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| Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by ShiaMuslim: 2:02am On Jul 22, 2016 |
Demmzy15: na by force for Tusi to help you? na who una help? shia iran is helping sunni palestinians but you're still ungrateful.
yeah, nice theory. but isis never attacks israel too. and israel is saudi ally. and besides, Medina has majority Shia indigenous population, and the attack was targeting Shia in Medina. read on the Nakhawilah of Medina, the indigenous Shia population the saudi govt do not want you to know of. in the last two week, Iran has busted two wahhabi terror cells related to ISIS planning to attack Iran, and particularly Tehran. isis has not attacked Iran because Iranians are majority Shia and they do not offer safe haven in their societies for wahhabi terrorists. they are quickly identified and fished out. a quick google search will reveal what i am expressing here. two isis terror cells arrested by iranian security forces. https://www.rt.com/news/347691-iran-terrorist-plot-ramadan/ http://www.ibtimes.co.in/iran-foils-major-terrorist-attacks-tehran-other-provinces-683519
keep whining and forming stories from your fantasies!!! first fantasy: shia kill sunnis bearing sunni names. what if those bearing those names are terrorists? one attack after the other since 2003 targeting shia civilians, and killing hundreds week in and week out, and you expect the iraqis to fold their arms and not get rid of terrorists? they get rid of those terrorists on the battlefield, fighting man to man; not through coward suicide bombing targeting civilians indiscriminately. why were Sunni civilians from Anbar province rushing to Najaf (a Shia and holy city in Iraq) for safe haven and to escape ISIS if Sunni civilians were being killed? this was in the news google will help you: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/07/iraq-ramadan-iftar-food-poor-charity-sectarianism.html but i could not find any news source stating that it was Sunni civilians targeted for bearing those names you mentioned. second fantasy, is that iran gives palestinians weapons to kill 2 zionists and make israel kill 20 "muslims". mehn! these iranians must be either geniuses or witches!!! they give weapons that can even control the number of enemy deaths, and also determine the number of deaths the enemies will inflict in retaliation. the height of ingratitude that is what you fool have displayed. but i honestly do not understand if you are a child who is wasting my time through your rubbish theories, or your mind is just extremely stupid. how does your mind concoct such stupid imaginations? so you kill Shia in bahrain and yemen, and then you blame the Shia when an oppressive bahrain police get a stone reaching his head by unarmed bahraini protesters. since your wahhabi saudi started bombing yemen, over 10,000 yemeni civilians (Zaidi Shias) have been killed, and about a 1000 children. the UN listed saudi arabia among those who abuse children's right and kill children. saudi threatened to cut funds to the UN if Ban Ki Moon does not delist saudi arabia. within a week, Moon dropped saudi arabia from the list of children killers: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/09/middleeast/saudi-arabia-un-children/ |
| Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Demmzy15(m): 2:27am On Jul 22, 2016 |
I'm just going to reply to the most absurd post I've ever heard. You stated: "yeah, nice theory. but isis never attacks israel too. and No you missed it entirely, Iran hates Israel(even tho there are friends from behind the scenes), ISIS claims to hate Shias, but kills and beheads Sunnis in Iraaq and Syria. But this three entities are allies, they're working for each other. Iran=Israel=ISIS,Iran went ahead to harbor al-Qaeda operatives who later gave birth to ISIS. Makes perfect sense, Iran destabilizes Sunni countries, Israel kills Sunni Palestinians, ISIS kills Iraaqi, Palestinian, Saudi, Nigerian Sunnis. and besides, Medina has majority Shia indigenous population, and the attack was targeting Shia in Medina. read on the Nakhawilah of Medina, the indigenous Shia population the saudi govt do not want you to know of. Who doesn't know of the Shias of Medina? Na wa o. The Population of Medina is around 1,000,000 and for you to claim the Shias who don't even constitute up to 40,000 to be majority shows that you're probably missing some nuts from your head!  The attacker attacked near the Prophet's mosque and many pilgrims were there, and there's no evidence whatsoever that he the attacker targeted Shias of Medina. When you concoct rubbish, a times I'm astonished at the way you see people to be gullible. Lol!! Anyways, I'm done, abeg no quote me again, because if you do, I won't answer you! 2 Likes |
| Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Amoto94(m): 8:51am On Jul 22, 2016 |
