous regimes is greatly amplified under the current regime who chanted "Change"
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by jpphilips(m): 3:53pm On Apr 08, 2016
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Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by jpphilips(m): 3:53pm On Apr 08, 2016
Geniro:


You are just another zombie on the prowl.

What is the economic logic of increasing frauds in a budget to boost the economy. Most of you are just shameless beyond redemption.


The guy in your quote is educating you on increased government spending to spur economic growth during recession and you are talking about increasing fraud?
Are you sure you finished SS3?

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Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by aresa: 3:54pm On Apr 08, 2016
mekaboy:


Borrowing is not bad as long as your economy is growing at a rate that supports it. Even America is owing china even with their growth. The economy was stable under her and she could borrow easily as investors were more confident in her policies.

Today buhari is destroying the economy and still Borrowing. Investors are fleeing and have no confidence in his team.

Our growth is low and inflation is on the rise. That is the difference between buhari Okonjo borrowing and NEPA certificate borrowing.


Paper investors are always in love with crooks , incompetent and unpatriotic leaders who allow them to raid their economy. What we need are factory building and industry building investors, they grow productivity and create jobs and to my knowledge they are still trooping into Nigeria because we have the population and manpower to support any business.

Our challenges based on the fact that past administrations especially PDPs 16 years was wasted , no new refineries was built, our 4 refineries were allowed to rot and decay, power generation and transmission was neglected, $20 billion power funds was stolen or mismanaged, power infrastructure was privatized and handed over to cronies with zero experience and lack of capacity to invest and grow their power infrastructure ans so on.

These are dead holes created by past administrations with nothing to do with the current administration that's even less than a year in office and still no operating budget.


You people act as if the result for 16 years of mismanagement, looting, stealing, sharing public funds and incompetence means better economy, better way of life and prosperity.

When Jona and his gang were doing the damage, you people didn't care, you were busy shouting GEJ till 2019.

No my friend, it means pain and suffering tomorrow.

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Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:54pm On Apr 08, 2016
Geniro:


You are clearly confusing yourself.

Then where is the change if frauds committed under previous regimes is greatly amplified under the current regime who chanted "Change"

The budget padding was fought in this administration and the fight is still on. That is one of the reasons of the delay of the budget. This time there is a real fight.

Unlike GEJ and Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala's time that the fraud happen. Can you see the Change?
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by mekaboy(m): 3:56pm On Apr 08, 2016
aresa:



Basically, the people who mismanaged Nigeria financially and economically for 16 years that laid the foundation for our problems are really not responsible for the current situation, but a less than one year government trying to clean up their 16 years worth of mess is responsible.


Thia crazy and wild things you read on NL sometimes...

Are the less than 1 year people aliens? did they come from heaven? Are the not the one that refused to save because they wanted to use to money to sponsor the election of the confused government they put in power?
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by aresa: 3:58pm On Apr 08, 2016
Pidggin:


I mean can't

You don't know how governments function or how it's funded. Governments is continuum and it's funded in a lot of ways starting from appropriations..


Sometimes it's very painful and t tedious going back and forth with many of you people.

You don't know anything your own country, but you still want to argue ignorantly..
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by wirinet(m): 3:59pm On Apr 08, 2016
But madam world bank told us a different story in January 2015. She told us to prepare for austerity and that 2015 would be s very difficult year.
More austerity measures coming – Okonjo-Iweala
Following the continuous decline of the price of crude oil in the international market, the Federal Government on Thursday said it was preparing additional measures to mitigate the impact of the price drop on the Nigerian economy.
She had during a public presentation of the 2015 budget proposal listed the stoppage of the purchase of new furniture, and reduction in international travels and trainings by government officials by 50 per cent as some of the austerity measures to be taken this year to boost revenue.

Others are the implementation of the Stephen Orasanye committee’s report on the rationalisation of the civil service; and introduction of 10 per cent tax on private jets, three per cent surcharge on champagnes and one per cent property tax on mansions with value exceeding N300m.

Between December 17, 2014 when the budget proposal was submitted, with oil benchmark price pegged at $65 per barrel, and now, global oil prices have further crashed to around $46 per barrel.

The development has further heightened tension in the country because of the Federal Government’s almost total dependence on crude oil exports for its revenue

Specifically, Okonjo-Iweala told the children that 2015 would be a very difficult year for the economy,
noting, however, that with appropriate fiscal and monetary policy instruments, the government would manage the economy in a manner that would be beneficial to all.
http://businessnews.com.ng/2015/01/17/austerity-measures-coming-okonjo-iweala/
Re: Crude Oil Price Fell From $140 To $38 In 2008, Still Economy Was Stable: Okonjo by aresa: 4:04pm On Apr 08, 2016
mekaboy:


Are the less than 1 year people aliens? did they come from heaven? Are the not the one that refused to save because they wanted to use to money to sponsor the election of the confused government they put in power?

You mean the same people you said have been in office lesa than a year were in office for 16 years and made all the economic policies, claimed stealing is not corruption, stole and gave billions to dasuki to share, they were also in charge of our rotten and decayed refineries after refusing to build 1 single refinery for 16 years and so on and so on...?


You people come up with insane and absurd argument for real..

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