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Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by plaetton: 8:47pm On May 13, 2016 |
Barristter07: Which medical practitioners? Third world doctors , even when well trained, don't have modern medical equipment to quickly diagnose most modern diseases and cancers. So, it's very easy for I'll equipped doctors to give up when ailments fall beyond the diagnostic capabilities of their equipments. But how come we only hear this kind of stuff in semi primitive societies? The key denominators being SUPERSTITION and technological challenges. 1 Like |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by sweetcocoa(f): 8:50pm On May 13, 2016 |
All these mods sef, any little thing una go just ban person, na wa o. |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by plaetton: 8:51pm On May 13, 2016 |
Hhhmm. So we have freecocoa and sweetcocoa? I am wondering where one can get sweetcocoa for free 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by Nobody: 8:58pm On May 13, 2016 |
HMMM SO WE HAD CHARM AND WE STILL ALLOWED THE WHITE TO ENSLAVE US OR WAS THEIR GUNS MORE POWERFUL THAN OUR CHARMS 3 Likes |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by sweetcocoa(f): 8:58pm On May 13, 2016 |
plaetton:Hahaha. Very funny. |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by sweetcocoa(f): 9:01pm On May 13, 2016 |
Barristter07:Because of you I got a ban, don't provoke me again o. |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by Nobody: 9:01pm On May 13, 2016 |
sweetcocoa: Guess yu were prepared for them. Yu av anoda cocoa |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by finofaya: 9:02pm On May 13, 2016 |
What you call juju can also be called a miracle. Calling it a miracle might help you realise that what goes on in churches or other places has the same weight in the mind of the christian or other person as that which juju is having on your mind. You can easily reject the juju in the churches, but not the miracle on the streets. The atheist can easily reject all. What you need to do is apply whatever reason you used to reject the juju in churches to your belief in the realness of miracles. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by Nobody: 9:06pm On May 13, 2016 |
Elohim1: Apparently, no one was with the idea of using leaves against the whites then |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by johnydon22(m): 9:11pm On May 13, 2016 |
GrizzlyBear: This story in particular saddened me to my marrows, because such instances actually happens in our medical arena, it is a pointer sadly to how backwards, retarded and imbecilic Africans can be even the supposedly educated ones. Any doctor who thinks an ailment is juju because he has no idea what is going on should be stripped off his certificates because they are completely useless and his years in universities wasted. When will people learn, ignorance is not a gap that should be filled with an absurd assumption. That he has no idea what happened means he don't But i'm not surprised since you even mentioned it was a NL doctor ... Now let me tell my own story.. Going back like 600years ago in the medieval era, superstition was prevalent in europe just like it is now firmly grounded in Africa. Once upon a time during this time in the history of Europe, the doctors of that era actually thought Epilepsy was a demonic attack. Now 21st century, doctors do not think that, we now know better except of course some imbeciles in white dress seating in some African hospitals. It is a sad reality that some doctors in Africa has turned medical practice in Africa into a voodoo diagnosing point, a laughing stock in the global scale of an incredibly civilized and informed 21st century world. Left to such persons we would still be thinking Epilepsy was a demonic attack, or H.I.V as a result of village people attacking someone. Tell me is that the type of world you'd like to live in? A world that backwards, primitive and crude? Where some illiterates in white dress (Some African doctors) suggest juju, in saner climes they would be working tirelessly day and night in the lab to find out exactly what is going on and possibly when that is achieved find a cure thereby saving millions. Human body can harbour a whole lot of parasites, rationally it is possible a certain type of insect can be one of such too. Can't the egg of such an insect be ingested through contaminated foods? thereby hatching in a hosts body? It was a strange sight for the doctor, but it was actually a call for study to find out what really is and not conjure the absurd notion of juju to fill a gap of ignorance. Even though the story seems very vague to me as the type of scan was not mentioned, the type of insect either i'd not touch that. Now a word of advice from me Believe what ever you want, juju/magic, jazz but any day you come to a hospital for diagnosis and the doctor says. "Uuuhm young man i can't really find out what's wrong with you, its strange and i don't understand it, i think or strongly believe it must be juju" Please my brother, take your shoes, dust them and run for your dear life.. 23 Likes 10 Shares |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by sweetcocoa(f): 9:11pm On May 13, 2016 |
Jadonjack:No be today na, it half tay. |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by neocortex: 9:21pm On May 13, 2016 |
waldigit: All these christian propagandist self, when will you free yourself from this jewish yoke ? 1 Like |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by johnydon22(m): 9:28pm On May 13, 2016 |