How do you know that your child has become khaarijee & is ready to join Daa'ish (ISIS)? How do you know that your child has become khaarijee & is preparing to join Daa'ish (ISIS)? ~ Ash-Shaykh Ahmad as-Subay'ee ~ 1. He begins to practice the Deensuddenly (without showing any previous signs of interest in practicing & carrying out the rites & obligations of Islaam). 2. He shows concern & dedication towards worship & the Qur'aan, but you don't see him showing concern for true, correct knowledge & the Sunnah. 3. He meets & mixes with people who are not known (to you) or those who are well-known for Takfeer (declaring other Muslims to be disbelievers) from those who manifest "shaykhness" (traits of being a religious authority or person of knowledge). 4. He declares the Muslim ruler to be akaafir or does not believe that his being the ruler is correct according to the Sharee'ah & (nor does he believe in) the obligation of giving him bay'ah & obeying him. 5. He does not denounce or criticize thejamaa'aat al-Islaamiyyah (the innovated Islaamic political parties & groups), except for their ties to the state (government) & their political activism only. 6. He is not repulsed & disgusted by the sources of Takfeer. Rather he might take from them (as sources of knowledge), like Sayyid Qutb & other than him. So if you see these signs, knowledge-based or (signs in his) behavior, then begin to talk to him directly & clearly with Sunnah & denouncing & rejecting the bid'ah of khurooj, which is the base & background of the Khawaarij. So if you see from him stubbornness or hardheadedness, then hasten him to some of the students of knowledge who are upon the Sunnah, far away from the (innovated) jamaa'aat, in order to rush in trying to purify him from this bid'ah. And it is incumbent here that you beware of some affairs that could possibly be a reason for his falling intofitnah & being tried & afflicted. From them: 1. That you put down & criticize his practicing the religion & his striving to carry out acts of obedience & acts of goodness. 2. That you describe him with being too strict in his holding on to the Sunnah of the Messenger صلى الله عليه و على آله و سلم. 3. That you find fault with most of those who are steadfast (in practicing the religion) generally or the like of that, from which he may understand or feel that you don't honor & respect Allaah, nor His Sharee'ah & His prescribed rites, for indeed, that will (only) increase him in evil & fitnah. 4. That you demonstrate to him your faith & goodness of your Islaam, & that you be a good, righteous role model to him. So you accompany him to the congregational prayers in the masjid, & you read the Speech of Allaah, the Qur'aan with Him, & you cooperate with him & help him in doing good (for indeed this will extinguish the spark ofbid'ah from him, إن شاء الله). 5. That you remedy the issue like how is described in the clear, apparentahaadeeth of the Messenger of Allaahصلى الله عليه و على آله و سلم regarding the Khawaarij & that it is an issue of Sunnah & bid'ah, & Haqq & baatil (don't drag your feet by beginning to approach the issue as some kind of need or a psychological disorder). And Allaah is the One Asked that He protect us & the Muslims from bid'a& ahwaa', in particularly the bid'ah of the Khawaarij, & that He protect us from evil & fitan. -------------------------- Rendered into English by Aboo Sufyaan 'Uthmaan Beecher |
| Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by ShiaMuslim: 9:31am On Jul 22, 2016 |
Demmzy15: you guys are the most terrible people one can reason with. so you state that: 1.) Iran supplies Palestinians low standard weapons not to deliberately harm Israel enough. 2.) Iran hates Israel 3.) Iran and Israel are friends behind the scene. i am confused!!!  on the other hand, you have wahhabi saudi that does not help the palestinians with weapons, and not even with money (except selectively) and they have ties with Israel openly. i am yet to read one credible source, other than sectarian propaganda to make you feel good that Iran is friendly with israel behind the scenes. but Saudi Prince Turki al-Faisal openly meets with Israeli officials. a quick google search will prove these my claims; but your fantastic claims are beyond google. 
nice fantasy. so ISIS kills hundreds of Shias in Iraq, and plans attacks in Iran, and they are friends with Iran.the mind of a sectarian Sunni! we are talking of ISIS as Wahhabi. ISIS is Wahhabi. and the point is Wahhabis do kill Sunnis too, but to a less degree. they kill Sunnis in Iraq and Syria who support the state/government, Sunni army officers and their relatives, and Sunnis who reject their wahhabi takfiri killings and ideology. the scourge of Wahhabi Takfirism and Takfirim killing can make Wahhabis to kill themselves. the point that Wahhabis kill fellow Sunnis or even kill themselves IS NOT NEWS. this is the disease of TAKFIRI KILLINGS. ANYONE WHO IS NOT UP TO THEIR SELECTIVE STANDARD OF "MUSLIM" (even among wahhbis themselves) OR WHO THEY DEEM "NOT MUSLIM ENOUGH", THEY KILL HIM. the danger is they are playing God!!! Last week in the news, ISIS was killing its own members either based on Takfir (they turned "apostates" ) or based on "treason". you keep mentioning "Sunni" to blanket the atrocities of Wahhabis. you are the one adopting the Wahhabis and all they stand for. i keep saying Wahhabis, and you keep saying "Sunnis". every Sunni can become easily a Wahhabi or is vulnerable to become a Wahhabi through brainwashing and recruitment because Wahahabis answer "Sunni". but the truth is not every Sunni is Wahhabi and the majority are not. open your eyes lest you fall victim unsuspectingly.
