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Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Nobody: 4:41pm On May 04, 2016 |
jiggaz: Can you compare the level of tolerance in Nigeria to the countries you ve listed. Cant you see the level of bitterness, anger and animosity you and your likes exhibit? 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by absoluteSuccess: 5:21pm On May 04, 2016 |
frank317:Yo, You can ask yourself that question. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by frank317: 5:59pm On May 04, 2016 |
gbadexy: Long disconnected sermon but my question is yet to be answered. Why does this creator need worship? How did u know the creator needs worship? If you say conscience... Why is it not universal? Why are there different conflicting styles of worship. Is this creator one? Why can this conscience give us a precise style of worshipping him? How are u sure u are not projecting the human need for worship to the creator (if at all he exists)? 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by gbadexy(m): 6:50pm On May 04, 2016 |
frank317:Why do you greet your parents when you wake up. I'm sure you will greet the governor of your state with reverence. Why do you think obeisance shouldn't be made to the one who created your president and boss whom you rever. Obviously, different people came at different period with different religions and mode of conflict. I am not in the position to determine which is correct. I hope you didn't expect me to explain why there is conflict in religious types. It's self evident from my earlier explanation. Who told you conscience isn't universal. Anyone without one would be a clinical sociopath. According to my faith, the creator is one. Some believe it's 3. Others may have different belief system. I couldn't take you folks here serious. You are trying too hard to appear enlightened and sophisticated. It's your problem. I'm not here to convince anyone to discard their belief. I just couldn't expect any logical person to truly believe all that exist came from nothing. I can accept not believing the projection of a creator by organised religion. Someone said life existed some many years and we evolved and we presently weren't directly created by God. He also was telling me what he read in book or online about animals being in existence for certain years before Man! All hypothesis put forward by some men without fact and swallowed by an enlightened wannabe. To each his or her own. 1 Like |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by frank317: 7:08pm On May 04, 2016 |
gbadexy: I greet my parents becasue I know it makes them feel respected, it is also a sign of respect. Humans struggle everyday to become influential so as to earn respect. Like I said the act if worship or need for reverence is a human thing just like, hunger, desire for sex, feelings of humiliation etc. Back to my question,... How did u know the creator desires worship? Does he struggle for respect like humans? Did we elect him like we elected governors? Did we elect him as God among other gods? Humans know we are all equal and feel more important we we have an edge over our mates... It's a feeling of accomplishment becasue of hard labour. Who is God struggling with? Why does he need worship? Who is his competitor?... Again, are u protecting the human need for worship and respect to God? If you do that are u assuming he is like a human being who desires all those things? So how did you know these things about a creator. Conscience. Thanks, conscience is universal so how come the CONSCIENCE and desire to worship this God is not universal? Why don't I feel the need to worship any creator? Why should conscsei be universal yet the thought and style of worshipping the creator is not universal? 9 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 8:23pm On May 04, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas:The same way i know that the Sun is composed of Hydrogen and Helium. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by TheMascot(m): 8:34pm On May 04, 2016 |
HardMirror:where does did end lemme guess?..after being the best christian you could be..something went how you didndidnt plan out..and boom..u began to remember all the things you have done for God and he couldn't do this one thing to make you feel happy..if its not like this..tell me 1 Like
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Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Ranchhoddas: 8:37pm On May 04, 2016 |
Image123:Obviously I grossly overestimated you.Apologies. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by dazzlingd(m): 9:32pm On May 04, 2016 |
earthrealm:where did this happen and when? 1 Like |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 9:43pm On May 04, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas: Hehehehehehehe, we all make mistakes you know. Hopefully, our mistakes are not eternal. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 9:47pm On May 04, 2016 |
TheMascot: As usual na,that's the way they roll. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by cloudgoddess(f): 9:56pm On May 04, 2016 |
gbadexy:The beauty of humanhood is that we are free to mold our own purpose, our own meaning, and our own goals (assuming one does not live under a dictatorship or theocracy). As adult human beings we do not need our fates to be dictated as if we're robots or puppets. Fruitful relationships, healthy communities and family life, educational pursuits, inner growth and self-improvement, groundbreaking scientific discovery, enjoyment of nature and art, creativity exploration and innovation. These are amongst the vast number of things we humans can derive meaning and satisfaction from. We can simply choose to live humbly and kindly, pursuing whatever brings joy, peace, and fulfillment to us and those we love. 7 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by gbadexy(m): 10:25pm On May 04, 2016 |
cloudgoddess:In essence, for pursuit of things that gives us satisfaction and fulfilment. No organised religion would oppose such aspirations. You feel we came into being strictly for our own amusement and development, at least that in itself is a purpose. So do you believe matter could be created from nothing? Let me humour you that atoms aligned to form organised living and non living components of the universe through big bang. How did those atoms came into being. I studied biochemistry in school. Do you know how complex but yet very organised protein molecules that make up our dna is. It's the blueprint of individuals. Yet it's of an understandable repeated sequence which makes it possible for paternity test. Do you think such organisation was due to random reaction. I repeat, do you think matter could be created from nothing? How did the first atoms come into Being? They just were there? And if so, what force prompted them to react. I'm not here to sell my religious believe to you. I just can't seem to take you people serious or believe any logical person would sincerely belief the world just came into being spontaneously on its own. Discussing about the creator or on type of religion is a futile journey I won't even bother engaging in. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Nobody: 10:46pm On May 04, 2016 |
cloudgoddess:thanks. BTW why cloudgoddess? Does your name have any significance? |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Ranchhoddas: 11:00pm On May 04, 2016 |
Image123:Whatever man. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by johnydon22(m): 11:25pm On May 04, 2016 |
gbadexy: You see when pulling out this type of argument religious people actually forget that there are arguing against their own beliefs without even knowing it. -Your belief is centered on the invocation of a deity causality for the universe even though there is no universe materializes matter literally out of nothing. . (Talking some assert) -Actually you are the person who holds a belief of matter emerging from nothing here. Scientifically Quantum fluctuations in a quantum field which represents the lowest level of energy frequency creates matter.. But here in the case of your beliefs: A deity designed a universe out of nothing, there cannot be design if there is nothing. So there comes to a point where this deity must have to materialize the materials needed for the universe literally out of nothing before designing it.. So if there is nothing there is no design but rather magic in a theological stand point here. When trying to base an argument on a premise, review to check how it relates to your own stance.. -Cus literally 'Your belief is the one that holds that Matter came from nothing, let me not even stretch it farther to the deity itself.
