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Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by nijabazaar: 12:02pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
Lagusta: plz do, i implore u.... the day u will show me any christian group rampaging and destroying properties of Muslim adherents (not in a war zone) i would Denounce Christ. Dont show me Jews (isreali) .....show me christians in the act (from 1900 down to now) 1 Like |
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by dare2differ: 12:02pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
Well I am and know that he doesn't care at all. Please ignore ShiaMuslim, let him continue his madness. Whatever he is trying to explain to op, op already knows it. Yes, I am talking about the wahabi, shia and Sunni stuff. The op maybe ***** but he is not completely ignorant . ShiaMuslim is just being fo.ol to think op gives a flying g fvck about his opinion! Empiree: 1 Like |
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Lagusta(m): 12:04pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
Talk2bryant: My dear brother that is the verse I am talking about!!! Read my explanation on that verse..... |
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Amoto94(m): 12:05pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
@seun and others who wish to seek the truth I'd urge you all to visit the following websites to research and learn about the position of Muslims and their scholars in the matter being discussed: IslamIslamagainstextremism.com abukhadeejah.com islaam.ca troid.ca salafitalk.com 1 Like |
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by buJu234: 12:07pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
i think the problem with Islam is from its foundation & its founder. Did the first Muslim led by Mohammad fight wars? if the answer is yes; then u dont expect his followers(weather centuries later not to do same) Did Mohammad fight against the so called unbelievers like the Jews etc; inorder to spread Islam? if yes then u dont expect his followers.. So whomever is trying to interprete the Koran & Hadiths in whatever way; whether to support killing or not; will always find it difficult as far the above are true. This is also the reason why the Jews(Israelis) will always strike back when attacked; cos Moses told them if u re slapped; return the slap back. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by lafex: 12:09pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
youngaz:Alhamdulillah, you have said it all. In addition to what you said I will like to tell u how these terrorists wanted to invade all tertiary institutions with their ideology about ten years ago when boko haram was coming up. I hwas fortunate to attend the first university in the north. They mount their agents to the hostel in which I stayed throughout my schooling in the school to brainwash innocent youth by showing videos of different fights in jos nor (which was the latteast crisis in nigeria then), kaduna south crisis, 9/11 story and subsequent wars that follw it. The videos consist of the documentries shows how people are being massacred and bombed. While watching the videos they were telling us ' will u be folding ur hands by allowing this kufar(non believers to be killing us like that?' While watchimg the documentries my heads would be swelling up (like garri ijebi) and I would be pitying my fellow muslims. Thank God that we had people like Abu Sufyan that engaged them in public debate before the situation gone viral. When the MSSN noticed that this brainwah was going beyond expectation, they subjected the group to public debate by presenting one person each from the two sects (the MSSN and the terrorist group). The public debate lasted for days but they were still adamant to stop the brainwashing. Then the MSS later report them to the school authority who later expel and suspend some of them. in conclution, the solution to the terrorism is public debate by islamic schorlars with terrorist leaders to enlighten the public and their potential members but most of the scholars are afraid of their evil deeds the way they killed Albani Zaria (raheemau Allahu Alahi) with his family. May the Almighty Allah continue to guide us. Ameen 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Lagusta(m): 12:13pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
nijabazaar: Well, you asked for it..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army?wprov=sfla1 And in that link..... Lord’s Resistance Army is just the name of the movement, because we are fighting in the name of God. God is the one helping us in the bush. That’s why we created this name, Lord’s Resistance Army. And people always ask us, are we fighting for the Ten Commandments of God. That is true – because the Ten Commandments of God is the constitution that God has given to the people of the world. All people. If you go to the constitution, nobody will accept people who steal, nobody could accept to go and take somebody’s wife, nobody could accept to kill the innocent, or whatever. The Ten Commandments carries all this. |
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Empiree: 12:15pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
dare2differ:Lol!...that's what I am telling him. He's not applying wisdom. I told him several times to eschew but he thinks I am hiding "facts". 2 Likes |
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by nijabazaar: 12:21pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
This is also the reason why the Jews(Israelis) will always strike back when attacked; cos Moses told them if u re slapped; return the slap back. ^^^the sooner Christians start doing the above ...wwe would have a better and equal world. |
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by marvelife: 12:22pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
God bless us all the world shall experience unity again Empiree: Empiree: Empiree: 1 Like |
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by nijabazaar: 12:24pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
Lagusta: u just gave me the name of a militia group in uganda...fighting Musoveni.. I want one destroying churches, killin people for dancing nude, Killin people for preachin....dont give me militias those attacking politicians 1 Like |
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Amoto94(m): 12:26pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
