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Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by kishimi8(m): 11:26am On Jul 01, 2016 |
lexiconkabir:So you mean your hadith supersedes what the Quran stated clearly? . Better investigate that hadith well Mr. For the conditions given are incomplete |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by pissreligiion: 11:27am On Jul 01, 2016 |
no matter how much it is sugar coated online here, the reality and truth is that those who renounce islam are to be killed. that is the law in islamic nations. 5 Likes |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by cham007: 11:29am On Jul 01, 2016 |
Asalam Alaykum. Ok, first of all i am a muslim and i wish to express my views here and i do not think that oath is needed to allow people to comment in this section. Why muslims get bashing from other people who have different believes is our own mentality towards our own religion. Can u imagine someone here quoting silly stuffs from one hadith to promote why a person of another faith should be killed!!! Sometimes when people say hadith hadith hadith. I prefer to steer clear off those. They only bring about confusion. Anything that is reported never had an ideal or strong ground. Ibn this said ibn that heard the prophet say. Is this what one should base his faith on? The Quran is one and universal. So we should rather make references to the Quran instead. In several verses, it is clear from the Quran that "there is no compulsion in religion". So whatever ibn this said ibn that said the prophet said should be thrown under the carpet. SAY NO TO TERRORISM. @lexiconkabir. I pray Allah guides you. You should keep your mouth shut where knowledgeable people are discussing. Ma Salam and Jumah Mubarak to you all. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by TheDevilIsALai: 11:29am On Jul 01, 2016 |
Taolyn4lif: Islam has survived its 1300yr history of blood by the use of pure terror. Islamic conquest through "holy" war led to Islam's expansion and Islam has maintained its vice grip ever since by employing the threat of death to those who want to reconsider abandoning Islam. Note: it is a moral obligation for all Muslims to kill any Islamic apostate. 3 Likes |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by goingape: 11:30am On Jul 01, 2016 |
Seun:jihad! the only punishment is death! the rest MUSLIM will either SEND demonic attack to you and if you are not strong enough you will either die or be mad. because it is written in the Quran which say: it is better for a impudent or stubborn MUSLIM than for a Muslim who converted to the ways of the unbeliever (that's what those Disney call us)for death shall be his reward. check your Quran it is written there. |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by oracle009(m): 11:32am On Jul 01, 2016 |
Hahahahaha.. Dis is hillarious! Religion of Peace indeed! Lexiconbashir gave a detailed judgement as commended in d hadith. The prophet SAW, was silent on apostates (not disbelievers) and so, the hadith was the only thing we could rely on. Thanks 1 Like |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by Nobody: 11:32am On Jul 01, 2016 |
homies100: Very weak! Everything you said has been taken care of, just read through the thread, and hey! Who is painting islam black, me? Do you practice islam for the kuffar? 1 Like |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by Nobody: 11:35am On Jul 01, 2016 |
cham007: this is will be responded to after sunset insha Allah |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by goingape: 11:36am On Jul 01, 2016 |
pissreligiion:check the Quran it is THERE! but just that nowadays the imam all do meeting not to preach that aspect because them know the impending implications. just take the case of boko haram. them wanted to start bombing churches not when God send confusions among them and they started bombing themselves. 3 Likes |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by kishimi8(m): 11:37am On Jul 01, 2016 |
Empiree: Alhamdulillah, this just settles everything. Lexiconkabir sounds like someone who has been misguided May Allah show him the right path. |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by jojotemitopaz(m): 11:39am On Jul 01, 2016 |
lexiconkabir:the striking difference between the Holy quran and every other book including the Hadiths is the SOURCE. Everyother book cant be void of human sentiments in listeneing expression understanding thus when communicated would have some percentage errors. The way the bible was revealed and being followed by todays christans is similar to haw we muslims follow the Hadiths forgeting that the Quran is the real source directlyFrom Allah Swt while d hadiths are words written by men on how they percieved the prophet SWW in responsing to the messages he got. Treat tour preferences right |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by mayor007(m): 11:39am On Jul 01, 2016 |
lexiconkabir: I don't accept this and will never. You quoting a Hadith we aren't even sure if its authenticity whilst you forgot to quote the verses in The Qur'an that talk about the sanctity of human life. Even Sura Taubah whereby Allah was in a angry mode; I didn't see any verses commanding Rasul (SAW) to slay the munafiqoons and we all know they are even worse than people who left the religion (at least we know where the ones who leave stand). So in an average Yoruba household with an admixture of Muslims and non-Muslims, you are telling me to slay a relation because he/she left Islam. Give me a break. 1 Like |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by mayor007(m): 11:53am On Jul 01, 2016 |
Empiree: Very wonderful rejoinder.