GrizzlyBear here is your second story Growing up, I lived close to a popular university here in Nigeria, and one day I witnessed a cultist attack on a cult member of another cult group. Right in my Now from this story the bolded part actually suggest that he was running and they were shooting and such unstable action as running you think cannot disrupt a shooting target? here is my own story : I live in a ghetto rugged part of Enugu so i'm pretty familiar with cult activities and all so i can relate to your story. there was once a time some cult members were chasing another and were shooting at him but the bullets weren't penetrating. Why? The bullet seriously missed it's mark Someone running at the same time shooting at another running has a very high chance of missing it's mark. How then was the machete able to do it? Are bullets not still metal as machete? If your body is impenetrable by a piece of metal moving at almost the speed of light how then was one that is as slow as a human hand can penetrate? That is absurd. Missing the target doesn't equate impenetrable target. I have always told people when ever you see someone claiming invincibility to a gun or machete, get your own gun place squarely on the fore head and do the test yourself. Be ready to go to jail for murder 17 Likes 8 Shares |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by GooseBaba: 9:31pm On May 13, 2016 |
plaetton: I beg to differ...... Superstitions abound in every society. Nothing like semi primitive societies when it comes to superstitions. Stop trying to give juju bad name from an intellectual paradigm. An herbalist uses natural substance for his work. I'm yet to observe an herbalist conjure a calabash out of thin air with boiled eggs inside. But I have seen it in movies. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by GooseBaba: 9:37pm On May 13, 2016 |
Elohim1: Stop showcasing nonsense as meaningful something... Charms is to protect or preserve during battle. It's not meant to win battles, wars or negotiate forceful take over. Men still have to fight and die in battle... 1 Like |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by plaetton: 9:41pm On May 13, 2016 |
GooseBaba: There is a confusion about traditional medicine , occult practice and juju. One is practical, one is theoretical and the third is mythical. 1 Like |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by plaetton: 9:47pm On May 13, 2016 |
GooseBaba: If one can use charm to protect one's life, then shouldn't such protection be available in battle against one's enemies or existential threats? A charm therefore provides a such protection against existential threat as a Bible or Koran does to a believer. It's just another form of faith. If juju cannot be useful to the Nigerian armed forces to hunt and eliminate the existential threat posed by Boko haram, then charms are nothing but myths. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by GooseBaba: 9:53pm On May 13, 2016 |
johnydon22: That's where you're wrong.... Bullet charm is not something you utilize and ask someone to shot you in the head. Bullet charm is to preserve during battle, it does not guarantee the user a win. When you see someone that has been shot and escapes, they're in serious pain, their only saving grace is that the bullet did not penetrate. For example, do you walk up to a man putting on a bullet proof vest and ask to shoot him in his head. Even western bullet proof vest are not tested with high caliber weapons. 1 Like |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by GooseBaba: 9:59pm On May 13, 2016 |
plaetton: And when police officers in western countries get shot with their bullet proof vest on and they die from their injuries.. Errmm that makes it a myth too. There's nothing like perfection. One is only seeking protection but knows that the inevitable may occur at anytime... 1 Like |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by johnydon22(m): 10:00pm On May 13, 2016 |
GooseBaba: Tell me how a bullet proof vest is same as a charm... you see i am not here to argue over any of this juju nonsense. when ever you claim to be bullet-proof by charm i will definitely get my own gun. point to me that exact area your charm is effective and i will shoot at it lets see how it doesn't penetrate . Arguing over this bullshiit will be the last thing i'll do here. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by GooseBaba: 10:15pm On May 13, 2016 |
plaetton: Yeah, just like a placebo effects. But when you relegate the whole concept of juju to a placebo effects. It ridicules the whole traditional concepts. There's science behind traditional concepts not everything is myth. Traditional bullet proof is practical. I have observed a security guard come in for treatment after been shot by armed robbers. He was in extreme pain, crying like a little bitcch. But he was alive. That's all that matters. 2 Likes |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by GooseBaba: 10:23pm On May 13, 2016 |
johnydon22: Bros there's nothing to argue here... When was the last time you used your own gun to shoot someone wearing a western bullet proof vest? When was the last time you physically observed someone wearing a bullet proof vest being shot point blank..? I just want to understand... 2 Likes |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by ValentineMary(m): 10:45pm On May 13, 2016 |
We once did a course in our school BCH321: pharmacology here we also studied traditional medicine, remedies, juju, etc. Now all those juju stuff is all purely scientific eg a native doctor picking some plants at night because he claims the Gods instructed him to do so.And later on the herbs work perfectly. It has been observed that at different times d organic contents of plant fluctuates, so d native doctor was picking d plant at d time d organic content was enough to cure (this is know by d native doctor after several years of perfection and in some cases generational secrets in d family can be passed). When an event is observed, and at that time we can't explain it, we should not be shallow minded and attribute it to d supernatural because doing that would solve no problem but only create more. proper analysis of d situation can help us find a new science discovery 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by kevoh(m): 10:55pm On May 13, 2016 |