dare2differ:With your display here even the unbiased Non-Muslims won't bother to research the truth about Islam and Muslims position on what Islam is all about. Don't be harsh to those asking pertinent questions as your answers may be for you or against you on judgment day. Muslims are taught to be just and balanced in their dealing and you are in opposition to this teaching. Let's clarify the truth no matter the hidden agenda, someone might be saved from ruin by clarifying the truth to him/her. barakallahu feek 1 Like |
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by AminuRano87(m): 12:37pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
My answers are as follows: Q.1. Yes, there are somthings that make Muslim youths very easy to join terrorism. Q.2. The things are Quran(Holy Book) Hadith(Teachings and Actions of the Prophet)and Siira(History of Islam) Q.3. What is to be done is to Educate the Muslims on the New World Order. Muslims should reject the violent parts of the Quran, Hadith and Sira. Muslims should be taught to be Tolerant of other people of different religions. 1 Like |
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by kellybently(m): 12:37pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
MakeWeTalk:y can't u complete all the verse u . u cut the one that favour ur comment. quran 2 vs 191. And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers. (English - Shakir) via iQuran
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Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by emperorscoon(m): 12:38pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
i believe the question we should all ask ourselves is" who is a muslim" what qualifies you as a muslim.... no terrorist is a muslim you can argue all you want...you can quote all you want...a true Muslim will never harm anyone..be it Christian idol worshipper or whatever... Islam is based on the philosophy of peace..justice n selflessness to talk about Islam you need to learn about Islam..not just what you see in the news...please read ..research.... may Allah help us all.. |
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Everfrank(m): 12:41pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
Seun:Seun should have first told us his understanding of terrorism- is it the dictionary definition or western/christian definition? 1.So far as its only violence perpetrated by Muslims or people who claim to be muslims that is labelled terrrorrism then the end to acts of terror by Muslims is a utopia. 2. The US, UK and their allies sowed the seed of hatred and terrorism in the middle east by Illegally establishing Israel on stolen and forcibly taken land. They support and Finance the terror state of Israel to kill millions of Palestinians and take their land. It's this same problem that is polarizing the world till today. 3.They enforced and supported dictators and unpopular monarchies and subverted the Arabs for long. They labelled the non conformist states as axis of evil that must be taken out. 3. The western military industrial conglomerates amassed arms for the Arab states and used their media cum CNN, Fox news, Sky news, BBC, VOA etc to spread false propaganda. 4. They fabricated lies and took war to the middle east beginning with Afghanistan then Iraq, Libya, Syria etc thereby destroying civilizations older than their own and killing millions and destroying livelihoods. Those wars created for them more enemies out of the innocent victims. 5. A young man/woman that lost the entire members of his immediate family to a US drone can be easily convinced to "retaliate". Wouldn't you Seun? I am not supporting or justifying any violence. Neither does my religion Islam. Christian are being unfair to us by associating any violence by a Muslim to Islam. Even though Christian nations and christians are the purveyors of war and violence all over the world we don't blame Christianity for that. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by lafex: 12:41pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
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Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Nobody: 12:42pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
hahn:So, if someone raises arms against you, you will si down and allow him kill you while you can defend yourself. You are a joker. Islam tollerates a lot. Its the brainwashed ones that do otherwise |
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by ShiaMuslim: 1:02pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
Empiree: Brother, you are not getting my point. My insistence on focusing on Wahhabism and it's takfiri killings is not just sectarian. Your insistence to turn a blind eye to Wahhabism is why we can never as Muslims be able to collectively and consensually find a Muslim solution to terrorism. You are already in denial and I hope Seun sees that is the reason we cannot have a Muslim solution. I keep hitting the nail on Wahhabism and you guys either keep bringing up Sunni talks or trying to stay in denial.you are covering up for Wahhabis because they declare themselves Sunnis or Muslims and because Wahhabi Saudi is in custody of the holiest shrines of Islam, which wasn't through peaceful methods and consent of the Muslims but through bloodshed about a hundred or so years ago. When you want to make the West leave Muslims alone, you have to set your house in order. Wahhabism was created by the British empire to divide Muslims. Do you think Wahhabis will stand up to the West? Their politicians are western puppets in countries like Saudi and Qatar. Their militants are used by the West for dirty work in Syria and to further sectarian killings. And when these extremists turn their madness on non-Muslims, they hold Islam and Muslims responsible. A double edged sword for Muslims. Is it not Saudi that brought American military bases to the Arabian peninsula? Is that not the reason bin laden as notorious as he was got angry with the house of saud? So Wahhabism is a thorn in Islam anyway you want to look at it. It's a tool in the hands of the west. When you want the West to handsfree Muslim countries, will Wahhabism agree? What are those American bases for in the Arabian peninsula if not to protect their puppets ? So even if we agree to talk about western interference and hegemony, we'd still end up discussing Wahhabism and it's role of destruction for Islam and Muslims. The route you are talking is aimed at avoiding the unavoidable talk. It is shortsighted because you will still get to my point even if your suggestions are practicalized. Do you know that Saudi animosity to Iran is not because Iran is Shia as they like to talk in the media. When Iran was ruled by the shah, Iran and Saudi had excellent relations. The shah was an American puppet and Iran was known as the police of the Middle East. Americas police. When the Islamic Revolution took place and Iranian-American relations deteriorated, suddenly al saud became conscious Iran is Shia. There is still ground for saud and Iran to cooperate. But Saudis will not leave the west they are obedient to out of fear for their reign in power. The Americans can engineer anything in Saudi. So we are in deep $hit. And today if Iran accepts to go under western tutelage, Saudi will be forced to normalize ties with Iran. They will even invent excuses and reasons for Muslim coexistence and sectarian tolerance. It's all politics and sectarianism is a tool in all of this. I am not exonerating the western powers. I'm only saying our house is not in order and there is a cancer we are infected with. We must as Muslims understand the dangers of Wahhabism and how the west is capitalizing on it. 1 Like |