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Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by yahmohy27: 11:56am On Jul 01, 2016 |
Rilwayne001:pls do you really understood Quran at all,Infact even from ur quotations ,its cleared those verses are referring to Kafr and not apostate 4 Likes |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by mayor007(m): 11:56am On Jul 01, 2016 |
Lagusta: He is probably amongst those sects who even believe in the superiority of The Hadith to The Qur'an. His posts just make me wanna projectile-vomit. |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by gaffig: 12:07pm On Jul 01, 2016 |
Topestbilly:Are you sure you are fit to answer the question? Your quotes are so off radar....abaa brother |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by Haphisce: 12:10pm On Jul 01, 2016 |
lexiconkabir: This should clarify your doubt and understanding: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdcrzRMG1q8 The Actual Punishment The majority of scholars throughout history have said that the punishment for someone who commits adultery is death, but there is a very minority opinion that says their punishment is to be lashed, and that the government then has the option of capital punishment on top of the lashing. There has been disagreement historically about the punishment of a life for a life. What if a slave kills a free person, what if a non-Muslim kills a Muslim, or vice versa in either case? The opinion that I believe is stronger, which I rarely say, is what is more applicable to our modern society, is that everyone is the same. Anyone that takes someone else’s life away, regardless of their social, religious, political status is eligible to receive the capital punishment. This punishment and whether it is to be carried out is in the hands of the family of the victim, whether they agree to the capital punishment or choose to forgive the offender. The third case is where the person leaves Islam and the community. This ruling requires an entire political and religious system based on Islam. Not only do they leave their religion, but they are calling against the religion and fighting against the community. Some scholars say regardless of whether they turn against the community or not, once they leave the religion, they should receive capital punishment. Other scholars in history and modern time say it’s not applicable to someone that only leaves Islam but if they leave Islam and commit treason then they are eligible for the death penalty. At the end of the day, these are all possibilities and the government chooses what laws it implements. Just because it’s a possibility, doesn’t mean it will be chosen. So governance and political theory get very complicated. Overall, someone else’s life and blood are very important and cannot be touched without textual support and government-based action. On top of that there are also strict ways to establish guilt in these cases. When it comes to confessing, some scholars say it’s actually better not to confess and to keep one’s sins secret. Rather, they should make sincere repentance to Allah and move on. May Allah (swt) give us an understanding and forgive us for our sins and shortcomings. 4 Likes |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by Nobody: 12:12pm On Jul 01, 2016 |
There is only three instances where people should be killed 1) A person who murdered someone intentionally 2) An person who commits adultery 3) An apostate 1 Like |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by Nobody: 12:14pm On Jul 01, 2016 |
The ruling of execution because of a word that somebody utters is what the Muslim scholars call al-riddah (apostasy). What is apostasy and what constitutes apostasy? What is the ruling on the apostate (al-murtadd)? 1 – Riddah (apostasy) refers to when a Muslim becomes a disbeliever by saying a clear statement to that effect, or by uttering words which imply that (i.e., which imply kufr or disbelief), or he does something that implies that (i.e., an action which implies kufr or disbelief). 2 – What constitutes apostasy The matters which constitute apostasy are divided into four categories: (a) Apostasy in beliefs, such as associating others with Allaah, denying Him, or denying an attribute which is proven to be one of His attributes, or by affirming that Allaah has a son. Whoever believes that is an apostate and a disbeliever. (b) Apostasy in words, such as insulting Allaah or the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). (c) Apostasy in actions, such as throwing the Qur’an into a filthy place, because doing that shows disrespect towards the words of Allaah, so it is a sign that one does not believe. Other such actions include prostrating to an idol or to the sun or moon. (d) Apostasy by omission, such as not doing any of the rituals of Islam, or turning away from following it altogether. 3 – What is the ruling on the apostate? If a Muslim apostatizes and meets the conditions of apostasy – i.e., he is of sound mind, an adult and does that of his own free will – then his blood may be shed with impunity. He is to be executed by the Muslim ruler or by his deputy – such as the qaadi or judge, and he is not to not be washed (after death, in preparation for burial), the funeral prayer is not to be offered for him and he is not to be buried with the Muslims. The evidence that the apostate is to be executed is the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2794). What is meant by religion here is Islam (i.e., whoever changes from Islam to another religion). The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible to shed the blood of a Muslim who bears witness that there is no god except Allaah and that I am His Messenger, except in one of three cases: a soul for a soul (i.e., in the case of murder); a married man who commits adultery; and one who leaves his religion and splits form the jamaa’ah (main group of Muslims).” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6878; Muslim, 1676) See al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 22/180. Thus it will be clear to you that execution of the apostate is something that is commanded by Allaah, when he commanded us to obey the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as He says (interpretation of the meaning): “O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority” [al-Nisa’ 4:59] And the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) has commanded us to execute the apostate as in the hadeeth quoted above: “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.” It may need some time for you to be convinced about this matter, and for you to think about it. Perhaps you think that if a person follows the truth and enters into it and embraces the one true religion which Allaah has enjoined, then we allow him to leave it quite easily whenever he wants and to utter the words of kufr (disbelief) that put him outside of Islam, so he can reject Allaah, His Messenger, His Books and His religion, and there is no punishment as deterrent, how will that affect him and others who enter the religion? Do you not see that this would make the one true religion, that everyone should follow, like a shop or store which a person can enter when he wants and leave when he wants, and it may encourage others to forsake the truth. Moreover, this is not someone who has never known the truth and practiced it and worshipped in accordance with it; rather this is a person who has known the truth, and practiced the religion and done the rituals of worship, so the punishment is no greater than he deserves. Moreover, such strong rulings as this are only applied to such a person whose life is no longer considered to be useful, because he knew the truth and followed the religion, then he left it and forsook it. What soul can be more evil than the soul of such a person? In conclusion, the answer is that Allaah is the One Who revealed this religion and enjoined it. He is the One Who ruled that the one who enters it and then leaves it is to be executed. This ruling does not come from the Muslims’ ideas or suggestions. As this is the case, then we must follow the ruling of Allaah so long as we are content to accept Him as our Lord and God. May Allaah help us and you to do that which He loves and which pleases Him. We thank you once again. Peace be upon those who follow true guidance. https://islamqa.info/en/20327 |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by gaffig: 12:15pm On Jul 01, 2016 |
Rilwayne001:You don't need to believe if , it is Shariah and it's not humanly written. but definitely you believe capital punishment for treason? May Allah increase our knowledge and may He accept our ibadah during Ramadan and hereafter 5 Likes |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by gaffig: 12:17pm On Jul 01, 2016 |
kishimi8:For you that have quoted the quran, your evidence is not relevant to apostasy , it's pointing to Kufar. .. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by gaffig: 12:20pm On Jul 01, 2016 |
Antina:Subhanallah, if not for the oath, I would have asked if you are a Muslim, can you tell me where you can get what the prophet said and also tell me why the quran was sent to Rasulullah (peace be upon him) not to everybody to interpret? Please kindly fine more knowledge may Allah enrich you |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by Nobody: 12:22pm On Jul 01, 2016 |
Seun: Seun pls do your research properly and stop asking for others opinion on nairaland . If you really want to gain knowledge nairaland isn't the right place to do so. Try islamqa.info/en 1 Like |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by gaffig: 12:22pm On Jul 01, 2016 |
Antina:No he wouldn't kill him, he wil km be taking to a Qadi (a judge in sharia court)and he will be convinced and examined after every benefit of doubt the court will pass the judgement 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by Nobody: 12:24pm On Jul 01, 2016 |
People need to stop speaking without knowledge!!!! That itself its wrong! 1 Like |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by yahmohy27: 12:25pm On Jul 01, 2016 |
lexiconkabir:oya answer it,if not from that same Hadiths |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by Haphisce: 12:29pm On Jul 01, 2016 |
Seun: My own view on the proper punishment for apostate will also be the Quranic view on apostate because THE QURAN is the only BOOK, the only MIRACLE of Muslims. The Quran discusses apostasy in many of its verses. But those who reject Faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of Faith,- never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have (of set purpose) gone astray. — Quran 3:90 Make ye no excuses: ye have rejected Faith after ye had accepted it. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you, for that they are in sin. — Quran 9:66 He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief-- on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement. — Quran 16:106 Other Qur'anic verses refer to apostasy. The Quran reprimands apostasy in Islam, and appears to suggest that it deserves coercion and severe punishment and that apostates are damned. However, there is no mention of any specific corporal punishment for apostates to which they are to be subjected in this world, nor do Qur'anic verses refer, whether explicitly or implicitly, to the need to force an apostate to return to Islam or to kill him if he refuses to do so. As for the Hadith which states that apostate should be killed, my believe is "Any hadith which contradict the holy Quran is NEVER authentic" 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by yahmohy27: 12:40pm On Jul 01, 2016 |
lexiconkabir:Gbam ,brother Jazaka Allahu khaira and increases in knowledge about Islam.Ameen |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by yahmohy27: 12:45pm On Jul 01, 2016 |
eitsei:Why not you ask him earlier if the rule can applied in Nigeria ? That doesn't stop people from accepting the religious of Islam my brother |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by Herbarium: 12:46pm On Jul 01, 2016 |
Contact17:This is nothing but the pure truth.Lexiconkabir & contact17 have said it all. Having the right knowledge is key to practicing Islam & not making judgement based on one's opinion. May ALLAH bless both of you. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by yahmohy27: 12:48pm On Jul 01, 2016 |
lexiconkabir:Nagode |
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