Goosebaba, what exactly is your point? I'm having difficulty understanding it pls explain better... Is it that the traditional bullet-proof charm only protects half way as the individual will still get injured if hit or the individual is fully protected with the charm and nothing will happen? If it's the former then what's the point of the charm? |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by johnydon22(m): 11:02pm On May 13, 2016 |
GooseBaba: First of all what exactly is western bullet proof vest? ... here is the difference. -One vest is physical, shows tendency to catch bullets in certain covered areas and never for once claims a skin is impenetrable. -the other is not, just claims impenetrable skin. so how then can one compare a bullet proof vest and bullet proof charm. . . If one is wearing a vest, we all see it that he is, just like me hiding behind a concrete wall from a bullet. but here you are claiming an invisible wall, impenetrable bullet proof skin, and i don't even see how necessary it is for me to engage in such stark absurd squabble that honestly bears no point at all. none 7 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by CoolUsername: 11:26pm On May 13, 2016 |
GooseBaba: How do the charms work, then? Bullets exert far more force than blades so why would the charms fail to stop blades? Guns are also a recent invention so are these charms that seem to be tailor-made to specifically stop bullets also recent? What I see here is that OP probably saw a man who was wearing a bulletproof vest that could stop bullets but couldn't stop blades (which is exactly how kevlar vests work.) |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by johnydon22(m): 11:46pm On May 13, 2016 |
CoolUsername: seriously baffles me how people pull out unrelated semantics playing out something that doesn't mean anything. Bullet proof vest automatically became western and juju bullet proof indigenous.. there is a total difference between someone wearing some kind of thick clothing and say "this thick clothing has platinum inside and can prevent bullets from hitting me on the areas it covers" and another coming out fully naked saying "My skin is impenetrable by bullet, i have a charm" Totally ridiculous 3 Likes |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by analice107: 11:57pm On May 13, 2016 |
plaetton:Is it that you deny these things or they don't happen where you come from? when i was a kid, there were these Jaz men who come to entertain us with magic, afterwards sell their wares. A man will use this knife Mae Suya uses to slice through their stomach, stick it into their eyes, nothing happens. A man will lie down and a plank will be place on him, a car will drive through him, nothing will happen to him, i have seen a man who lifted a car with his teeth off the ground. he stood erect with the car by his teeth. An Hausa man came to my village, he never went into the River, How he did it, no one knows till this day, but he tied a robe to a stick by the bank of the river and spiritually tied an Hippopotamus and pulled it to the river bank and it was killed. He never stepped inside the water. I have seen where a man took an empty giant Milo Can , opened it for us to see it was empty, closed it, shook it and open it again, steaming hot Jellof rice filled the Can, he scoped it out and people ate it to prove it was indeed rice. Its either you are lying or you are living in denial. 2 Likes |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by GooseBaba: 12:18am On May 14, 2016 |
johnydon22: And there you have it. Invisible wall. Lol..so you relegate something to spirit land and wonder why you cannot makes sense of it. Have you seen a bullet proof charm before? If no, then you're just running your mouth. Am I right or am I right... Let me help you out here. Certain charms are made of natural substance that is then ingested. It's more like an athlete using performance drug it increases his/her performance. Or someone who is on meth/bath salt and get superhuman energy. I don't know how it activates. Maybe by sweat,increase in heartbeat or adrenaline. I don't know. This charm has to be renewed periodically to update its potency. Now tell me where is the invisible wall.? Where is the spiri spiri... Also, there are other charms that are worn as vest under clothing. That constitutes as a physical attributes to the charms. No magic involved simply science. I don't know why someone who uses this gadgets would turn around and ask johnydon22 to shoot him somewhere in his body... |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by johnydon22(m): 12:21am On May 14, 2016 |
GooseBaba: kk 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by GooseBaba: 12:38am On May 14, 2016 |
kevoh: First of all how does a charm look like..? Same question what's the point of a bullet proof vest. a bullet proof vest cannot guarantee the wearer that a bullet will not go through the opening under his armpit, neck. |
Re: On the Supernatural & Juju (Black Magic) by GooseBaba: 1:31am On May 14, 2016 |
CoolUsername: I think maybe because we are using the word charm. It's creating some mysticism. This is simply science it has nothing to do with spirit world. You can toughen your skin with different substance. Just like you can smooth, darken or lighten your skin with different substance. Same thing done differently through ingesting certain herbs and traditional injection. But if you're asking about the intricate details involved in gun or knife charm. I don't know. I certainly do not pocess such knowledge. |
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