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by deesdee: 1:05pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
youngaz: In Islam we are not allowed to interpret a single verse. you have to read verses before than and after that to understand the point. |
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Nobody: 1:20pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
Seun: There has been a novel practice by a city in Denmark that seems to be working just fine for them. http://aleteia.org/2016/07/15/nice-attack-how-to-stop-radicalization-heres-one-possible-solution/ I think that in addition to this, the use of locally accessible, well-grounded and knowledgeable scholars to guide those among the youth who identify as Muslims in Islamic practice and thought, will also go a long way to prevent them from seeking knowledge from unsavoury characters on the internet. At the very least, such scholars will provide a more balanced view on issues like jihad, or relationship with unbelievers etc. I believe Saudi Arabia also has an ongoing de-radicalisation strategy that does work along these principles. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Presbulg(m): 1:21pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
marvelife: Salam Alaekum bro. I swear when you study Islam and not muslims( because people ain't perfect) you'll see the beauty of it. Ever wonder why upon all this bad news attributed to Islam because the people who committed them are muslims or have arabic names, there are still people who embrace Islam even without doing any evangelism about it. It's because during the search, they found the truth. Islam has nothing to hide. And I must say we muslims are not doing enough to show people how beautiful Islam is. Peace be unto you. |
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Annalise(f): 1:38pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
hahn: No bro, Islam is complete. No need to add and no need to subtract anything from it. @Seun and everyone, I am tempted to write an epistle but I'll make it brief cos I need to rush somewhere right now. Are there verses in the Quran that support violence? Moment of truth? Yes! What kind of violence? Self defense. The Quran was revealed over a period of decades and Muslims and non Muslims need to be careful not to take things out of context. Why? Because certain events have prompted these revelations at each of these periods of the prophetic era. There's what is called "tafsir" which is an explanation of the context of revelations. Case in point, When Jesus Christ said "who without sin should cast the first stone"? Was he exonerating all kinds of criminal activities in general? Of course he wasn't! But do people in this day and age take advantage of that verse? Yes. There are also various accounts of justifiably questionable occurrences in the bible that people are erroneously applying out of context in this day and age. There was a time scientists were burnt at a stage for witchcraft. If Seun was born in middle age Christianity, there would have been no nairaland. I won't dwell much on this. Moving on, what makes it easy for terrorists to rely on Islamic jurisdiction? There are a host of socioeconomic variables which are at play here, and I am willing to discuss, but in a nutshell, I will say ignorance. What are Muslims ready to do in support for world peace? Personally, I'll start by giving birth to the number of children I can easily handle and keep an eye on them. Simple! 80% of terrorists would not have been groomed if this simple logic was applied. BUT, as a group, there's really nothing we can do about it. Mosques are being bombed and some days ago, Syrian rebels beheaded a 10 year old Palestinian boy. At this point, we just wait it out and hope that we the present generation of Muslims learn from our mistakes and bring up a more enlightened, pure and uncorrupted generation. This generation of terrorists can never be changed. Never. It's skin deep and a foundational issue. 10 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Nobody: 1:49pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
Lagusta:but He never said Boko haram didnt bomb mosques too, you know what, you have done this research already, tell us your research. |
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by ademoladeji(m): 1:54pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
Yinkame123: Ameen n you too Wa Iyaki 1 Like |
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by neocortex: 1:58pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
"Peaceful Islamic religion" is a myth. But there are peaceful narratives of Islam. The blame lies with clerics and the government. Some cleric who wants to fulfil the prophecy of an utopian Islam-dominated world continue to preach violence as a means of achieving such. While governments who sees fundamentalist as an invincible fighting force(which they are) encourages radicalization to keep their enemies at bay as it is the case with pakistan. Terrorists activities will not stop until governments and Islamic clerics focuses more on preaching pacifism instead of hammering on "Infallibility of Islamic revelations" when we all know that anybody can interpret a text as it suits them. 1 Like |
Re: Seeking A Muslim Solution To Islamist Terrorism by Annalise(f): 2:10pm On Jul 22, 2016 |
http://www.loonwatch.com/2012/03/when-they-almost-killed-muhammad-the-persecution-of-islams-earliest-followers/ This link is quite lengthy but you'll learn a lot, not only about Early Islam but also have a picture of 7th century arab political dynamics. The Prophet and early Muslims endured over 10 years of extermination type of oppression, before he started considering defence. His offence was simply preaching. During this time, Christians and Muslims were allies as they constantly sought the protection of Muslims from the Jewish community. I can go on or you can ask more questions. 1 Like |
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