DMLords:


I want to agree with you on that point but I find plenty of evidence that nullifies that theory.

South Korea is extremely successful and still extremely religious. In the same manner, Europe and the US prospered while under the burden of religion.

I think a satisfied man is quicker to dismiss religion than a broke one. So, if you want to free people from the "chains" of religion, we need to make them comfortable.

In another note, I find the "build and purchase" business model proposed by ymodulus as a good tool for spreading your faith- Christian, Muslim or atheist. If you build a business for somebody, you will have a certain influence on that person and through that influence,you can promulgate your beliefs and hopefully, catch a convert.

Please note, that this is not an effort to drag you into an argument. I am just more focus on healing our society than a person's beliefs. If people are well fed, clothed, warm with a secured future, they will care less about what goes on in heaven and in hell.

Lilbrown007:
The City Of Nazareth Did Not Exist During The Time Jesus Is Reputed To Have Been Alive.

The City of Nazareth is old but not Jesus old. Jesus Christ never existed. Jesus was known as the Nazarene, possibly because he is reputed to have been from Nazareth. For many people there is no reason to doubt this claim. Nazareth exists today, an old town with a long history (and one very famous son) but while Nazareth is old, it is not as old as Jesus or even Christianity. The historian Josephus lists all the cities in Galilee from around that time and Nazareth is not on the list. Nazareth is not mentioned in the Epistles, the first books of the New Testament to be written (see above), indeed there is no reference to the name until the Gospels. Excavations of the current day Nazareth and the surrounding area have led to mixed results. Evidence of human activity has been found from around the time when Jesus was alleged to have lived there but this activity was in the form of a necropolis for the dead and not a village in its own right. An alternative translation of the word Nazarene is ‘truth’ and was a name given to a gnostic sect of Christians. It is possible that when the traditions split and the gnostic heritage was excised from Christianity the phrase was reimagined to state that Jesus was from Nazareth which, of course, was by then in existence.

I have reserched this and it is true. Nazareth was founded around 300 AD. That leaves the qus; who the fu*k wrote the gospels

ValentineMary:
Nice work Lilbrown007 but I believe Jesus was a teacher like many other rabbi in Isreal but the stories surrounding him were cooked up. Just as they lie about the shroud of Turin, stigmatised saints, incorruptable bodies, the picture of Our lady of Guadalupe, etc. Religion na big scam.

Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins
Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel which being interpreted is, God with us.

Even A Chair Just One Chair From Jesus We No See

analice107:

Who is this Cow?

joseph1832:
A man merely voiced his opinion about Jesus' existence, and you readily hasten to label him a 'cow'. Tell me, do you still believe if given the opportunity, knowing you'll walk away from it, you wouldn't strike down a man for not believing in what you believe?

analice107:

Who says I don't have the opportunity to walk away from it? But have I done it? NO.
Joe, I don't want to banter with you, so cool off, but if you come at me, I will he here. Cheers.

joseph1832:
You did you walk away from it? That's the question, since you couldn't ignore the post, I'm more inclined to believe you might not be able to walk away from something like this, in reality. May be the only reason why you'd walk away is because you know fully well you'll be beaten sh1tless. LMAO!.

analice107:

Well. Am not interested in folk like you, so good bye Joe. God bless you.

analice107:

Who is this Cow?

Image123:
Anyone doubting the existence of Jesus Christ in this age is gullible, delusional,not well read and misguided.

2Co 11:10 As the truth of Christ is in me, no man shall stop me of this boasting in the regions of Achaia.
2Co 11:11 Wherefore? because I love you not? God knoweth.
2Co 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
2Co 11:13 For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:22 Are they Hebrews? so [am] I. Are they Israelites? so [am] I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so [am] I.

Lilbrown007:
Common Evidence U Guys Cant Even Bring One So Now Who Is Misguided? Me Or U??

Image123:


What is your definition of evidence, anything that supports your ignorant stance?

Lilbrown007:
Tangible Proof Will Be OK Na

Image123:


I've modified the post. What is tangible proof? Is the Bible tangible proof for instance? If no, what makes it intangible? Give examples of tangible proof of events with similar date.

Image123:


What is your definition of evidence, anything that supports your ignorant stance? Did Paul exist? Was Jesus a political dissident? Did Jesus exist?
Answer the simple questions above and get on the road to sanity and recovery.

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cloudgoddess:

According to Wiki, South Korea isn't extremely religious. 46% of their population isn't religious at all, 22% practice Buddhism which is far removed from any Abrahamic religion and is pretty benign (it's focused on awareness of the self and relies on no external gods).

The last 28% is Catholic & Christian, and that can hardly be counted as an huge proportion. In fact, that's less than the amount of Abrahamic practitioners in the Netherlands - a country well-known for it's non-religiousness.

I concur that people in more developed & educated areas let go of religion more readily. But what about when religion itself plays a role in a country's poor conditions & lack of education? When it's feeding into a destructive cycle.

What you'll find in real religious majority countries (I'd say Christianity/Islam 70%+) is that the governments are often corrupt & the people are uneducated, and religion plays a significant role in maintaining that. Religion might negatively affect a country by,

Acting as "opium to the masses", numbing citizens from taking action to solve their problems because of the false hope of god(s) intervening (this is happening to Nigeria now)

Taking money from citizens and the government (via religious establishments, rituals, and offering/tithes) that could be going to projects like better schools, businesses, & housing

Fueling religious wars that cost billions of dollars and many civilian lives; civilians who could be inventing things, starting companies, etc. The wars in the Middle East come to mind

Actively discouraging individuals from certain areas of study/literature (evolutionary biology, astrophysics, philosophy), and thus limiting scientific progress

Taking up collective mental space & energy that could be routed towards innovation, education, & development

Lilbrown007:
Can U Tell Me The Base On South Korean Religion?? Is It The One Practiced Here In Nigeria That Base On Faith??

DMLords:


I did nor mean to make a comparison here. I was just pointing out that though religion is faulty, our people here can't challenge the pastors and imam that sometimes bring them welfare grains and help.

As a matter of fact,most people view religion as some form if insurance. They actively participate in religious programmes with hopes that they get noticed and they receive help from well to do members. Sometimes just the recognition gives them the entrance into places where opportunity may find them.

My point is and still remains that if we intend to free people from the 'chains' of religion we have to give them the hope, faith and opportunities religion affords them else we will have no success and we will just remain the underdog for another millennium.

Please tell me you see my point...

Lilbrown007:
The Bible Is Simply False

Lilbrown007:

Evidence, broadly construed, is anything presented in support of an assertion. This support may be strong or weak. The strongest type of evidence is that which provides direct proof of the truth of an assertion.

Yes They Existed But Is No Record Of Anyone Named Jesus His Name Might Be Something Else
Yes Paul Existed But From Ur Bible We Could See That He Contradict Jesus A Lot So Anything Coming From Him Cannot Be Trusted Given The Fact That He Also Has A Hand In The Gosple

Image123:

Good definition.



Okay, if i can get you right, Paul and Jesus existed, but Jesus did not exist? No, that cannot be right, that makes no sense. Lemme try again.
Paul and Jesus existed, but the Jesus personality MIGHT have used another name not the name Jesus. i guess this colored is your position. If yes, how do you come to the conclusion that Paul existed, or that this nameless fellow who you seem to have his record existed?

Lilbrown007:
Am Not In The Position To Prove Anything U Are The One That Suppose To Prove If They Existed Or Not Am An Atheist Not Theist How Can U Ask A Buddhist To Prove If Jesus Exist??