source please. even the CIA has never made such a claim.
what is the definition of "destabilize"? when saudi beheads its Shia population just for speaking up or protesting, is that Iran's fault that there is oppression in Saudi? we are not talking about politics and theories from your imagination. you are drifting from the thread ALL BECAUSE YOU WANT TO GIVE BLANKET COVER TO WAHHABISM and BECAUSE WAHHABISM IS EQUATED WITH SAUDI AND THEY ANSWER "SUNNI". stop drifting and focus on TERRORISM WHICH THEY SPREAD. the Shias of Medina constitute the majority of the indigenous population. understand that the saudis wont tell you that fact.
it wasn't very or too close to the Prophet's (s) mosque. that is the truth. but now ask yourself, is this the first time Wahhabi militants are attacking either of the two holy cities in Saudi? how many times have they laid siege to them, used violence, kill people there, even starting with their predecessor and hero whom they love, the murderer of the Prophet's grandson Yazeed? didnt Yazeed destroy the Ka'bah? didnt wahhabi terrorists lay siege to Makkah that took the help of Pakistani special forces to end the siege? holy violence by wahhabis!!!  |
| Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Nobody: 11:00am On Jul 22, 2016 |
so much knowledge and insight everywhere.. impressive! but still very little effort at finding a solution.. perhaps there is no solution because we do not want one.. why even bother talk about it.. let the violence continue.. goodbye |
| Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Harlarjay: 11:07am On Jul 22, 2016 |
hello, dere is nothing like terrorist in Islam, so stop keep saying Islamist terrorism 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by mrrights: 11:08am On Jul 22, 2016 |
From Orlando to Surakarta, Paris to Baghdad, and Dakha to Monguno, terror in the name of Islam has seized the world. Thousands of people are dead while many in hospitals, with cut limbs and in horrible pains, are wondering whether surviving was really worth celebrating. As more than a billion strong Muslims all over the world are confused, disturbed and frustrated by the unfolding murderous acts of some misguided Muslim individuals and groups, the rest of the world is becoming terrified of having Muslims as neighbours and friends in most parts of the world. It has to be a difficult time for all. It is a fact that most of the dead and wounded are Muslims. But when your brother is gunned down by an ‘Allahu Akbar’- shouting man or when a young girl clad in hijab enters a shopping mall and detonates a bomb that consumes your bosom friend, it is difficult to expect you to start reading the Qur’an just to know whether their acts where actually sanctioned by Islam or not. You won’t have time for that. Indeed if I place myself in non-Muslim shoes, I will see that the terrorist acts of the recent past were committed by people of as varied social status as possible that are claiming to be doing it in the name of Islam. You find in the suspects the rich and the poor, the literate and the illiterate, the male and the female and young and the old – all of them claiming Islam. If the common denominator is Islam, why should I be expected to blame anything else? This is what we Muslims need to factor in when rationalizing reactions from non-Muslims. Ordinarily, even a rudimentary knowledge of Islamic scripture, history and philosophy tells you that the most valuable of God’s creation is human life. The Prophet of Islam had never raised his weapon or instructed anyone to raise his weapon except in self-defence. The rule of law is sacrosanct – no one is allowed to take the law into his own hands. But when some Muslims lynched a non-Muslim lady in Kano for allegedly desecrating their Muslim ways, which non-Muslim would listen to you when you try to exonerate the faith? There is a popular Hausa saying – ‘Dan kuka shi ke jawowa uwarsa jifa.’ In other words, it is what we do while being Muslims (or claiming Islam) that will tell the world what Islam is all about. Considering the kinds of Muslims we are today, that is so unfair on Islam. It is grossly unfair on a religion that is founded on the principles of peace, tolerance, literacy and kindness. Who would listen to that now? This is why I think we Muslims have a lot of work to do. And we needed to start yesterday. But before you think I am too naïve or ignorant of the roles of non-Muslim individuals and nations in generating, contributing to and sustaining the negative narrative against Islam, I assure you I read a lot about that. I know that not only Islam, but also all monotheistic religions are now fair game to the ungodly world. However, I am also aware that no false flag operation will succeed without the active participation of the target or its appendages. There is a legitimate claim that Farouk Abdulmutallab may have been a victim of a false flag operation, but clearly he actually thought he was doing something for Islam. Even his father alluded to that. Most of the suspects arrested in various churches and mosques bombings in Nigeria are Muslims. So even if we accept that there are puppeteers somewhere else, it is clear that there are some Muslims