In physics Quantum fluctuations are responsible for that.. and knowing this sort of argument well, you probably asked where the matter came from in hope that if we don't know then it is necessary to invoke a God (who remarkably came from?) That you don't know where the atom came from, or i don't know or the entire community of physics don't doesn't mean a deity did it. it means we "Don't know" Ignorance is not an evidence of any deity rather is an evidence of ignorance… So the appeal to ignorance argument necessary to pull a 'god of gap' does not hold sway at all. Because if empirically what you previously attributed to a deity out of ignorance becomes ascertained how it actually happened, the deity gets shattered from the equation. so trying to appeal to ignorance to invoke a god will only make your god an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance in the face of more discoveries.
This 'complexity argument' has got to be the most laughable, cliche and weak argument people muster up for god(s). Pointing at natural complex values in order to invoke a god, forgetting that for something to be powerful and intelligent enough to design a complex system, it must be at least as complex or far more complex than the system. now you are here pointing at natural complexity in order to invoke a god who must also even be more complex, how does that work? If complexity means design then this god that is even more complex must also require a designer to exist. If you beg a special pleading to exempt it from being designed then it murders all your argument since here you are suggesting a complex entity who doesn't need to be designed using it to explain complexity of nature. Haven't you shown something can be complex and not be designed if you assert a complex god who doesn't require a designer? That murders your whole complexity argument. Furthermore, the 'cannot be by chance argument' is naive to say because even in the presence of a mind everything is still subject to chance. In every random process there is a pattern, in every interaction there is a result.. this is the nature of everything, this is the result of what was in the testimony of what is. Take for instance a Sand Dune, it is very artistic and precise but then from whence did it come? Was it a planned artistic design? Not even in the least, just a random and even chaotic reaction of wind on sand and from the chaotic reaction a pattern emerges, a result. The Penicillin was made from chance yet saved millions and very important in our medical field. Even where there is will, Chance governs all. Even when you invoke a God, it is still a subject to chance... -A chance that somehow outstandingly we've got a God(and not nothing) -A chance that it is remarkably powerful enough to make something -A chance that is precisely able and willing. -A chance that in it's infinite loop of existence it decides to make everything. 2,000,000 sperms on conception night only one made it, it is a remarkable chance, even your day to day life is governed and subjected to chance. A chance that your car doesn't get hit by another or a meteor doesn't fall right into your head. So this is not about what feels good that takes us to the scope of theology which in essence is blind. theology only aims at giving answers to satisfy the questioner while science gives answers to satisfy the question, the questioner may or may not like it it is not a matter of believing the universe is a product of chance, believing it doesn't make it true anymore than not believing it makes it a lie. Invoking what you want to be (believe) in a quest to ascertain what is diminishes your enquiry only to that of emotion and reduces the chance of a truthful deduction. replace the universe with God and you see all again falls back to chance.. why there is something (God) and not nothing.. since it is a chance of nothing and something, it also will be a remarkable chance if something(God) is and not nothing. remind me your arguments again. 14 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by cloudgoddess(f): 2:41am On May 05, 2016 |
fabiano09:Nope, I genuinely just thought it was cute 1 Like |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Immorttal: 2:56am On May 05, 2016 |
Alokendra:the worse is you didn't ask him to create you. i remember when i was a kid,i designed a synthetic chink where i stored live ants,my aim is to erect them a new home and 'force' them to acclimatise to it,at lenght i would put crumbs of food,some ants would be stubborn and would always run off.i did not kill them when they 'transgress' against my wish,i would simply put them right back to the chink, how much more of a "loving father"(according to the bible) who massacres his design for fun beign cognizant of the fact he made them perforate to errors.Mankind always refer to God as someone who dwell in our dimension and intelligence.This is where the delusionist that inspired the bible failed it.If it were me i would esteem God higher rather they equate him in a fractional sum.Now they want us to believe in a God they created.but their cozen was exposed.Lmao |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by gbadexy(m): 5:19am On May 05, 2016 |
