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Re: CHRISTIANITY Vs Islam Which Is Older?? by yinkeys(m): 7:05pm On May 23, 2016 |
Demmzy15:This is a good question |
Re: CHRISTIANITY Vs Islam Which Is Older?? by yinkeys(m): 7:13pm On May 23, 2016 |
Re: CHRISTIANITY Vs Islam Which Is Older?? by Nobody: 7:23pm On May 23, 2016 |
Demmzy15: It is important to note that the word Injil is actually the Greek word evangel which is actually the word from which the word rendered "gospel" is derived. Also the word "Quran" is actually the Aramaic word "Qerani which means "recitation" or "reading" or "calling" and also the word "Huri" translated as "virgins" which Muslims hope to get in paradise is actually the Aramaic word "Huwr" which means "white" or "grape." When considering the Arabic of the Quran, there are noticeable Greek and Aramaic influenced words, so it is clear that existing Greek and Aramaic Christian texts were used in the construction of the Quran............ ..... If there was no Arabic text of the bible as you claim, then how were Arab speaking Christians such as Waraqa able to quote bible verses? |
Re: CHRISTIANITY Vs Islam Which Is Older?? by Demmzy15(m): 7:44pm On May 23, 2016 |
lordnicklaus: How on earth does "evangel" and "Injeel" sound alike for you to claim they're from the same source? Anyways, prove for the above assertion! Also the word "Quran" is actually the Aramaic word "Qerani which means "recitation" or "reading" or "calling" and also the word "Huri" translated as "virgins" which Muslims hope to get in paradise is actually the Aramaic word "Huwr" which means "white" or "grape." Arabic, Aramaic or Syriac and Hebrew are sister languages which was influenced by the Nabateans. So this languages have striking similarities, in Arabic for instance," In the name" is translated as "Bismi" while in Hebrew it's "B'shemi". This languages are from the same sources, so it'll be unfair for you to say they borrowed from each other. I can also say Arabic influenced this languages you mentioned! This is peculiar with many European language like English because it emerged from the Germanic people! When considering the Arabic of the Quran, there are noticeable There are no Greek words in the Quran, now please prove to us that the Qur'an was composed with Christian texts. Similarities between sister languages isn't enough reason! If there was no Arabic text of the bible as you claim, then how were Arab speaking Christians such as Waraqa able to quote bible verses? Which verses did Waraqa quote exactly? It's surprising how you want to use Waraqa as an evidence, it'll turn out badly for you. |
Re: CHRISTIANITY Vs Islam Which Is Older?? by chubbyswit(m): 7:46pm On May 23, 2016 |
Demmzy15:everything there is nothing but fact but i dont expect you to accept the truth cos you all have been possessed and blinded |
Re: CHRISTIANITY Vs Islam Which Is Older?? by Demmzy15(m): 7:52pm On May 23, 2016 |
chubbyswit:Look here, it's people like you who would open their whole mouth to talk yet no substance. Spare me all that thrash and tell me how Prophet Muhammad copied from you, I can prove all what you copied from pagans if you want? 1 Like |
Re: CHRISTIANITY Vs Islam Which Is Older?? by Nobody: 8:21pm On May 23, 2016 |
Many of these guys claiming that Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم plagiarized from such an empty book that should be used to clean up faeces(bible) haven't given us any proof but have giving us speculations, well i will use the bible to give examples on what plagiarism is: [b]-Book of Proverbs (22:17-24:22) and the Instruction of Amenemope Amenemope is the colored text: (Proverbs 22:17-18):"Incline thine ear, and hear the words of the wise, And apply thine heart to my doctrine; For it is pleasant if thou keep them in thy belly, that they may be established together upon thy lips" (Amenemope, ch. 1):"Give thine ear, and hear what I say, And apply thine heart to apprehend; It is good for thee to place them in thine heart, let them rest in the casket of thy belly; That they may act as a peg upon thy tongue" (Proverbs 22:22):"Rob not the poor, for he is poor, neither oppress (or crush) the lowly in the