at least amongst the puppets. No doubt Islam is facing threats both internally and externally. But it is the internal that we must focus on first so as to put our house in order. I believe if we focus all our energy in looking inwards and paying attention to what is happening in our homes and in our localities, we can nip a lot of these dangers in the bud. We must first know what our children and other dependants are being taught in Islamiyya schools. Who are their teachers? Where did the teachers study? This is because these things normally start with small bits that you may innocently ignore at your own peril. Recently, my six-year old child met me listening to a Phil Collins song called ‘Both Sides’. It is fine song that talks about the need to hear both sides of any story before you reach any conclusion. She looked at me disapprovingly and said, ‘Our teacher said music is haram (prohibited) to listen to. ‘Really?’ I asked. That was when I found myself struggling to explain concepts like context, content, school of thought, etc, to a six year old! She’s not even old enough to be instructed to pray, for God’s sake. But when the following week this same girl came to tell me that we should not celebrate birthdays again because their teacher said it was also haram, I had to act immediately. Now if I were not close to my children, there is every chance that one teacher out there would quietly indoctrinate my children with some rigid or wrong interpretations of Islamic principles. Before you know it, your children would be looking at you as a godless individual that doesn’t deserve their time. And that would be only the beginning. That is why I say we need to be paying close attention to what is being taught to members of our household, neighbours and relations. Going to the mosque is necessary not only to pray but also to personally assess what is being shared and contribute to it. We must pay attention to preaching during Ramadhan in public and on radios and televisions. We must do this because there are verses in the Holy Qur’an that can easily be misquoted, misinterpreted and misused by evil people to create disaffection, promote hatred and foment trouble within Islam and between Muslims and others. We all MUST endeavour to know these verses, the context in which they were revealed and the correct interpretation so we can educate our families and associates. Some of the exploitable verses include Q: 2:191, 2:216, 2:217-218, 2:244, 48:29, 47:4, 33:23, 9:5, 9:29, 9:91, 8:12-13, 5:33, 5:51, 5:54, 4:76, 4:89 and 4:95. It is our duty to ensure that nobody within the house of Islam gives it a bad name ever again. This is something that we as individuals must do to help this religion survive this internal attack. We must disarm these agents of madness with real knowledge. By now, it must be very clear to one and all that no amount of arms and ammunition will completely defeat people that base their attacks on ideology. You must use the correct ideology to defeat them. This war must be fought from within. Knowledge would prevent them from having new recruits. Who knows, perhaps even some of them may eventually accept the correct interpretation and mend their ways. It is a very difficult time for Muslims in Iraq and Syria, non-Muslims in Europe and America, Muslims and non-Muslims in Nigeria and Islam and other religions all over the world. May God both guide and protect us to do the right thing. God bless. 6 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by dare2differ: 11:12am On Jul 22, 2016 |
I thought you guys would avoid this thread. It seems like you don't know who the op is. Please ignore this thread. You need to delete every of your post on this thread!  Mrrights Empiree: 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Empiree: 11:17am On Jul 22, 2016 |
dare2differ:  |
| Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by hustler86(m): 11:19am On Jul 22, 2016 |
Seun: @OP, that's a very nice write up with a big question? , but the answer is simple  , Oh u rili think I av somtin to say... |
| Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Nobody: 11:21am On Jul 22, 2016 |
Seun: have you considered in even the most remote equation that... they are not bothered in the least (a measured valid generalization based on the impact of numbers of Muslims) |
| Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Empiree: 11:26am On Jul 22, 2016 |
Demmzy15:I dont understand why he failed to discern that. 1 Like |
| Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Talk2bryant(m): 11:28am On Jul 22, 2016 |
Lagusta: Bro I'm a muslim, this is the extract from my koran. The verse talks about yahoodi (jews) and nasoora (christians); the verse didn't mention mushrikun or kahfirun, idolaters or disbelievers respectively
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| Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by piissreligion: 11:29am On Jul 22, 2016 |
lol. darkness cannot fight darkness the leader of the Islamic State has a Bachelor, Masters and Ph.D in Islamic studies and yet they do these things..... |
| Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Empiree: 11:33am On Jul 22, 2016 |
