Bamidelefundz:

Thanks for checking on us here boss.

KingEbukaNaija:


And what is more logical is that a designer does not exist , as far as it has a beginning I think it should require a cause . Are there uncaused existences you know about ?

KingEbukaNaija:


And what is more logical is that a designer does not exist , as far as it has a beginning I think it should require a cause . Are there uncaused existences you know about ?

KingEbukaNaija:


We are now laughing in the same language , animals are not subjected to moral laws . Our knowledge of this is instinctive , coded into us by our creator .

Bamidelefundz:


You fall my hand here bro "you have the carte Blanche to do whatsoever you want" at the same time " when you break the law you face the consequence", can't you see a glaring contradiction in your above statement? Which implies that nobody is granted the power to do whatsoever he/she want, but can only do what is within the jurisdiction of the law.

taurus25:

non existence of a creator is the standpoint of an atheist because so far so good NO PROOF! of any kind.....hence it is more reasonable seek answers to our begining than to assume.

random evens are not uncaused; they are just the result of causes that we don't know. For something like coin flipping or the number a roulette ball lands on, the result depends on many, many causes. It doesn't matter that you can't measure all the causes and sum their effects. It doesn't even matter if you can't even list all the causes. As
Perzoo Frou said, science makes progress by finding the causes of things that we can't explain.

KingEbukaNaija:


It is not a contradiction . You are actually FREE to do anything . That freedom exhibited by doing that thing which is against the law is the carte Blanche . As a human you can have sex with anyone you want , but in some countries you will be punished if you have sex with the same sex . That freedom as a human is exhibited by going ahead to have sex with the same sex even in counties that are against such practices .

You have the freedom to steal , the act of stealing is part of that freedom because you are punished does not mean the freedom is not there.
That choice which is available to be made by you is what free will is about , but are you ready to face the consequences of the choice made , good or bad ?

Free will is the ability to choose between different possible courses of action - Wikipedia .

You have the choice to believe in God or not - just like you and I have different beliefs , we are exhibiting the free will . We have the choice to choose to believe or not .

Bamidelefundz:

You still don't get it bro, you can't give me free will as my creator as still give me instruction and expect me to follow it. That's not free will and it reek stupidity on the side of the creator you are talking about.

KingEbukaNaija:


Because you have not found a cogent proof according to your elusive standards of logic therefore no creator exists ? And I thought common sense was common

Bamidelefundz:

That's a lie bro, we have a lot of features with animals that verify us to be more or less on the same side of nature, so you don't have any evidence or fact to say animals don't know what they are doing just like us( why don't lion hunt lion).

taurus25:

oh logic ...why have you eluded this gentleman...

see.......im looking for a cogent proof so i wont assume...
right?. Unless you can prove to me that god isnt an assumption, i simply cant believe.

KingEbukaNaija:


Check this out http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2172019/Horrific-moment-young-tigers-attack-eat-young-cub-wildlife-park-fed.html

Tiger on tiger . So you are wrong !

Bamidelefundz:

Boss in some part of the world we lives in human eat humans and we kill each other too, still it is not a normal phenomenon for it to be happening all the time. How many video can you provide showing tiger eating there age mate day in day out?

KingEbukaNaija:


It's obvious you don't understand what free will is . Free will means behave as you like it does not concern you with the consequences of your actions . As far as you have a choice to make it is free will . Look up 'free will' before arguing

Weah96:


What do you mean when you say God? Nobody can say God doesn't exist because God is an undefined word. Now if you say the god you go to worship on Sunday, then YES, it doesn't exist.

KingEbukaNaija:


There is proof quite alright but not that proof you are looking for - seeing is believing . So a creator does exist but you need proof that it does - interesting .

KingEbukaNaija:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3441548/Female-tiger-killed-mating-partner-Sacramento-Zoo.html

KingEbukaNaija:


Some people believe that Obama is not america's president and the first moon travel is fake so ... Opinions !