gate." (Amenemope, ch. 2):"Beware of robbing the poor, and oppressing the afflicted." (Proverbs 23:4-5):"Toil not to become rich, And cease from dishonest gain; For wealth maketh to itself wings, Like an eagle that flieth heavenwards" (Amenemope, ch. 7):"Toil not after riches; If stolen goods are brought to thee, they remain not over night with thee. They have made themselves wings like geese. And have flown into the heavens." (Proverbs 23:10): "Remove not the widows landmark; And enter not into the field of the fatherless." Amenemope, ch. 6): "Remove not the landmark from the bounds of the field...and violate not the widows boundary"[/b] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instructions_of_Amenemopet, http://newunderthesun..com/2008/03/knockoffs-part-2.html?m=1 Dear readers, the above is not only plagiarism but photocopy of the highest order. I drop my pen here 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: CHRISTIANITY Vs Islam Which Is Older?? by Nobody: 8:29pm On May 23, 2016 |
Demmzy15: It is important to also note that "evangel" is pronounced as "evanjel" and it sounds similar to "injil." Now you made a correct point that Aramaic, Hebrew and Arabic are sister languages. In Aramaic, the word "gospel" is "bisorta" and in Hebrew it is "besort." The words for "gospel" sound similar in both languages but why a different word in the Arabic counterpart which is supposed to be a sister language? It is clear that the Arabic counterpart is of another source language, a non-semitic source. And as for the issue concerning Waraqa, below is a link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waraka_ibn_Nawfal |
Re: CHRISTIANITY Vs Islam Which Is Older?? by Demmzy15(m): 8:51pm On May 23, 2016 |
lordnicklaus: It doesn't sound similar at all, give me a lexicon showing that it's from that source! Now you made a correct point that Aramaic, Hebrew and Arabic are sister languages. Thank you for admitting! In Aramaic, the word "gospel" is "bisorta" and in Hebrew it is "besort." The words for "gospel" sound similar in both languages but why a different word in the Arabic counterpart which is supposed to be a sister language? So it's only one word you use to judge and then conclude that Prophet Muhammad copied? Are you being serious? Isn't this supposed to be a prove that the Qur'an had nothing to do with copying from the Hebrew and Aramaic sources? If this is the same, you'll still be the same people to claim it was copied but when it's not you still complain. There are many similarities but that doesn't mean the languages are dependent on each other. In Palestine today, many Arabs can't speak Jew even though they're similarities! It is clear that the Arabic counterpart is of another source language, a non-semitic source. All languages developed from the Nabateans and remember you said "Now you made a correct point that Aramaic, Hebrew and Arabic are sister languages." So if they're sisters then surely they're from the same sources! And as for the issue concerning Waraqa, below is a link: I can't be reading through wiki, present facts if you have them! |
Re: CHRISTIANITY Vs Islam Which Is Older?? by Demmzy15(m): 9:04pm On May 23, 2016 |
lordnicklaus gospel in Greek is Evangélio not what you stated! |
Re: CHRISTIANITY Vs Islam Which Is Older?? by Nobody: 9:39pm On May 23, 2016 |
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Re: CHRISTIANITY Vs Islam Which Is Older?? by Nobody: 9:39pm On May 23, 2016 |
Demmzy15: Give the guy space to breath abeg na, he is probably searching the web for answers to the photocopying of amenemope into proverbs. 1 Like |
Re: CHRISTIANITY Vs Islam Which Is Older?? by Nobody: 12:03pm On May 24, 2016 |
Demmzy15: You didn't read my post well. I said "evangel" is the word from which the Greek word for "gospel" is derived. That is to say, "evangelion" is derived from "evangel." You should also note that "evangelion" is pronounced as "evanjelion" and still kind of sound like "injil." Again, I made reference to the Aramaic and Hebrew word for "gospel" and I said that they both sound alike as they are sister languages, but Arabic being a sister language uses a different word entirely which is not of Semitic source or origin. |