DevotedOne:I really like the way you begin your every post. That's sweet. At first I would think you sound like robot  . But then, you also sound like Sheikh Abdul Rahim Oniwasi Agbaye (Rohimohullah) |
| Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by slye(m): 11:41am On Jul 22, 2016 |
MakeWeTalk: Congrats |
| Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Yinkame123(m): 11:42am On Jul 22, 2016 |
May Allah reward you immensely for this clarifications. The problem with antagonist of Islam is that there heart and mind are sealed and they care not to check facts before jumping into conclusions. In this age of internet if anyone says anything that is not true a simple google search is enough to reveal the truth. Jazaka lahua ahira ademoladeji: |
| Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Empiree: 11:43am On Jul 22, 2016 |
everydayperson:You see, the way the Shia brother is driving this thread, something I already foreseen, would never end well. That's why I keep telling him that the way he's going about it will bring nothing fourth. Seems to me this thread is stalled. As for solution, in my honest opinion, if this thread was not driven in to sectarian trash, would be West should remove ALL their political and economy interest from the Muslim nations. Second, remove their army bases. Will they ever do this?. No. No, because they can not sustain without Islam, NEVER!. That's why terror!sm will continue. See how simple I break this down without diving into sectratianism 1 Like |
| Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Talk2bryant(m): 11:44am On Jul 22, 2016 |
dare2differ:you didn't address the topic, you attacked the personality instead which has been a trend among our muslim brothers offline/online. 1 Like |
| Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by cham007: 11:45am On Jul 22, 2016 |
There is more or less no solution. Or mayb a very long time slow healing process. The only way out is the education of muslims in the light of the Quran. The Quran and i mean the Quran. If we have the likes of lexiconkabir among others still spread their ill fated hadiths to justify their ignorance, i wonder how the world would be a better place. |
| Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Nobody: 11:46am On Jul 22, 2016 |
dare2differ: Your thinking leaves zero room for open-mindedness - you assume every non-muslim hates you or will ultimately hate you therefore you kill young girls before they give birth to more muslim haters (metaphorically speaking). I am just giving you the short on your personality given the above quoted post. If you have Islam bashers and haters.. it is not new.. not everyone loves Islam and not everyone will agree with you no matter how well you couch your post.. what is true however is that there is a non-relative Universal Truth that cuts across religion, social themes, tradition, ethnicity, race and culture.. I am sure you can guess what that is.. LOVE (yes.. go on, don't be shy to mention it even in your thoughts) It is what we all seek in the end not whose God or whose religion is the best.. that is what the @OP is driving at.. but I can relate with you.. many with like minds abound in their millions.. that is why I have resigned to knowing that there will be no solution in my lifetime. I pity the yet unborn for the world we have prepared for them.. they will surely curse us as we have our forefathers 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by highbeeola(m): 11:51am On Jul 22, 2016 |
MakeWeTalk: Learn islam not from muslims, my brother. |
| Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by BayLord01(m): 11:53am On Jul 22, 2016 |
Tired defending my religion, Islam will defend itself. And one of the declaration before the comment is very wrong, Muhammed is not the only prophet but one of the prophet and the last of them. |
| Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by DevotedOne(m): 11:55am On Jul 22, 2016 |
Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim. As salaamu alaykum. I say, convert the bad into the good. Don't waste time arguing about who started the thread. The thread is obviously being infiltrated by.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhu0Ec3JKRI The Knowledge of The Infallible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nlfcXBmM4E Saudi Arabia: A Regime Declining? Wassalaam. DevotedOne |
| Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by marvelife: 11:56am On Jul 22, 2016 |
I love this religion but what i read about them makes me scared.... To the elites in this religion please educate the younger ones so that things would change in future i am a born Christian but i believe the world will be a better place if we love each other some Muslims believes in Jesus Christ... Some Christians also believe pro. Mohamed SAW was truly Gods messenger lets try peace one more time slalom |
| Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Empiree: 12:00pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
marvelife:Just avoid sectarianism, study islam from broad views and most importantly, do a soul searching REMINDER! that's is the genesis of PEACE Dhikrllah {Remembrance Of God) |
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