Bamidelefundz:


So why is your God angry when human being he create decide to use there free will to eat the fruit of good and evil in the garden of Eden thereby chasing them out and placing them on a curse according to your religion.

taurus25:
see yourself, trying to tilt the tide in your favor......i didnt say a creator did exist(at least the one religionists wrship) , because i simply dont know or care. ...But when you say space and time was initiated by this creator which you worship..i simply ask you to prove your claim.

you get it now?

taurus25:

Thats more like foolishness not opinion

KingEbukaNaija:
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Brilliant bro ! That eating of that fruit even when told not to do so is an exhibition of free will - God's reaction is just according them the consequence of their actions . Now you get it . they had the choice to make - free will -eat it or not . They made their choice - FREEWILL .

taurus25:
see yourself, trying to tilt the tide in your favor......i didnt say a creator did exist(at least the one religionists wrship) , because i simply dont know or care. ...But when you say space and time was initiated by this creator which you worship..i simply ask you to prove your claim.

you get it now?

KingEbukaNaija:


Now you get it . It's foolish talk to say God - a creator - does not exist just like that . It's foolish talk to insist that America's president is not Obama and the first moon travel was fake .

A creator ,different concepts .

Bamidelefundz:

That means he is not the one that gave them the free will bro it exist in them. If I give you phone and claim that it belong to you henceforth it's none of my concern wether you use the phone well or throw it into a pool of water. I have no right to judge you unless I lend you the phone in the first place. Can you get me now the difference in free will.

KingEbukaNaija:


Now you get it . It's foolish talk to say God - a creator - does not exist just like that . It's foolish talk to insist that America's president is not Obama and the first moon travel was fake .

A creator ,different concepts .

KingEbukaNaija:


Yeah of course . So you are indirectly asking me to validate the Christian religion and beliefs

KingEbukaNaija:


You are getting this all wrong bro . Discard that urge to refute my response . Adam and Eve had choices to make - eat the fruit or don't . Those choices which they had the discretion to make was an exhibition of FREEWILL . FREEWILL is not concerned with the consequences of your the choices you make .

Bamidelefundz:

I'm not blind to see Obama addressing state house on live Tv bro, how can you prove your own creator? Obama as the current president is a fact with physical proof.

Bamidelefundz:

boss, you are the one getting me wrong and close minded. also, open your mind and digest my analysis you will get what I'm saying clearly. God don't have the power to judge Adam and Eve if he gave them the free will to either good or bad in the first place moreover, if God is that smart he would have destroyed them immediately after they chose the wrong side of will. So, tell me why he would allow the people who misuse there free will to continue to exist and multiply when you claim you have the power to destroy them? Still he doesn't stop there he passed the first what he called sin to generation to come, is that not stupidity? Can't you end everything in the first place when it happened rather than sending billion of people to eternal grave of hell fire? Can you see the fallacy and archaic mentality of your Christian God now?

KingEbukaNaija:


Finally we are getting somewhere . The nature of God is beyond the physical and there are certain methods or ways to validate or attest to or say for sure God exists . If you are not ready to follow these methods then you won't get results .

E,g

1. the mixture of liquids of different colors in containers to get a new color

One of the ways to mix colors is to pour the contents of one container into the other , a new color is the result of this process , an evidence for it .

2. The mixture of elements to get compounds

Some involve heating to a certain temperature and the properties of the compound can be used to determine what compound was found

Now if you attempt to use method 2 to get the result of method 1 then there will be no desired result .

Empirical evidence is for science and the nature of sciences limits its abilities to discover evidence for God - your kind of evidence anyway - since God is not subject to the laws of nature which guide science .

KingEbukaNaija:


You are now scrutinizing God's behavior , this is not appurtenant to our discussion of FREEWILL . Adam and Eve exhibited FREEWILL , God took care of the consequence of their actions , end of story .