Re: CHRISTIANITY Vs Islam Which Is Older?? by Nobody: 12:16pm On May 24, 2016 |
Demmzy15: Back to the sister language issue. What I am saying is this, Aramaic and Hebrew makes use of words for "gospel" and they sound alike but Arabic being a sister language is supposed to make use of a similar word but instead uses a strange word which cannot be found in other Semitic languages, it is clear that the word "injil" is of Non-Semitic origin and that is of Greek origin, so Muhammad probably made use of either a Greek text or an Arabic translation of a Greek text in constructing Quran. For the Waraqa issue, he was the cousin of Khadija and a Christian right? It is said that after Muhammad received his so-called revelation, that Waraqa confirmed his prophethood by quoting from the Christian and Jewish texts. How could he have quoted a text in a foreign language if a translation of the text didn't exist in his own language?.............. Or how could Waraqa have been a Christian if he wasn't preached to in his own language? |
Re: CHRISTIANITY Vs Islam Which Is Older?? by Demmzy15(m): 8:49pm On May 24, 2016 |
lordnicklaus: Please could you provide proves for this from a Greek Lexicon! You should also note that "evangelion" is pronounced as "evanjelion" and still kind of sound like "injil." How on earth do they sound alike, "Evangélio" and "Injeel", I don't just get. So because they sound alike(everyone can clearly see they don't), then the Prophet Muhammad(saw) copied from your bible? Who argues like that, I'm telling you that they're no Greek words in the Quran. Again, I made reference to the Aramaic and Hebrew word for "gospel" and I said that they both sound alike as they are sister languages, but Arabic being a sister language uses a different word entirely which is not of Semitic source or origin. Aramaic, Hebrew and Arabic are sister languages but that doesn't mean they can't exist independently. This languages were influenced by the Nabataeans, so they have many words which sound alike and others which don't. Here's is the Hebrew and Arabic transliteration of the Quran 1:1-8 [b]"bismi llâhi r-rahmâni r-rahîm - in the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Caring בשם אלהים הרחמן והרחום / B'shem Elohim ha-rachaman v'ha-rachum الْحَمْدُ للّهِ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ al-hamdu li llâhi rabbi l-âlamîn - praise be to God, lord sustainer of the worlds התהלה לאלהים רב כל עלמים / ha-t'hilah l'Elohim rav kol olamim الرَّحْمـنِ الرَّحِيمِ r-rahmâni r-rahîm - the Compassionate, the Caring הרחמן והרחום / ha-rachaman v'ha-rachum مَالِكِ يَوْمِ الدِّينِ mâliki yawmi d-dîn - master of the day of judgment מלך יום הדין / melech yom ha-din إِيَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ وإِيَّاكَ نَسْتَعِينُ iyâka na`budu wa iyâka nasta`în - to you we turn to worship/serve; to you we turn in time of need אותך נעבד; אליך נשוב / ot'kha na'avod; alecha nashuv اهدِنَــــا الصِّرَاطَ المُستَقِيمَ ihdinâ s-sirâta l-mustaqîm - guide us on the straight road (road of uprightness) הנחנו בדרך הישר / hanchenu b'derech ha-yashar صِرَاطَ الَّذِينَ أَنعَمتَ عَلَيهِمْ غَيرِ sirâta l-ladhîna an`amta `alayhim - the road of those to whom you are giving בדרכם של אלה אשר נטית להם / b'darcham shel eleh asher n'tiyat lahem المَغضُوبِ عَلَيهِمْ وَلاَ الضَّالِّينَ ghayri l-maghdûbi `alayhim wa la d-dâlîn - not those who receive your anger, who have lost their way. אשר לא חרון אפו עליהם ולא מן התועים / asher lo charon apo aleihem v'lo min hato'im."[/b] Quran 1:1-8 Hope you can see the similarities and differences! |
Re: CHRISTIANITY Vs Islam Which Is Older?? by Demmzy15(m): 9:12pm On May 24, 2016 |