johnydon22:I swear by all I hold dear, you wrote absolute rubbish, pardon the language. I don't do religious argument because it's pointless. So it makes sense that your quantum energy level or whatever it is that you said created matter came into being from nothing. Na you first read physics Ba? Keep humouring yourselves. So energy can create itself from nothing and come into Being. I just couldn't take you lots serious. You appear like enlightened wannabes trying hard to justify your apparent stand by all means. I don't sincerely think you too believe what jargon you wrote and to be candid, I just glanced through it. Congratulations on your enlightenment though. I don't wish to engage in this discussion again. It doesn't add value to me to increase my account balance. Whatever gives you fulfilment. You may say your superior argument chased me away, whatever rock your boats. Each to his own and good luck. 1 Like |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Alokendra(m): 5:55am On May 05, 2016 |
Immorttal:Bring this up with theist, and watch them go dumb. Their usual defense is usually 'that's why he's god.' 'We cannot question god.' Even our earthly fathers here wouldn't unleash mayhem of that magnitude on transgressing children. So much for being an 'heavenly father' 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Akshow: 6:13am On May 05, 2016 |
johnydon22:pls how do I get added to this free thinker Lodge? |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by johnydon22(m): 7:45am On May 05, 2016 |
Akshow:send a PM to hahn |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by johnydon22(m): 7:48am On May 05, 2016 |
gbadexy: When they have no more argument they resort to personal emotional talks, i have learnt to see Ad hominems as a last resort for someone who no longer have an argument to bring up. Thanks and have fun brother 3 Likes |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by wirinet(m): 8:46am On May 05, 2016 |
gbadexy: Can you please help us answer the questions above? You seem to know the answer outside the scientific explanations, so; 1. Do you think matter could be created from nothing? 2. How did the first atoms came into being? 3. What forces prompted them to react. We are all eager to learn from you and throw our science text books away. 1 Like |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by gbadexy(m): 9:02am On May 05, 2016 |
wirinet:Which kind explanation within science text Sef? He's just trying to impress him lots. I couldn't make head of what he was typing, I mean it as no insult and I'm confident and comfortable with my I.Q. You are on a long thing awaiting logical response you can relate with. Even oyinbo people that own physics can't explain life. They only put forward theories. You think if these amateurs have the answer, they won't have Nobel prize in Physics? Scientists are just still reeling from the fact that atoms can be split or fused. This is manipulating atoms with release of energy. If man could create atoms, it would have been celebrated. Besides, the fission and fusion don't just spontaneously occur in nature. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by wirinet(m): 9:34am On May 05, 2016 |
gbadexy:The fact that you are comfortable with your IQ does not mean your IQ is above average, only a valid IQ test can determine that. From what you wrote, it is no wonder you have no idea of what jonnydon22 wrote. How can you say fussion and fission don't just spontaneously occur in nature? What then prompt the fussion reaction in the core of the sun. Are you suggesting atoms in a chuck of uranium would not split spontaneously naturally? You avoided the question entirely, i still ask that if you disagree with science about the formation of matter, what is your more logical and sensible explanation. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by dblackninja: 9:35am On May 05, 2016 |
I spot a religious fanatic above^^^ Abeg johnydon22 come and take suya but take am easy na b4 you fry someone's brain..see as you made someone utter nonsense just because he couldn't comprehend what you wrote. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by gbadexy(m): 9:45am On May 05, 2016 |
wirinet:You got me smiling. I can't believe this. Are you serious? To humour you. Give me instances fusion has occurred in nature in your life time. Were you there when the fusion in the sun started to know if it just started spontaneously? I hope you do know it's a chain reaction. It continues using its energy to continue the process and had started since only God knows when. Obviously my explanation is that a divine creator is responsible for creation. Why do you have to ask such question. I'm exasperated. Biko, I pass on your discussion. Feel free to free me. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by wirinet(m): 10:13am On May 05, 2016 |
gbadexy: Please invest a little in some science education, i cannot continue to give you free lessons. Every star you see in the night sky is an ongoing fusion reaction, new stars are forming right now somewhere in the universe while some are dying. Every element in the universe today outside hydrogen and helium were created as a result of fusion reaction. The building block of the universe is the fusion of hydrogen and a little percentage of helium to form heavier elements. So your explanation for the questions you raised rests with your divine creator and to you that is a more logical explanation to science. Ok, explain further; From what materials did your divine creator create matter from? he could not have created it from nothing. How did the first atoms come into being? What forces did he use to make the atoms react. And what proof do you have to support your hypothesis. I sense a Nobel price if you are able to prove your theory. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Jadekitana2(f): 11:04am On May 05, 2016 |
francis247:I was forced to quote you sorry. we never begged to be created. 1 Like |
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