lordnicklaus: So out of thousands of words, you picked only "gospel" and then concluded that Prophet Muhammad(saw) from your book, if that's the case, here's some similarities between your bible and ancient pagan books: -Genesis and the Babylonic Pagan myth(Enuma Elish) 1.Genesis 1st day the creation of light Enuma Elish Light emanates from the gods 2. Genesis 2nd day the dome of the sky is created Enuma Elish creation of the firmament (dome 3. Genesis 3rd day creation of dry land Enuma Elish creation of dry land 4. Genesis 4th day creation of heavenly lights Enuma Elish creation of heavenly lights 5. Genesis 5th day creation of animals --------------- 6. Genesis 6th day creation of man Enuma Elish creation of man 7. Genesis God rests and sanctifies the sabbath Enuma Elish the gods rest and celebrate with a banquet http://www.skeptically.org/oldtestament/id14.html, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enuma_Elish Hope you can see how I clearly presented my facts, this book was written many years before the bible and it was proved to be copied outrightly. You've not given tangible fact as to how those words are the same, you're talking as if Arabic language is dependent, any word you hear is automatically borrowed according. That's not how it works! but Arabic being a sister language is supposed to make use of a similar word but instead uses a strange word which cannot be found in other Semitic languages, Even in the Hebrew and Aramaic language, they're many words which have the same spelling but totally different meanings. Let's look at like this, my father gave birth to me and my brother but as we grow up we might have totally different behaviors even though we might have little similarities, that's how it goes! it is clear that the word "injil" is of Non-Semitic origin and that is of Greek origin, so Muhammad probably made use of either a Greek text or an Arabic translation of a Greek text in constructing Quran. This is a very critical argument, if you have fact please drop it. I won't accept "probably" or "it is clear" when you've not proved anything. This world would have been destroyed if people followed "if", "probably" and other guesses. Possibility doesn't necessarily mean probability! For the Waraqa issue, he was the cousin of Khadija and a Christian right? It is said that after Muhammad received his so-called revelation, that Waraqa confirmed his prophethood by quoting from the Christian and Jewish texts. How could he have quoted a text in a foreign language if a translation of the text didn't exist in his own language?.............. Or how could Waraqa have been a Christian if he wasn't preached to in his own language? Narrated 'Aisha(R): Volume 1, Book 1, Number 3 Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza, who, during the pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to Waraqa, "Listen to the story of your nephew, O my cousin!" Waraqa asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?" Allah's Apostle described whatever he had seen. Waraqa said, "This is the same one who keeps the secrets (angel Gabriel) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and could live up to the time when your people would turn you out." Allah's Apostle asked, "Will they drive me out?" Waraqa replied in the affirmative and said, "Anyone (man) who came with something similar to what you have brought was treated with hostility; and if I should remain alive till the day when you will be turned out then I would support you strongly." But after a few days Waraqa died. Waraqah is someone you wouldn't want to use as an evidence! |
Re: CHRISTIANITY Vs Islam Which Is Older?? by Nobody: 10:18pm On May 24, 2016 |
Demmzy15 is there any shia moderator in that islam for Muslims? One mod keeps banning me whenever i reply "shia.muslim", all my three accounts have been banned. 1 Like |
Re: CHRISTIANITY Vs Islam Which Is Older?? by Demmzy15(m): 11:32pm On May 24, 2016 |
lexiconkabir:Akhi, I don't think so. Maybe it's the anti spam bot, it's happens to me also, in fact I can't post on some subjects about Shia. It happens when you visit antishia sites! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: CHRISTIANITY Vs Islam Which Is Older?? by Presbulg(m): 5:39pm On Jul 03, 2016 |
Islam means submission to the will of God( i.e doing things God wants, following his rules and and regulations and avoiding the things He says he detest) Muslim : a person who submits himself/herself and follows the will of God. All the prophets/messangers of God( From Adam to Mohammed) brought this same message. Islam is a religion from God and not by any man. So I'll say it's Islam. |
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